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new Kirk doesn't count

Camorite

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Report this Jul. 01 2009, 1:08 pm

Personally i don't think that the new kirk should be counted as far as being associated with the original Kirk for the following reasons:

1: the first kirk grew up with his father, and he was a major part of his life, the new kirk didn't.

2: Nero's appearence just before Kirks birth changed the timeline from that point on.

3: In this movie, Kirk was only 25 when he recieved command of the Enterprise, th real Kirk was 32 when he first took command.

those are just a few of the reasons that i am saying this.

tribblenator999

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Report this Jul. 01 2009, 4:08 pm

actually camorite new kirk is original kirk. whether you like it or not.

1. kirk's father inspired kirk to join starfleet, the new kirk still joined starfleet anyways it just took longer and some heart felt talking to do it.

2. that means original kirk no longer exists, it's new kirk.

3.  Kirk directly saved the federation/earth. Okay that's as big as what Kirk did in ST 1, ST IV.  So it's not surprising that kirk gets a big promotion and a command too. It would be like me in the secret service, I save the presidents life, I'd definitely get a promotion.

4. Also Kirk commanded the enterprise at 31.  it's only a 6 year difference.

tribblenator999

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Report this Jul. 01 2009, 4:20 pm

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actually camorite new kirk is original kirk. whether you like it or not.

1. kirk's father inspired kirk to join starfleet, the new kirk still joined starfleet anyways it just took longer and some heart felt talking to do it.

2. that means original kirk no longer exists, it's new kirk.

3. ?Kirk directly saved the federation/earth. Okay that's as big as what Kirk did in ST 1, ST IV. ?So it's not surprising that kirk gets a big promotion and a command too. It would be like me in the secret service, I save the presidents life, I'd definitely get a promotion.

4. Also Kirk commanded the enterprise at 31. ?it's only a 6 year difference.

Sorry, tribble, they are different people living in different timelines.

They are as much the same person as Kirk Prime and Mirror Kirk were the saem person.

The original Kirk still exists in the original timeline.

:logical:

but the timeline nero changed is the one in the prime universe. Therefore the prime timeline is no more in the prime universe. This is what I think.  It makes sense too because old spock in the movie is from the prime timeline.

alexmcpherson

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Report this Jul. 01 2009, 4:34 pm

Actually you're wrong.

At each decision point, for instance, a yes/no or left/right (etc) d.p, the timeline splits into two timelines (or more), exploring what happens for yes or left in one, and no or right in the other.

Therefore, when Nero went back in time, it created a whole continuum of new timelines...

The timeline shown in the film, a timeline where Nero was talked-down, a timeline where Daddy Kirk made it off of the Kelvin, because the captain of the Kelvin wasn't asked to board Nero's ship...
a timeline where Nu-Spock wasn't such a dick to Kirk because Kirk altered his hallowed simulation program.
A timeline where Uhura learned/saw this and gave Nu-Spock the heave-ho-over-you-go, instead of Nu-Spock giving Kirk the heave-ho-over-you-go onto Delta Vega.

tribblenator999

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Report this Jul. 01 2009, 4:58 pm

Quote (alexmcpherson @ July 01 2009, 4:34 pm)
Actually you're wrong.

At each decision point, for instance, a yes/no or left/right (etc) d.p, the timeline splits into two timelines (or more), exploring what happens for yes or left in one, and no or right in the other.

Therefore, when Nero went back in time, it created a whole continuum of new timelines...

The timeline shown in the film, a timeline where Nero was talked-down, a timeline where Daddy Kirk made it off of the Kelvin, because the captain of the Kelvin wasn't asked to board Nero's ship...
a timeline where Nu-Spock wasn't such a dick to Kirk because Kirk altered his hallowed simulation program.
A timeline where Uhura learned/saw this and gave Nu-Spock the heave-ho-over-you-go, instead of Nu-Spock giving Kirk the heave-ho-over-you-go onto Delta Vega.

okay well it's the way I like to think of it, but that's fine if you think of it like this too.  I mean infinte parallel universes also = infinite number of timelines. I just like to keep it simple.  I just hope the new kirk gets to shine like he did in the TOS timeline.

alexmcpherson

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Report this Jul. 01 2009, 5:02 pm

#### plot bunny...

Nu-Spock, kicked off the ship by his now ex-girlfriend, Uhura, meets a strange Vulcan ...

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Report this Jul. 01 2009, 10:04 pm

Don't really matter, Kirk is still confirmed to be the youngest captain of a starship throughout Starfleet history, or at the very least during the history of the Enterprise.

tribblenator999

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Report this Jul. 02 2009, 3:05 am

camorite I think you hate the new kirk.

Ghost_Face_Saint

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Report this Jul. 02 2009, 11:02 am

Both Kirk's are legit, even if a handful of people didn't like the new Kirk he is still a Captain!

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Report this Jul. 02 2009, 11:22 am

Quote (starbase63 @ July 02 2009, 7:19 am)
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actually camorite new kirk is original kirk. whether you like it or not.

1. kirk's father inspired kirk to join starfleet, the new kirk still joined starfleet anyways it just took longer and some heart felt talking to do it.

2. that means original kirk no longer exists, it's new kirk.

3. ?Kirk directly saved the federation/earth. Okay that's as big as what Kirk did in ST 1, ST IV. ?So it's not surprising that kirk gets a big promotion and a command too. It would be like me in the secret service, I save the presidents life, I'd definitely get a promotion.

4. Also Kirk commanded the enterprise at 31. ?it's only a 6 year difference.

Sorry, tribble, they are different people living in different timelines.

They are as much the same person as Kirk Prime and Mirror Kirk were the saem person.

The original Kirk still exists in the original timeline.

