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Chain of command?

Khoufu_Khorushu

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Report this Jun. 29 2009, 11:07 pm

I know anyone with rank Commander is higher than Lt. Commander, etc., but, who is second officer of the Enterprise-D? My dad says it's Data, but he's only lieutenant commander, and there are 2 or 3 other 'commanders' on board, including Crusher, and later, Troi. There aren't any other high-ranking red-shirts, but Data has a gold shirt. So, who is second officer on the Enterprise-D?

quantumstring12

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Report this Jun. 30 2009, 1:09 am

I'd have to go with Data. Whenever Picard and Riker leave the bridge, Data is left in command.

thereR4lights

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Report this Jun. 30 2009, 2:44 am

the red shirts are command...
gold controll
data was third in command but still controlled ops.. so he wore gold

spacemonster

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Report this Jun. 30 2009, 3:05 am

Rank does not in any way signify position, it is merely a pay grade. In this case, the chain of command onboard the vessel is clearly spelled out with Picard, Riker, Data, and Worf in successive progression. Therefore, even though Worf was only a lowly lieutenant, he was 4th in command of the vessel.

thereR4lights

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Report this Jun. 30 2009, 3:29 am

i thought bev was 4th... i nevr saw work command bridge

i could be wrong though
i know after generations he became 4th... when he got promoted.. is that what you mean?

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Report this Jun. 30 2009, 9:59 am

Quote (thereR4lights @ June 29 2009, 4:29 am)
i thought bev was 4th... i nevr saw work command bridge

i could be wrong though
i know after generations he became 4th... when he got promoted.. is that what you mean?

No, Worf was 4th in command ever since his permanent posting to chief of security in season 2. As I stated once and I'll say it again, rank has nothing to do with position. Rank is just a pay grade, that's all it is. One can be a commander yet be only an assistant to an admiral, for example, so they're in charge of very few people (support staff, perhaps). While a lowly lieutenant can be charge of many, many people.

In your case you are wrong -- Bev is a medical doctor who is not in the chain of command of the ship. She has supreme authority in the medical division only and duties that come with it, which includes commanding all the personnel in medical. She has no authority in giving orders to anyone outside her division unless tied to her normal duties, such as relieving an officer for medical unfitness.

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Report this Jun. 30 2009, 11:04 am

Data was definitely and always in command after Riker.  Wondered where Troi fell in after she took the bridge officer's test.  

As far as Bev, if it were a real emergency, shouldn't she really be in sick bay?  I believe she wouldn't abandon her post, unlike certain... abstracted caricatures in a certain director's... interpretation.      

The only reason we saw Bev take command of the D in "Descent, I & II" was because she was the only main character left on the ship.   And we'd all prefer to see the use of a main character as opposed to some random crewman take command.

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Report this Jun. 30 2009, 11:38 am

Dr Crusher is CMO, which is different to Bridge crew, however she is Bridge trained and does occasionally command the night shift, to keep her hand in, she is easily capable of taking command, I would guess she is 5th or 6th, the same for Troi she would be in the command chain but futher down, maybe after a few department heads or something.

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Report this Jul. 02 2009, 11:19 pm

Quote (Khoufu_Khorushu @ June 29 2009, 11:07 pm)
I know anyone with rank Commander is higher than Lt. Commander, etc., but, who is second officer of the Enterprise-D? My dad says it's Data, but he's only lieutenant commander, and there are 2 or 3 other 'commanders' on board, including Crusher, and later, Troi. There aren't any other high-ranking red-shirts, but Data has a gold shirt. So, who is second officer on the Enterprise-D?

Your father is right this time.

As for the full chain of command I always felt it was.

Picard
Riker
Data
Geordie
Worf

With Bev and troi being full bridge officers but not carring a position in the chain of command.....but could pull rank if the chose.

thereR4lights

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Report this Jul. 02 2009, 11:47 pm

bev had the bridge on some nite shifts well before descent

she was a bridge officer

stovokor2000

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Report this Jul. 03 2009, 12:34 am

Quote (thereR4lights @ July 02 2009, 11:47 pm)
bev had the bridge on some nite shifts well before descent

she was a bridge officer

Exactly.

She had the rank but she wasnt part of the ships command structure.

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Report this Jul. 03 2009, 9:51 am

Quote (Khoufu_Khorushu @ June 29 2009, 11:07 pm)
I know anyone with rank Commander is higher than Lt. Commander, etc., but, who is second officer of the Enterprise-D? My dad says it's Data, but he's only lieutenant commander, and there are 2 or 3 other 'commanders' on board, including Crusher, and later, Troi. There aren't any other high-ranking red-shirts, but Data has a gold shirt. So, who is second officer on the Enterprise-D?

Data.

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The chain of command was a ranking system used by militaries and other organized groups. It represented the line of authority down which orders are passed from one officer to another, and also the line down which passed command of a particular vessel or installation.

Aboard a starship, or most starbases the chain of command began with the assigned commanding officer, usually an officer of the rank of captain, or in some cases commander. If the commanding officer, for any reason, was unavailable to command his or her post then those responsibilities passed down the "chain" to the first officer, then the second officer, etc.

Between the launch of the Enterprise (NX-01) and the late 23rd century, the position of first officer, or executive officer (abbreviated as XO) was filled by the highest ranking officer assigned to the ship aside from the captain. The position was not a separate assignment as it would later become. The designated first officer would perform their normal duties until it became necessary for them to take command.

This had changed by the late 24th century, when the XO's position had become a completely separate position in a starship's crew held by an officer of commander or lieutenant commander rank grade who held no other position aboard the vessel.

After the executive officer, command responsibilities passed down the chain from officer to officer as necessary in accordance with each officer's rank. And it was common practice for a commanding officer to designate a second officer to take command if both the captain and first officer were unavailable or unable to perform their duties.

Aboard the USS Enterprise-D, Lt. Commander Data served as second officer.

This aspect of the command chain functioned similarly aboard a starbase, or space station, as well as in a planetary installation.

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Report this Jul. 03 2009, 12:23 pm

At the end of season seven- Picard
                                      Riker
                                      DATA
                                      Troi
Next in line would depend on circumstances and who was available at the time. eg in an emergency we'd expect Crusher to be in sick bay, and Geordie to be in engineering, making Worf the next choice, but it could also come down to who the Captain left in charge, eg Riker or Data could return to the bridge and releive any other crew member but it's unlikely that Crusher or Geordie would releive Worf.

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Report this Jul. 03 2009, 1:33 pm

I dunno, I think that LaForge is the same rank as Data, and he's chief engineer, so it could go either way.

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Report this Jul. 03 2009, 1:35 pm

Quote (WedgeBob @ July 02 2009, 6:33 pm)
I dunno, I think that LaForge is the same rank as Data, and he's chief engineer, so it could go either way.

Next time i'll read my own post lol.

I'd put it down to a tactical decision rather than rank, and it would depend on the situation at the time.

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