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"Year of Hell", Part I and Part II

Ghost_Face_Saint

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Report this Jun. 29 2009, 11:16 pm

Star Trek Voyager execution by Rick Berman was disappointing because they didn't keep to the initial idea of being absolutely on their own, having to make trades, do work, make money to buy essential equipment to make repairs and keep the Starship Voyager in operational shape.

The "Year of Hell" episodes were exactly how Voyager should have been done but wasn't.

For anyone who doesn't remember the episodes here are the Star Trek Memory Alpha summaries: Year of Hell (episode) - Memory Alpha , Year of Hell, Part II (episode) - Memory Alpha .

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Report this Jun. 29 2009, 11:34 pm

Year of hell was a good episode.  Though, it could have been stretched out to maybe a few more episodes, maybe a half a season, which would have been even better.   The one complaint I have of the episode though is the big ole reset button at the end.  Not a single person on the ship remembers anything about it......

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Report this Jun. 30 2009, 2:08 am

Quote (Yruc @ June 30 2009, 11:34 am)
Year of hell was a good episode. ¿Though, it could have been stretched out to maybe a few more episodes, maybe a half a season, which would have been even better. ¿ The one complaint I have of the episode though is the big ole reset button at the end. ¿Not a single person on the ship remembers anything about it......

Just like in TNG's "Yesterday's Enterprise". Only Guinan sensed something was "not right". If they had an El-Aurian on board, he/she would probably sense something too.

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Report this Jun. 30 2009, 2:20 am

Quote (Ghost_Face_Saint @ June 29 2009, 11:16 pm)
Star Trek Voyager execution by Rick Berman was disappointing because they didn't keep to the initial idea of being absolutely on their own, having to make trades, do work, make money to buy essential equipment to make repairs and keep the Starship Voyager in operational shape.

The "Year of Hell" episodes were exactly how Voyager should have been done but wasn't.

For anyone who doesn't remember the episodes here are the Star Trek Memory Alpha summaries: Year of Hell (episode) - Memory Alpha , Year of Hell, Part II (episode) - Memory Alpha .

What do you want, like a Battlestar Galactica Trek?

TransphasicTorpedoes

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Report this Jun. 30 2009, 3:07 am

Voyager is great. You can't knock it. It's even better than "Gone With The Wind". Far better, in fact.

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Report this Jun. 30 2009, 5:23 am

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Quote (Ghost_Face_Saint @ June 29 2009, 11:16 pm)
Star Trek Voyager execution by Rick Berman was disappointing because they didn't keep to the initial idea of being absolutely on their own, having to make trades, do work, make money to buy essential equipment to make repairs and keep the Starship Voyager in operational shape.

The "Year of Hell" episodes were exactly how Voyager should have been done but wasn't.

For anyone who doesn't remember the episodes here are the Star Trek Memory Alpha summaries: Year of Hell (episode) - Memory Alpha , Year of Hell, Part II (episode) - Memory Alpha .

What do you want, like a Battlestar Galactica Trek?

Look, the show was already Lost in Space meets Star Trek.

So yeah, taking concepts from the original BSG would probably have helped make VOY a better show.

And just look at how Ron Moore's reimagined BSG turned out.

AGrey

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Report this Jun. 30 2009, 1:58 pm

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Star Trek Voyager execution by Rick Berman was disappointing because they didn't keep to the initial idea of being absolutely on their own, having to make trades, do work, make money to buy essential equipment to make repairs and keep the Starship Voyager in operational shape.

The "Year of Hell" episodes were exactly how Voyager should have been done but wasn't.

For anyone who doesn't remember the episodes here are the Star Trek Memory Alpha summaries: Year of Hell (episode) - Memory Alpha , Year of Hell, Part II (episode) - Memory Alpha .

What do you want, like a Battlestar Galactica Trek?

Look, the show was already Lost in Space meets Star Trek.

So yeah, taking concepts from the original BSG would probably have helped make VOY a better show.

And just look at how Ron Moore's reimagined BSG turned out.

I just wish that Moore knew the secret of BSG when he was working on Voyager.


BSG is everything Voyager could have been (once you remove the religious elements that were already well covered in the ST universe by DS9)

exodus201

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Report this Jun. 30 2009, 5:21 pm

Quote (Ghost_Face_Saint @ June 29 2009, 11:16 pm)
Star Trek Voyager execution by Rick Berman was disappointing because they didn't keep to the initial idea of being absolutely on their own, having to make trades, do work, make money to buy essential equipment to make repairs and keep the Starship Voyager in operational shape.

The "Year of Hell" episodes were exactly how Voyager should have been done but wasn't.

For anyone who doesn't remember the episodes here are the Star Trek Memory Alpha summaries: Year of Hell (episode) - Memory Alpha , Year of Hell, Part II (episode) - Memory Alpha .

I know many wanted this idea but it's not logically sound even from a sci-fi POV.  