:logical:

but the timeline nero changed is the one in the prime universe. Therefore the prime timeline is no more in the prime universe. This is what I think. ?It makes sense too because old spock in the movie is from the prime timeline.

No, tribble, sorry.

It's in the movie, and the writers said so: a new timeline was split off from the original in 2233 and started going forward.

The original timeline still exists (Star Trek owned by CBS). The new timeline co-exists (movies made by Paramount).

It's canon.

:logical:

SB63 is correct on this matter.  :logical:

tribblenator999

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Report this Jul. 02 2009, 2:01 pm

Quote (starbase63 @ July 02 2009, 10:19 am)
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actually camorite new kirk is original kirk. whether you like it or not.

1. kirk's father inspired kirk to join starfleet, the new kirk still joined starfleet anyways it just took longer and some heart felt talking to do it.

2. that means original kirk no longer exists, it's new kirk.

3. ?Kirk directly saved the federation/earth. Okay that's as big as what Kirk did in ST 1, ST IV. ?So it's not surprising that kirk gets a big promotion and a command too. It would be like me in the secret service, I save the presidents life, I'd definitely get a promotion.

4. Also Kirk commanded the enterprise at 31. ?it's only a 6 year difference.

Sorry, tribble, they are different people living in different timelines.

They are as much the same person as Kirk Prime and Mirror Kirk were the saem person.

The original Kirk still exists in the original timeline.

:logical:

but the timeline nero changed is the one in the prime universe. Therefore the prime timeline is no more in the prime universe. This is what I think. ?It makes sense too because old spock in the movie is from the prime timeline.

No, tribble, sorry.

It's in the movie, and the writers said so: a new timeline was split off from the original in 2233 and started going forward.

The original timeline still exists (Star Trek owned by CBS). The new timeline co-exists (movies made by Paramount).

It's canon.

:logical:

okay fine there are 2 parallel timelines. How about a crossover.

tribblenator999

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Report this Jul. 02 2009, 2:02 pm

Quote (starbase63 @ July 02 2009, 10:21 am)
Quote (tribblenator999 @ July 01 2009, 4:58 pm)
Quote (alexmcpherson @ July 01 2009, 4:34 pm)
Actually you're wrong.

At each decision point, for instance, a yes/no or left/right (etc) d.p, the timeline splits into two timelines (or more), exploring what happens for yes or left in one, and no or right in the other.

Therefore, when Nero went back in time, it created a whole continuum of new timelines...

The timeline shown in the film, a timeline where Nero was talked-down, a timeline where Daddy Kirk made it off of the Kelvin, because the captain of the Kelvin wasn't asked to board Nero's ship...
a timeline where Nu-Spock wasn't such a dick to Kirk because Kirk altered his hallowed simulation program.
A timeline where Uhura learned/saw this and gave Nu-Spock the heave-ho-over-you-go, instead of Nu-Spock giving Kirk the heave-ho-over-you-go onto Delta Vega.

okay well it's the way I like to think of it, but that's fine if you think of it like this too. ?I mean infinte parallel universes also = infinite number of timelines. I just like to keep it simple. ?I just hope the new kirk gets to shine like he did in the TOS timeline.

It is VERY simple. It's two separate timelines.

The original one exists into the 24th century and beyond...

The new one only exists as far as the end of the movie.

:logical:

I just hope new kirk doesn't die by falling off a bridge in the year 2293. :D

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Report this Jul. 02 2009, 2:55 pm

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actually camorite new kirk is original kirk. whether you like it or not.

1. kirk's father inspired kirk to join starfleet, the new kirk still joined starfleet anyways it just took longer and some heart felt talking to do it.

2. that means original kirk no longer exists, it's new kirk.

3. ?Kirk directly saved the federation/earth. Okay that's as big as what Kirk did in ST 1, ST IV. ?So it's not surprising that kirk gets a big promotion and a command too. It would be like me in the secret service, I save the presidents life, I'd definitely get a promotion.

4. Also Kirk commanded the enterprise at 31. ?it's only a 6 year difference.

Sorry, tribble, they are different people living in different timelines.

They are as much the same person as Kirk Prime and Mirror Kirk were the saem person.

The original Kirk still exists in the original timeline.

:logical:

but the timeline nero changed is the one in the prime universe. Therefore the prime timeline is no more in the prime universe. This is what I think. ?It makes sense too because old spock in the movie is from the prime timeline.

No, tribble, sorry.

It's in the movie, and the writers said so: a new timeline was split off from the original in 2233 and started going forward.

The original timeline still exists (Star Trek owned by CBS). The new timeline co-exists (movies made by Paramount).

It's canon.

:logical:

okay fine there are 2 parallel timelines. How about a crossover.

Not likely.

Again, there are two separate companies involved in making Star Trek now.

:logical:

let's do a fan fic of a cross over.  I'd love to see the 2 kirks stare at each other.

Mirrorgirl

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Report this Jul. 02 2009, 11:16 pm

Quote (starbase63 @ July 03 2009, 5:46 am)
NuKirk would wither in the presence of Kirk Prime's awesomeness...

:p

:logical:

This much is true

Joenigma

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Report this Jul. 03 2009, 10:21 am

Actually the person saying that the movie's new timeline is now considered the cannon/ real one is correct.

Nero's time travel changed the timeline forever. The Universe we know, from TOS-Nemesis no longer exists. That timeline ended with Nero and it was shown that it ended with SpockPrime remembering what was said next on the new Enterprise's bridge.

Future Janeway went back in time to bring Voyager home way sooner, her universe ended with her. When the Enterprise C came to the future, the history we knew was gone and a new one with a Klingon/Federation war was the prime one.

The fact of the matter is, the new Star Trek movie, has created the new cannon. Everything we are familiar with is now of an Alternate reality.

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