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Revisiting The Original Series

MrsStarbuck

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Report this Jun. 29 2009, 9:16 am

As I've mentioned in other posts, I've recently started re-watching The Original Series, after a break of about *cough* twenty six or seven *cough* years.

Being the geek that I am, I like to comment on and rate things as I watch them, so I thought I'd share some of my thoughts here if I can...kind of like a flow of consciousness through the series.

Please feel free to comment, agree, disagree or ignore my random babblings as you see fit...

(Also, I've tried to watch the episodes in what I believe was transmission order (the order on the DVD?) but I have skipped around a little bit if there was an episode I particuarly wanted to watch - like Space Seed or City on the Edge of Forever)

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Report this Jun. 29 2009, 9:23 am

The Man Trap - 7/10

A strange choice for a pilot episode, as it doesn't really give any introductions and just throws you right into the action (although I realise it wasn't meant to be the pilot originally). But a fairly good episode, nice to see McCoy in the middle of the action. But is it wrong that I found the creature at the end really cute? ha ha.

Charlie X - 6/10

What a hilarious episode. Kirk gives Charlie a 'woman talk', Charlie swats Rand on the ass. When I re-watched this one I remembered just what a joy Trek can be.

Where No Man Has Gone Before - 6/10

It was interesting to see an earlier concept for Spock but I found it too distracting to fully enjoy the episode. Not sure why, because he wasn't that different, but still. It was an interesting story though, and the 'psychic eyes' were quite spooky looking. I don't know if that was the original effect or if it's been improved with the remastering.

The Naked Time - 6/10

Kirk and Spock get drunk! Classic! I don't think I need to say much more on this episode apart from "I'll take you home again Kathleen¿"

The Enemy Within - 7/10

I found this story quite gripping. A nice performance from Mr Shatner, completely OTT (especially as the 'evil' Kirk) but that's why he rocks. On a side note, if anyone has seen the film (or even better read the book) The Prestige, certain points of this episode reminded me a lot of that (someone goes through a 'transporter' and ends up creating two versions of himself). It made me wonder if Christopher Priest is a Trek fan?

Mudd's Women - 6/10

A silly but fun episode, not much else to say really.

What Are Little Girls Made Of? - currently 4/10

I really couldn't get into this episode, not sure why. I have to admit I kind of lost concentration about halfway through. I really need to watch it again properly.

Miri - 5/10

My over-riding thought while watching this was 'they wouldn't get away with making an episode like this these days'. While I'm sure it was all innocent at the time, I'll admit that I found some of the scenes between Miri and Kirk a little bit uncomfortable. The story was a nice idea though, although some of the dialogue was pretty cringeworthy "I always tried to get you to look at my legs". What? Nice to see Dill from To Kill a Mockingbird in Trek though.

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Report this Jun. 29 2009, 9:35 am

Dagger of the Mind - 7/10

I felt a real shift in storyline quality with this episode. Up until this point they'd all been fun, but fairly superficial, but this was the first episode where I was really gripped. The scene where Spock does the mind meld was cool, and the neural neutralizing concept was fairly creepy.

The Corbomite Maneuver - 8/10

It was nice to see an episode actually set 'in space' as opposed to always down on a planet, and although the cube looked pretty silly, I enjoyed seeing Kirk's tactics. Really enjoyed this one.

The Menagerie - 9/10

This has been my favourite episode so far, fantastic story, really gripping, I felt completely nervous for Spock throughout, because I couldn't imagine what would have made him disobey command in that way. Considering my only previous memory of Captain Pike was Bruce Greenwood in the new film, it felt quite tragic seeing him so disabled. The Talosians looked a bit silly, although I'm sure they were freaky back in the day, and I'm still not sure why the Federation would take such a drastic step as to charge the death penalty for visiting the planet. I mean, surely other planets have done far worse things to Starfleet personnel. But on the whole it was a fantastically written episode and a really heartwarming (albeit slightly cheesy) ending.

The Conscience of the King

I'm quite a big fan of Shakespeare, so Trek-does-Shakespeare...brilliant!

Balance of Terror - 8/10

Another good episode actually set 'in space'. Like the Corbomite Maneuver, it was good to see Kirk's battle tactics, and also a nice introduction to the Romulans (although having now seen this episode, I find it harder to accept the Romulans from the film, who I never really liked anyway). This episode seemed to touch on some fairly weighty subjects like racism and prejudice, and was very interesting for this, although of course it upset me to see people picking on Spock (being the Vulcan fangirl that I am).

