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Any good Enterprise books?

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Report this Jul. 04 2009, 9:40 am

Is Trip alive or dead in the books?

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Report this Jul. 04 2009, 9:47 am

Alive....but they don't directly contradict TATV - In "The Good That Men Do" his death was faked so he could go undercover as part of the lead up to the Romulan War. Most fans that I know were at least satisfied that the "let's kill trip - again" cop out of the finale had been undone.

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Report this Jul. 04 2009, 10:37 am

I just started reading that one, but I decided that as I have blocked TATV out of my mind, I should watch again before getting deeper into the book. :D

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Report this Jul. 04 2009, 11:45 am

I just watched TATV and the ending with the three Enterprises and the three captains brought tears to my eyes again.

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Report this Jul. 04 2009, 12:49 pm

"The Good That Men Do" excellent book and nicely fixes most if not all the issues in the last episode. I have not yet read Kobayashi Maru but it is the second book in that series.. think I'll go order it now..

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Report this Jul. 07 2009, 8:44 am

I'm in the middle of The Good that Men Do and I'm loving it. I did rewatch TATV so my memory of it would be clear when I read the stuff in the book that applies to it. Some very sad/emotional parts in the book. Knowing the characters so well from the show, I can picture them all in the scenes in the book. The book is very true to the characters.

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Report this Jul. 07 2009, 4:08 pm

Quote (honeybee1111 @ July 04 2009, 9:47 am)
Alive....but they don't directly contradict TATV - In "The Good That Men Do" his death was faked so he could go undercover as part of the lead up to the Romulan War. Most fans that I know were at least satisfied that the "let's kill trip - again" cop out of the finale had been undone.

How is it that if he's alive it doesnt contradict the show???

You said he death was faked as a lead up to the Romulan war????

The events of TATV take place in 2161.....one year after the Romulan war finished.

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Report this Jul. 07 2009, 4:13 pm

The book explains the discrepancies in the "history."

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Report this Jul. 07 2009, 4:24 pm

Quote (whyaduck @ July 07 2009, 4:13 pm)
The book explains the discrepancies in the "history."

If there's discrepancies in the "history" then it contradict canon.

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Report this Jul. 07 2009, 4:29 pm

I haven't finished the book yet, but it explains the differences in history as to what is shown in TATV in terms of Enterprise. Someone who has read the complete book can be more specific.

It's actually quite good.

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Report this Jul. 07 2009, 4:37 pm

Quote (whyaduck @ July 07 2009, 4:29 pm)
I haven't finished the book yet, but it explains the differences in history as to what is shown in TATV in terms of Enterprise. Someone who has read the complete book can be more specific.

It's actually quite good.

The book might be good, but if its as you say.......that Trips death was faked so he could go under cover as a lead to the Romulan war then the book contradict canon.

According to canon [Spocks dialog and a bio from "In a mirror Darkly"] the Romulan war ended before the Federatin charter was signed in 2160.

Trip died in 2161.

Any explanation changes canon by saying the previous info was wrong

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Report this Jul. 07 2009, 7:15 pm

Stovokor, I see your confusion, but it isn't the canon date of the Romulan War that's changed in the book: the date of Trip's death and the events surrounding that time were only depicted in the hologram-as-the-official-history as taking place in 2161. The book shows how they really took place five years earlier, not long after the events of Terra Prime, and in the murky lead-up to the Romulan War there were good reasons to blur history as much as possible, the better to fake Trip's death being one of them.

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Report this Jul. 07 2009, 7:40 pm

Quote (grigori @ July 07 2009, 7:15 pm)
Stovokor, I see your confusion, but it isn't the canon date of the Romulan War that's changed in the book: the date of Trip's death and the events surrounding that time were only depicted in the hologram-as-the-official-history as taking place in 2161. The book shows how they really took place five years earlier, not long after the events of Terra Prime, and in the murky lead-up to the Romulan War there were good reasons to blur history as much as possible, the better to fake Trip's death being one of them.

But even that contradicts the show.

Trip was killed do to events related to the rescue of Shran's daughter.

If those event took place 5 years earlier his daughter wouldnt have been born or that age yet.

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Report this Jul. 07 2009, 7:48 pm

Quote (stovokor2000 @ July 07 2009, 7:40 pm)
Quote (grigori @ July 07 2009, 7:15 pm)
Stovokor, I see your confusion, but it isn't the canon date of the Romulan War that's changed in the book: the date of Trip's death and the events surrounding that time were only depicted in the hologram-as-the-official-history as taking place in 2161. The book shows how they really took place five years earlier, not long after the events of Terra Prime, and in the murky lead-up to the Romulan War there were good reasons to blur history as much as possible, the better to fake Trip's death being one of them.

But even that contradicts the show.

Trip was killed do to events related to the rescue of Shran's daughter.

If those event took place 5 years earlier his daughter wouldnt have been born or that age yet.

Yes, it explains that too! it wasn't Shran's daughter, but rather Jhamel and other Andorians being kidnapped by Romulans for, what else? the same reason they'd used Jhamel's brother's telepathic abilities.
This was part of the obfuscation. Events that related to Trip's faked death also has to be moved about and altered to reinforce the subterfuge.

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Report this Jul. 07 2009, 7:53 pm

Quote (grigori @ July 07 2009, 7:48 pm)
Quote (stovokor2000 @ July 07 2009, 7:40 pm)
Quote (grigori @ July 07 2009, 7:15 pm)
Stovokor, I see your confusion, but it isn't the canon date of the Romulan War that's changed in the book: the date of Trip's death and the events surrounding that time were only depicted in the hologram-as-the-official-history as taking place in 2161. The book shows how they really took place five years earlier, not long after the events of Terra Prime, and in the murky lead-up to the Romulan War there were good reasons to blur history as much as possible, the better to fake Trip's death being one of them.

But even that contradicts the show.

Trip was killed do to events related to the rescue of Shran's daughter.

If those event took place 5 years earlier his daughter wouldnt have been born or that age yet.

Yes, it explains that too! it wasn't Shran's daughter, but rather Jhamel and other Andorians being kidnapped by Romulans for, what else? the same reason they'd used Jhamel's brother's telepathic abilities.
This was part of the obfuscation. Events that related to Trip's faked death also has to be moved about and altered to reinforce the subterfuge.

Sounds interesting but..............it changes to much of what was established in the show.

Not that I liked what they did with the final episode but IMO once it aired they cemented themselves into that story.

And this book also seem to fule the argument that the series was a hologram.

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