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"Year of Hell", Part I and Part II

willowtree

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Report this Mar. 28 2011, 5:54 am

You're talking about Before and After correct?


well, that never really happened. In that episode Kes started jumping backwards becuse she was infected with radiation from the unexploded torpedo. But Kes left before that happned, so she was never infected with the radiation that cause her backwasrds jumps. So she never knew about the Krenim, and never warned voyager about them.

Matthias Russell

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Report this Mar. 28 2011, 6:56 am

That doesn't change my point that it wasn't a great episode because it never happened, the happenings had no after effect. It was a shame to give the crew a traumatizing, life changing experience and for it to not ever have occurred. It is too bad the Equinox crew was never able to reset their traumatic times.

willowtree

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Report this Mar. 28 2011, 9:36 am

I don't think that the equinox crew DESERVED to have their traumatic times erased. They tortured hundreds of innocent beings, they should live with that

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Report this Mar. 28 2011, 10:15 am

My point is, the best survival situation Voyager got into was erased. It was a true stranded and alone episode and they never experienced it. They could have used the humbling experience, it no doubt would have added character and led to some good episodes like tng's "family" and ent's "home".

willowtree

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Report this Mar. 28 2011, 10:36 am

that might be true


But they had similar survival situations before...none of them spanned a whole year of course but Deadlock for one. Voyager was beat to hell, almost destroyed, they were ready to abandon ship.

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Report this Mar. 28 2011, 10:40 am

Year of Hell gets my vote as the best Star Trek ever. I love episodes revolving around reality/time being altered.

ScienceAlive

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Report this Mar. 28 2011, 2:16 pm

I hated Year In Hell. I did not enjoy seeing the ship torn to pieces and watching her crew splinter and break. Terrible terrible. The premise was a good one though I would have rather seen it happen to say....Kirk and that crew. That would have been hilarious!


Matthias Russell

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Report this Mar. 29 2011, 5:38 am

The nx-01 took just as bad of a beating as voyager did in the xindi season, fortunately the producers learned a lesson and didn't have the events and terrorist attack erased. If you remember, in Stormfront the nx was still looking beat to hell from the end of season 3.

willowtree

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Report this Mar. 29 2011, 6:46 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Mar. 29 2011, 5:38 am

>The nx-01 took just as bad of a beating as voyager did in the xindi season, fortunately the producers learned a lesson and didn't have the events and terrorist attack erased. If you remember, in Stormfront the nx was still looking beat to hell from the end of season 3.


In my mind, this is because Voyager had better technology so it was easier and quicker to make their repairs LOL

VORTEX8472

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Report this Mar. 29 2011, 6:55 am


Look at it this way; if someone were to change the course of history, do you think we would have any memories of those changes?   Star Trek was quite consistent with the idea that tampering with the timeline(s) would usually mean that only the perpetrators of those historical changes would recall anything of the old/previous timeline.  In the Year of Hell, that temporal ship was annihilating civilizations from time, the premise was that the annihilation of the temporal ship itself would cancel out any changes made by its crew; thus the Voyager crew remembers nothing as Captain Janeway ordered the temporal shields be deactivated prior to the temporal ship being destroyed.    


In TNG, like it has been mentioned in “Yesterday’s Enterprise” only Guinan retained any sense/intuition of the changes in the timeline, the rest of the crew was absolutely oblivious.


In DS9, I think it was in season 4 “ascension”, were a Bajoran poet aboard an 200/300 year old light ship suddenly appears through the wormhole, he contends that he is the Emissary and Sisko backs down until the poet instigates the reinstatement of several backwards traditions and superstitions.  Sisko and the Bajoran poet go into the wormhole and the Prophets return the poet to his original time, however they somehow make it so that everybody remembers an incomplete poem written by the poet, only now he went back and finished it.


Needless to say there have been many instances when a crew has tampered with the timeline, in some cases only that crew remembers the changes, in others no one.   


 

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Report this Mar. 29 2011, 12:06 pm

And I always hate stories that end with no memory or known ramifications for the episode. That is why I hate most time travel episodes. YoH was Voyager at its best. It hurt itself by not exploring effects of a traumatic year. They missed an opportunity to give the characters much needed development as they recover and cope.

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