Shore Leave - 7/10

Brilliantly bonkers, that's all I can say. My brother is also currently working his way through the TOS, and is borrowing my discs once I've finished with them, meaning he's always a few episodes behind me. He usually asks for a summary of what I thought of each episode, but I've refused to tell him anything about this one because I want him to have that 'what the heck?' moment when he first sees that white rabbit! Ha ha.

The Galileo Seven - 9/10

Tied with The Menagerie for my favourite episode so far (and yeah, it's Spock-centric, do you see a pattern here? He he). I loved the interplay between Spock and the rest of his crew, although like in Balance of Terror, it upset me to see people picking on him (I'm sad, I know). Although my favourite moment has to be the ending with all the 'hi-larious' laughter on the bridge. Oscar winning stuff! lol.

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Report this Jun. 29 2009, 9:53 am

The Squire of Gothos and Arena - need to watch these properly yet, as someone was talking to me while they were on.

Tomorrow Is Yesterday - 8/10

I LOVED the idea of this episode, with the Enterprise being a 'present day' UFO. Some of the characters were a little bit cheesy (especially the second guy they accidentally beam up...who's name I didn't catch) but Kirk was as full of himself as always.

Court Martial - 8/10

A really gripping story I thought, with a brilliant 'twist' I didn't see coming at the end. My only gripe would be that in the fight scene at the end the stuntmen look so UNlike the characters that it's quite funny.

The Return of the Archons - Not seen this yet

Space Seed - 8/10

A good introduction to Khan, although he wasn't as menacing as I expected (I haven't seen Wrath of Khan yet). The only thing that annoyed me was the character of the historian. Why do women in Star Trek invariably end up as simpering idiots where men are concerned! lol!

A Taste of Armageddon - Not seen this yet

This Side of Paradise - 7/10

What a lovely episode. It was so nice to see Spock being happy, such a shame it couldn?t last for him.

The Devil in the Dark, Errand of Mercy, The Alternative Factor - Not seen these yet

The City on the Edge of Forever - 8/10

An absolutely fantastic idea for a storyline, although I wish they'd made it a two-parter because it felt kind of rushed, and it would have been nice to have seen Kirk and Edith's relationship develop a bit more, instead of him falling in love with her after five minutes. In fact, I personally think this could have worked well as a film, it had a strong enough idea to sustain it for a couple of hours IMO. But a great episode nonetheless (although it's not my favourite), fantastic interplay between Kirk and Spock and Joan Collins (who I only ever think of as Alexis in Dynasty) is lovely.

Operation: Annihilate! - Not seen this yet


*Phew* Well done if you've got through all that. I'll stop waffling now!

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Report this Jun. 29 2009, 9:59 am

Hi MrsStarbuck, Welcome to the TOS boards. :) ¿I take it you are a BSG fan, old and new?



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The Naked Time - 6/10

Kirk and Spock get drunk! Classic! I don't think I need to say much more on this episode apart from "I'll take you home again Kathleen?"


I would give it 7.5/10. I felt that the story was good but I knocked it down some because (1) a crew member violated the rules of being in a possible bio hazard environment and touching something. (2) Officer in charge of decon not asking questions to check to see if anyone was exposed while on the surface. (3) Listening to Lt. Riley sing that song...one more time

BWT, you would not want me to sing that one. I could start a war or end one real quick. Muhahaha.

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The Man Trap - 7/10

A strange choice for a pilot episode, as it doesn't really give any introductions and just throws you right into the action (although I realise it wasn't meant to be the pilot originally). But a fairly good episode, nice to see McCoy in the middle of the action. But is it wrong that I found the creature at the end really cute? ha ha.


To quote a future episode, Is there in truth No beauty? Yes there is! The Salt creature is proof.

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Report this Jun. 29 2009, 10:07 am

Quote (BrotherofShran01 @ June 28 2009, 3:59 pm)
Hi MrsStarbuck, Welcome to the TOS boards. :) ?I take it you are a BSG fan, old and new?

Erm...unfortunately not. I've never seen a single episode of BSG, although I've been asked this question many times since I use this same username on a few different boards.

I've also been accused of naming myself after a huge blood-sucking coffee corporation! :O

But no...my name comes from IMO one of the best literary characters in one of the best works of literature this world has ever seen...Moby Dick.

