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Any good Enterprise books?

stovokor2000

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Report this Jul. 08 2009, 11:14 pm

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it was a pun. cannon fodder / canon fodder. well, it TRIED to be a pun. :D

Well.........as I explained in an other thread, written jokes sometimes go over my head.

The pitfalls of having Asperger's.

MOST jokes go over my head...I've been accused of Asperger's! or just too single-minded and sort of anti-social, I don't know where the line is drawn

Neither do I.....and truth be told I gave up looking for the "line" years ago.

scnj

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Report this Jul. 09 2009, 6:11 am

I've only ever bought one Enterprise book. It was called By The Book. Ugh.

whyaduck

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Report this Jul. 09 2009, 7:57 am

Give The Good that Men Do a try. Truthfully, I had never read a ST book before, had no desire to, and didn't expect much. I bought The Good that Men Do after reading positive comments by people like grigori. Plus, hating TATV, I really wanted to see another view of the whole situation.

honeybee1111

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Report this Jul. 09 2009, 10:05 am

I loved The Good That Men Do - and really appreciated the publisher's realization that Trip's death was a total cop out and a cheap shot. It's funny - I never had such a - no way, that did not happen - reaction to any episode of Trek until TATV. Thank goodness it was just a holodeck program and could have been erroneous.

And I figure if they wrote their way out of Spock's Death in Wrath of Khan via the mind meld - they can write their way out of Trip's Death using the wink. Doesn't bother me a bit.

grigori

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Report this Jul. 09 2009, 1:19 pm

Quote (stovokor2000 @ July 08 2009, 11:14 pm)
Quote (grigori @ July 08 2009, 10:28 pm)
Quote (stovokor2000 @ July 08 2009, 10:26 pm)
Quote (grigori @ July 08 2009, 8:05 pm)
it was a pun. cannon fodder / canon fodder. well, it TRIED to be a pun. :D

Well.........as I explained in an other thread, written jokes sometimes go over my head.

The pitfalls of having Asperger's.

MOST jokes go over my head...I've been accused of Asperger's! or just too single-minded and sort of anti-social, I don't know where the line is drawn

Neither do I.....and truth be told I gave up looking for the "line" years ago.

others can say they see the line, but we're better off not paying attention to it. 'cause I surprise myself sometimes.

besides, we have a well-developed talent for abstraction the rest of the world can only dream about. ( awkward metaphor? if they COULD dream about it they'd have the talent for...never mind! )

stovokor2000

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Report this Jul. 09 2009, 2:45 pm

Quote (grigori @ July 09 2009, 1:19 pm)
Quote (stovokor2000 @ July 08 2009, 11:14 pm)
Quote (grigori @ July 08 2009, 10:28 pm)
Quote (stovokor2000 @ July 08 2009, 10:26 pm)
Quote (grigori @ July 08 2009, 8:05 pm)
it was a pun. cannon fodder / canon fodder. well, it TRIED to be a pun. :D

Well.........as I explained in an other thread, written jokes sometimes go over my head.

The pitfalls of having Asperger's.

MOST jokes go over my head...I've been accused of Asperger's! or just too single-minded and sort of anti-social, I don't know where the line is drawn

Neither do I.....and truth be told I gave up looking for the "line" years ago.

others can say they see the line, but we're better off not paying attention to it. 'cause I surprise myself sometimes.

besides, we have a well-developed talent for abstraction the rest of the world can only dream about. ( awkward metaphor? if they COULD dream about it they'd have the talent for...never mind! )

You know it bud

grigori

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Report this Jul. 10 2009, 6:44 pm

HEY. has anyone read the ENT book Daedalus (two-parter) ? any good?
my niece just handed it to me & I'm deciding what to read next.

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Report this Jul. 16 2009, 12:24 am

Anyone else read the Mirror Universe book "Glass Empires?" I enjoyed it quite a bit (well 2/3 of it, the TNG story was kinda weak).