Voygager's structural integrity was gone.  Which means the ships body frame was no good.  No vehicle is considered safe after that.  Plus with no replicators or warp power, Voyager was beyond repair.

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Report this Jun. 30 2009, 5:38 pm

Quote (AGrey @ June 30 2009, 4:58 pm)
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Star Trek Voyager execution by Rick Berman was disappointing because they didn't keep to the initial idea of being absolutely on their own, having to make trades, do work, make money to buy essential equipment to make repairs and keep the Starship Voyager in operational shape.

The "Year of Hell" episodes were exactly how Voyager should have been done but wasn't.

For anyone who doesn't remember the episodes here are the Star Trek Memory Alpha summaries: Year of Hell (episode) - Memory Alpha , Year of Hell, Part II (episode) - Memory Alpha .

What do you want, like a Battlestar Galactica Trek?

Look, the show was already Lost in Space meets Star Trek.

So yeah, taking concepts from the original BSG would probably have helped make VOY a better show.

And just look at how Ron Moore's reimagined BSG turned out.

I just wish that Moore knew the secret of BSG when he was working on Voyager.


BSG is everything Voyager could have been (once you remove the religious elements that were already well covered in the ST universe by DS9)

Moore only wrote one episode of VOY, then left because of the "just reset it and forget it" mentality of the producing/writing staff. (He'd gotten used to the serialized/"consequences matter" way of doing things on DS9.)

Anyway, I think he proposed much of the concepts he eventually took to BSG. But was rebuffed by his good bud Braga.

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Report this Jun. 30 2009, 7:31 pm

Quote (Ghost_Face_Saint @ June 29 2009, 11:16 pm)
Star Trek Voyager execution by Rick Berman was disappointing because they didn't keep to the initial idea of being absolutely on their own, having to make trades, do work, make money to buy essential equipment to make repairs and keep the Starship Voyager in operational shape.

The "Year of Hell" episodes were exactly how Voyager should have been done but wasn't.

For anyone who doesn't remember the episodes here are the Star Trek Memory Alpha summaries: Year of Hell (episode) - Memory Alpha , Year of Hell, Part II (episode) - Memory Alpha .

Unfortantly you don't understand that the Voyager series wasn't a minute by minute account.

Trades and activities happend between each ep.

Doing the entire series in Year of Hell format is pointless.

Joenigma

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Report this Jul. 01 2009, 5:36 pm

I don't think the year of hell was supposed to be exactly how Voyager was supposed to be, however was supposed to have aspects similar to it.

What Voyager should have been was how Enterprise first year or so to be. They could have had small arcs of Voyager facing an enemy with powerful weapons like in YoH where their torpedoes goes through Voyager's shields. They could have shown Engineering crews working on repairing a hull breach or something similar.

Bottom line, there could have been more dark episodes then light. Now I'm not saying the ship should have looked like how it was in the Year of Hell, but it would have been interesting if Janeway evacuated the ship except for a few officers, they managed to find a friendly alien who helps with Voyager's repairs and an arc of finding Voyager's escape pods/ crew.

AGrey

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Report this Jul. 01 2009, 8:46 pm

Quote (Joenigma @ July 01 2009, 5:36 pm)
I don't think the year of hell was supposed to be exactly how Voyager was supposed to be, however was supposed to have aspects similar to it.

What Voyager should have been was how Enterprise first year or so to be. They could have had small arcs of Voyager facing an enemy with powerful weapons like in YoH where their torpedoes goes through Voyager's shields. They could have shown Engineering crews working on repairing a hull breach or something similar.

Bottom line, there could have been more dark episodes then light. Now I'm not saying the ship should have looked like how it was in the Year of Hell, but it would have been interesting if Janeway evacuated the ship except for a few officers, they managed to find a friendly alien who helps with Voyager's repairs and an arc of finding Voyager's escape pods/ crew.

absolutely, yes.

the last 6 episodes of season 4 line out the year of hell, and the first few episodes of season 5 are them tracking down and locating all the wayward crew members they sent out with the shuttles/escape pods.  each, of course, with their own story to tell.

exodus201

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Report this Jul. 01 2009, 8:56 pm

How boring.


If Enterprise had any good ideas worth using, it wouldn't have been cancelled............twice.

Joenigma

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Report this Jul. 01 2009, 9:23 pm

Quote (exodus201 @ July 01 2009, 8:56 pm)
How boring.


If Enterprise had any good ideas worth using, it wouldn't have been cancelled............twice.

Enterprise was canceled because people weren't interested in prequels.

Not to mention the continuity errors and such that got on one's nerves.

I was mainly talking about Story arcs. Instead of two episode arcs, it would be nice for them to have a story arc for Voyager. And had showed different things...

That being said, Voyager has shown more things then other trek shows.

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Report this Jul. 01 2009, 11:08 pm

Voyager needed episode to episode continuity period.  The problems with voyager is the people in charge figured us trek fans would lap up any garbage they fed to us and it didn't work.

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