Ask Khan, I believe he'll agree ;)

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Report this Jun. 29 2009, 10:11 am

Quote (MrsStarbuck @ June 29 2009, 10:07 am)
Quote (BrotherofShran01 @ June 28 2009, 3:59 pm)
Hi MrsStarbuck, Welcome to the TOS boards. :) ?I take it you are a BSG fan, old and new?

Erm...unfortunately not. I've never seen a single episode of BSG, although I've been asked this question many times since I use this same username on a few different boards.

I've also been accused of naming myself after a huge blood-sucking coffee corporation! :O

But no...my name comes from IMO one of the best literary characters in one of the best works of literature this world has ever seen...Moby Dick.

Ask Khan, I believe he'll agree ;)

True, but you won't see me near Ceti Alpha V with my starship.  ;)

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Report this Jun. 29 2009, 10:46 am

Wow, no BSG eh? I only discovered it at the start of this year and I totally inhaled it (that's the re-imaged, not the original which was pretty bloodyawful).

After Star Trek (TOS) the re-imaged BSG is my all-time favourite sic-fi drama. It has so many elements that made the original Star Trek great, but with sfx and a budget to do it justice.

Anyway this is a thread about Star Trek. I have recently re-watched every ep in production order (which I prefer to airdate order which you are watching them in).

I personally love 'What are Little Girls Made Of?" and I'm not sure I would call 'Charlie X' a 'funny' episode, I find it extremely tense, even frightening and the end is heart-wrenchingly sad.

Oh please get around to 'A Taste of Armageddon' this is my second favourite episode of all time, it's brilliant.

Anyway, I am sure you are enjoying yourself.

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Report this Jun. 29 2009, 11:34 am

Quote (Mirrorgirl @ June 28 2009, 4:46 pm)
Wow, no BSG eh? I only discovered it at the start of this year and I totally inhaled it (that's the re-imaged, not the original which was pretty bloodyawful).

After Star Trek (TOS) the re-imaged BSG is my all-time favourite sic-fi drama. It has so many elements that made the original Star Trek great, but with sfx and a budget to do it justice.

Anyway this is a thread about Star Trek. I have recently re-watched every ep in production order (which I prefer to airdate order which you are watching them in).

I personally love 'What are Little Girls Made Of?" and I'm not sure I would call 'Charlie X' a 'funny' episode, I find it extremely tense, even frightening and the end is heart-wrenchingly sad.

Oh please get around to 'A Taste of Armageddon' this is my second favourite episode of all time, it's brilliant.

Anyway, I am sure you are enjoying yourself.

See, I don't really watch things on TV. I'm useless at making sure I'm infront of the TV for a certain time on a certain day every week to catch something, so I tend to always buy things I want to watch on DVD and then work through them at my own pace.

So I've just not gotten round to buying BSG yet, although I've heard a lot of good things about it and will admit I'm intrigued. And then at least I'd finally be able to answer in the affirmative to all these questions about my username...ha ha.


As for ST TOS, a note about my scores, since BrotherofShran marked some episodes higher than me...I did initially score a lot of those episodes higher, but the more I watched I felt there was such a contrast between what I deem to be the 'funny' or 'light' episodes, and the 'weighty' or 'serious' episodes, and since I much prefer the serious episodes in general I wanted my scores to reflect that (I've probably put way too much thought into this...he he!;)

I also think that when there is an outstanding episode, like the ones I've given 9 to so far, they are so completely outstanding that I wanted my scores to reflect how much they'd impressed me compared to all the rest.


Onto your comments Mirrorgirl...
I really will give 'What are little girls made of' another chance. I know when my brother watched it he mentioned some cool points to me that I hadn't even noticed, so maybe I just wasn't in the right mood that night or something...

CharlieX, I dunno, I did just find it really funny, in a sweet sort of way, with Kirk having to give Charlie all the 'man-to-man' talks and all that. I do see what you mean about the ending being sad, but I'll admit I was a bit distracted by the weird alien effect which might have lessened any impact it had on me.

I do plan to watch them all a second time, because I think it takes a while to get used to the series in general. Watching it in this age of amazing CGI and effects, it can take a while to accept the effects for what they were at the time...initially they seemed a bit jarring to me (like it's been hard to take some of the aliens seriously)...but as I watch more I find that I get used to it.

Same with Shatner, it took a couple of episodes for me to just accept his...erm...acting style. Now I love it, and I wouldn't have it any other way...but previous to this my sci-fi obsessions were Star Wars and Blade Runner so hopefully you can see why Trek is a bit of a culture shock compared.