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Report this Jul. 16 2009, 3:15 pm

hi all this is deja vu for me being a dr who fan (i know sorry icany help it i'm a britt!)the fact is that reboots all ways cause problems in canon
as will extra novels but dont see abrams as changing things or argue about what is and is'nt canon how would we all feel if he had gutted startrek as russel t davies has done to who? the facts are programmes need popular appeal to be successful without it they die!
yes i loved enterprise and it appears so do other britts a recent poll over here placed ent as most popular followed by voyager,tng,and finally ds9 apparently they saw fit to omit tos but over here tos has not been seen on proper telly since the seventies!
buy the dvd box sets and just enjoy also having seen the new film dont you think its funny how the enterprise canon is untouched
in essence tng,ds9 and voy are the bits that have been disgarded and anyway why cant the new film be a totally different timeline which i have to say is in line with modern theory ie time travel in your own universe is not possible only jumping into another.
just dont polarise your views trek is great what ever format it takes just like who just be thankfull its not been totally ruined like who!
ALSO THE ROSETTA STONE IS THE BEST ENT BOOK NO PROBS WITH CANON
in the begining it states the events in this story occur after bound and before blah blah....it was after all an unfilmed episode!

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Report this Jul. 17 2009, 12:56 am

Quote (grigori @ July 09 2009, 7:44 pm)
HEY. has anyone read the ENT book Daedalus (two-parter) ? any good?
my niece just handed it to me & I'm deciding what to read next.

I've read it and I'm not sure how much I should divulge here :laugh: but suffice to say that, IMHO, it's quite good....

grigori

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Report this Jul. 17 2009, 7:26 am

Quote (Gryffindor7 @ July 17 2009, 12:56 am)
Quote (grigori @ July 09 2009, 7:44 pm)
HEY. has anyone read the ENT book Daedalus (two-parter) ? any good?
my niece just handed it to me & I'm deciding what to read next.

I've read it and I'm not sure how much I should divulge here :laugh: but suffice to say that, IMHO, it's quite good....

tx. I have to wrap up my nephew's copy of The Physics of Star Trek first -- kind of a quick read in spite of the title. It's worth the look anyway. Then on to Daedalus.

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Report this Jul. 17 2009, 7:52 am

I'm all for ENT being canon, but I also think writers should be able to retcon themselves out of big mistakes - and TATV was a big, fat mistake in that it killed off an important and interesting character. You can't have ENT adventures without Trip because he provides a certain perspective and chemistry and ENT stories without Trip would be like TNG stories without Data or TOS stories without Spock. Amazing, since Trip is a human character. The events of TATV really would have put the kibosh on lots of future stories - including their Romulan War arc.

So the writers of the books wriggled their way out of TATV while trying hard to respect what was seen on screen. But if you don't think books are canon - then no worries! Just ignore the books. I for one appreciate that the writers of the Romulan War books clearly hated TATV as much as I do.

I'm actually writing about Lewis & Clark right now - and its a great example of a highly well documented historical event with a murky ending to a main "character." Historians are divided over whether Sacagawea died young or whether she lived to an old age - and there is evidence to support both stories. History is only as good as the people who write it down - and the people who write it down are fallible. So I can go along with the idea that a holodeck program 200 years after the fact could be wrong about everything from dates to a death.

But stovokor2000, I do respect your perspective and there's no doubt the books have to twist pretty hard to undo the abomination of TATV.

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Report this Jul. 17 2009, 1:09 pm

Quote (honeybee1111 @ July 17 2009, 7:52 am)
I'm actually writing about Lewis & Clark right now - and its a great example of a highly well documented historical event with a murky ending to a main "character." Historians are divided over whether Sacagawea died young or whether she lived to an old age - and there is evidence to support both stories. History is only as good as the people who write it down - and the people who write it down are fallible. So I can go along with the idea that a holodeck program 200 years after the fact could be wrong about everything from dates to a death.

honeybee, you hit on my fascination for the Martin/Mangels technique of acknowledging there IS such a thing as received history and real history.

I can see your professional skills in your posts! I did my dissertation on the explosion in the Renaissance of new historiographies--various ways to approach the depiction of history, debunking the myth that the moral/church filter was the only TRUE approach. (Specifically Shakespeare's history plays and their acknowledgement that various historiographies had already begun to pop up.)

So your work AND your perspective interest me.

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Report this Jul. 17 2009, 5:34 pm

Oh, thank you griogori! I'm flattered - and its nice to see a fellow academic here (though I'm a professor of writing not history). It is fun to apply the ole skills to something as fun as trek...

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Report this Jul. 17 2009, 6:18 pm

Quote (honeybee1111 @ July 17 2009, 5:34 pm)
Oh, thank you griogori! I'm flattered - and its nice to see a fellow academic here (though I'm a professor of writing not history). It is fun to apply the ole skills to something as fun as trek...

I taught writing in college for 10 years--all kinds, creative, film & drama critique, academic, etc. But I'm not in academia now. Just local government.

I still write. But no longer for scholarly forums, just other stuff.

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