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Matthias Russell

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Report this Sep. 14 2010, 5:00 am

Quote: WkdYngMan @ Sep. 14 2010, 12:10 am

There were so many plot holes I thought I would fall into one of them watching but I held on to my seat till the end of the show, Feeeuuuu got scared there for 2 hours of my life.


Please feel free to list all plot holes that had to be explained in the comics.



1 why was ambassador spock on the jellyfish?
2 why did vulcan refuse to help romulus and why did nero take it so personally (movie covered but comic expanded upon)?
3 why was a mining ship so powerful?
4 why were all the romulans tattooed and bald?
5 why did nero not talk to the kelvin's captain?
6 what the hell happened to nero's ears?
7 where did nero go for 20 years?
8 how did nero know when spock would return?
9 why is a miner familiar with kirk and the enterprise? I know nothing about russian, chinese, or iranian captains from a century ago.
10 where did nero get citi alpha 5 ear slugs?

I think that's good enough for now.

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Report this Sep. 14 2010, 5:17 am

. . . And what was up with the enterprise? Buzard collectors were always red (the B was an exception). Plus, go to memory alpha and look at the age of the 1701. It was launched much earlier than the movie. And what happened to robert april? Its launch date (hence likely registry number) were all wrong and the size, gd enormous! It was built in iowa too, fail! The bridge was much better but the exterior and engineering were awful. I never liked the look of the tos enterprise but the abrams- prise is its D.U.F.F.

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Report this Sep. 14 2010, 8:02 am

I'll give you my fanboy answers and I don't regard these as the major problems in the movie:


Nobody said they were major problem to enjoy the movie for mass audiance and I'm not asking anyone to dislike the film, but there many plot holes and it would not have been all that difficult to fill the gaps up with simple add on's. It would have made all the to inrich the movie, make it look more profound more intellegent, it would of make the film much more attritive to the main audiance, that way I would not consider it a brainless action movie, with Star Wars element.

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Report this Sep. 14 2010, 8:17 am

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There were so many plot holes I thought I would fall into one of them watching but I held on to my seat till the end of the show, Feeeuuuu got scared there for 2 hours of my life.


Please feel free to list all plot holes that had to be explained in the comics.

I'll give you my fanboy answers and I don't regard these as the major problems in the movie:

1 why was ambassador spock on the jellyfish?

I think they explained it in the movie. He was on his way to save the universe using the red matter. Why was he specifically on the jellyfish? Its as good as any other ship to me.

2 why did vulcan refuse to help romulus and why did nero take it so personally (movie covered but comic expanded upon)?

Vulcans are now bastards. Didn't you see ENT?

3 why was a mining ship so powerful?

Why is Picard's ship more poweful than Kirks? Compare even a commercial plane made in the Year 2000 to the fighter planes in the 1920s. The ship also had red matter which made it more powerful and it was armed because unscrupulous races like the Ferengi for example like to steal.

Prolly also because it had enhanced borg technology.

4 why were all the romulans tattooed and bald?

These Romulans were cool.

Wheres the head V ridges?

5 why did nero not talk to the kelvin's captain?

He was so cool he didn't need to. All he needed was a time-check.

6 what the hell happened to nero's ears?

What the hell happened to my husband's ears? They are enormous. Do you think he could be a Romulan? There are differences within a race.

7 where did nero go for 20 years?

Biding his time. Perhaps doing a bit of mining here and there. Its not important to me.

8 how did nero know when spock would return?

He had computers on board his ship to calculate such things.

9 why is a miner familiar with kirk and the enterprise? I know nothing about russian, chinese, or iranian captains from a century ago.

Kirk is a legend and after GENERATIONS happened there was a renewed interest in him. He was also a pal of Spock's and Nero was very interested in Spock.

10 where did nero get citi alpha 5 ear slugs?

The crew of the Reliant saved saved some for study and some unscrupulous Romulans got their hands on them and discovered they were a cheap way of interrogating people. So Romulan miners and other non-military ships were given them in case of trouble.

They were centuri slugs not ceti eels...

I think that's good enough for now.

 

I also could give you 20 off-hand from TWOK or TUC and probably the other movies if I watched them a little more.

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Report this Sep. 14 2010, 11:18 am

ServalanFan, oh where do I begin. You are right, the other movies have flaws and holes but that wasn't what you asked for. A modern airliner is better built than an old biplane but has no more offensive capability or giant missiles than a MINING SHIP. The biplane (kelvin) still wins. Many of your answers to my questions are you speculating and not from the movie so you defeat your own argument! And ' cooler' is not an adequate rebuttal. There are massive holes. Its a good thrill ride but needed the comics.


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Report this Sep. 14 2010, 1:07 pm

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Sep. 14 2010, 4:52 am

>Just because its from the future means nothing. Put the merrimac against a modern whaler. Sure the merrimac isn't very dangerous to the whaler, omg, why does the whaler have missiles? That ship was to powerful to be a mining vessel, even a future mining vessel. The tech was not straight up borg, but romulan adaptations of borg technology. It didn't look reiman at all. The scimitar didn't look nearly as organic.


You think that being from the future where weaponry would be more advanced and more powerful has no bearing? How so?