Oh, and I'm almost at 'A Taste of Armageddon' ;)
I try to watch one (maybe two) episodes a night since I'm a bit of an insomniac and don't sleep half as much as I should...ha ha.

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Report this Jun. 29 2009, 11:45 am

He he, I don't sleep much either, and I'm unemployed at the moment so I have alot of time on my hands.

With BSG, my sons had been fans from the beginning, so they had it all on DVD, so I started with the mini-series and watched 1-3 eps a day until I cuaght up to the stuff that was being aired. So I got there just in time to watch the final episode. Most my friends here know that I admit to howling like a baby for the final hour of it, it was a triumph of televison, just brilliant, great characters, amazing and engaging story arc and the attention to detail in it is second to none. In my opinion there were only 2 episodes in the entire 4 yeat rjn that were sub-par and even those eps were good.

I know what you mean about getting used to the style of TOS. It is much more theatrical than what we are used to today, but once your mind and eyes flip over into Trekspace, there's no going back, it just gets you in.

I am thrilled for you to be getting into it and look forward to hearing more of your assessments :cool:

What made you go back to TOS btw?

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Report this Jun. 29 2009, 11:58 am

Quote (Mirrorgirl @ June 28 2009, 5:45 pm)
I know what you mean about getting used to the style of TOS. It is much more theatrical than what we are used to today, but once your mind and eyes flip over into Trekspace, there's no going back, it just gets you in.

I am thrilled for you to be getting into it and look forward to hearing more of your assessments :cool:

What made you go back to TOS btw?

You're totally right...since I started rewatching TOS, I can't watch anything else! I've even managed to get my eight year old niece into it (much to my sister's annoyance...ha ha).

Why did I go back to it? You know, it was one of those things that I always meant to do. I loved watching it as a kid, but then I guess I just moved away from it as I got older.
When I was a student I had a brief flirtation with TNG, which lasted for a couple of months worth of the series and a couple of films, but again, because it was on TV, and being a penniless student back then I couldn't afford to buy DVD box sets, I just let it slip away eventually.

So then the new film came out, I went to see it and really enjoyed it (although I find that the more I watch TOS now, the less I like the new film). I spotted the TOS box sets in the HMV sale and...cue complete addiction and sleepless nights!

:laugh:

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Report this Jun. 29 2009, 12:14 pm

Okay, that's more grist for my mill. I have stated a number of times in a number of different forums that my greatest thrill with the new movie (apart from the new cast being very wonderful addition to the family) is that it is reviving interest in TOS, which to me is just brilliant. Not only are old fans being revived, but new fans who have seen the movie are going back and discovering the joys of TOS.

I am happy with alt timelines and new stories, but nothing will replace the magic of Shatner/Nimoy/Kelley et al.

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Report this Jun. 29 2009, 12:20 pm

It's great that you have that attitude. I already said this in a different thread, but I was a bit nervous coming on here in case people were like "n00b, jumping on the badwagon because of the new film, not a REAL Star Trek fan" etc but so far everyone has been really cool.

I'll admit I'm having to relearn everything about Star Trek, I don't know anything outside of the episodes I've already watched, and fully anticipate making some silly comments or asking silly questions due to my lack of knowledge on the topic...but I'm here to learn and gain a wider appreciation of all things Trek...

...and also to save my brother, who so far has been the only person I could talk to about Trek, and as well as him being a bit sick of me going on about it all the time...you know...you can't really discuss your Spock-fetish with your own brother ;)

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Report this Jun. 29 2009, 12:25 pm

You're in the right place to discuss Star Trek and Spock fetishes. I know I am happy to answer any questions about it without making you feel like a noob. :cool: :laugh:

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Report this Jun. 29 2009, 1:06 pm

Quote (Mirrorgirl @ June 29 2009, 10:46 am)
Wow, no BSG eh? I only discovered it at the start of this year and I totally inhaled it (that's the re-imaged, not the original which was pretty bloodyawful).

After Star Trek (TOS) the re-imaged BSG is my all-time favourite sic-fi drama. It has so many elements that made the original Star Trek great, but with sfx and a budget to do it justice.

BSG is the ONLY sci-fi/drama that deserves to be put on the shelf beside TOS. To me, Moore's vision is "the" direct descendant of TOS and its movies. It's as if the adopted son is more like the father than the biological son.

You can draw a line from TOS, and the II,III,IV, and VI movies, directly to BSG. It's as if what Moore was doing was taking the baton from Meyer/Bennett. I would say II was the biggest influence.

There was a LOT of Captain Kirk in Bill Adama.

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