Why shouldn't a mining vessel have weapons? Of course it makes sense to have weaponry. You're out in the middle of space, and not everyone is friendly. What if you had just mined up some valuable ores and someone else decides they want to take the ore? You'll need weaponry to defend yourself. Freighters and science vessels have weaponry for similar defensive purposes. And compared to weapons from over a century prior, even a defensive weapon would seem quite powerful.


As for the "Borg technology," while Countdown describes it as a weapon, it immediately contradicts itself by describing the technology as giving ships "superior warp, cloaking, and sensor capabilities," (Countdown #3 pg 12) none of which pertain to weapons. And the movie itself disagrees; we see nothing that resembles superior warp as no frames of reference were given. We don't see superior cloaking as it's never revealed that the Narada even has a cloaking device. And we see the exact opposite of superior sensors when, even after attacking the Kelvin and forcing her captain to come aboard, they are unaware that the Kelvin is of a design and possessing technology from 150 years prior. If they were aware, there'd be no reason to ask the stardate.


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Report this Sep. 14 2010, 1:17 pm

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Sep. 14 2010, 5:00 am

>1 why was ambassador spock on the jellyfish? 2 why did vulcan refuse to help romulus and why did nero take it so personally (movie covered but comic expanded upon)? 3 why was a mining ship so powerful? 4 why were all the romulans tattooed and bald? 5 why did nero not talk to the kelvin's captain? 6 what the hell happened to nero's ears? 7 where did nero go for 20 years? 8 how did nero know when spock would return? 9 why is a miner familiar with kirk and the enterprise? I know nothing about russian, chinese, or iranian captains from a century ago. 10 where did nero get citi alpha 5 ear slugs? I think that's good enough for now.


1. To deliver the red matter to the Hobus event. The movie shows this.


2. You yourself just said that the movie covered this, so it's obviously not a plot-hole.


3. It wasn't.


4. That's one thing the movie doesn't explain.


5. Why must he?


6, 7, and 8. These would have been explained if they left the deleted scenes in.


9. Because Russian, Chinese, and Iranian captains from a century ago did nothing much that was noteworthy, nor did they assist in foreign relations the way Kirk did. Besides, Kirk was infamous for his exploits in both the Klingon and Romulan empires long before and long after his original five-year mission ended. So why wouldn't there still be stories?


10. He didn't. He used Centurian slugs. Additionally, in the deleted scenes we see Klingons use them for interrogation, so it seems obvious that Nero took them from the Klingons.


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Report this Sep. 14 2010, 3:08 pm

1) Why was an elderly Ambassador carrying out the mission instead of someone from the Vulcan science academy is my point.
2) Was not made clear to someone who doesn't know about reunification.
3) Yes. It was. It took out several ships without a scratch and planetary defenses.
5) Cause why wouldn't he, lol.
6, 7 and 8) deleted scenes don't count anymore than the comic. There was a deleted scene where Nero killed his first officer; later in the movie Kirk killed the first officer. Weird!?!
9) How many 19th century military commanders from other nations that impacted US history can you name off the top of your head?
10) Correct. However the interrogation was not in the movie (see #6,7,8).

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Report this Sep. 14 2010, 4:55 pm

1. What does age matter, if the person is capable of doing it?
2. "Reunification" doesn't change one's understanding of that specific detail.
3. No, it wasn't. What Vulcan's planetary defenses were is unknown, and the Federation fleet (running with shields down) was ambushed as it came out of warp. And the Narada's "amazing" weapons left huge sections of vessels still floating around...
5. Why Nero chose to remain silent means nothing.
6-8. Got a link to that scene?
9. How many foreign military commanders impacted the United States the way Kirk impacted the Klingon and Romulan empires?
10. The fact that the slugs look different from Ceti eels and were administered differently, however, was.

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WkdYngMan

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Report this Sep. 14 2010, 11:01 pm

Like I said if you read the post I have not read the comics so I can`t feel free to fill the plot holes,


Your exact wording:


"My point is that if they have to explain lhe plot holes through comic books, it is evident that the script is weak. This is not a question of opinion now."


So if you have never read the comics then how you can post such a thing, and then try to say it isn't an opinion?


but maybe you can fill out what nero did for th past 20 years, Oh sorry, that right, he was on the prison planet,


Not a plot hole, if that's what you think.


with his ship waiting for him in orbit, the Klingons left it there incase Nero had to escape. (Pathetic) in case


All made up by you.

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Report this Sep. 15 2010, 1:54 am

Seeing how STAR TREK isn't based on a comic book,
I don't get why I would be expected to read one to understand
a STAR TREK movie? But I guess that's because of the
target audeince they were going after, maybe. I saw it
openning night, wouldn't have missed it. Even have the
Burger King glasses! I was entertained by it, but honestly,
it did not stick with me, after the credits went up and I
only remember pieces. I'm not that much of a completist that
I had to have the DVD, either. I'd love to chime in, otherwise!

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Report this Sep. 15 2010, 4:32 am

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>ServalanFan, oh where do I begin. You are right, the other movies have flaws and holes but that wasn't what you asked for. A modern airliner is better built than an old biplane but has no more offensive capability or giant missiles than a MINING SHIP. The biplane (kelvin) still wins. Many of your answers to my questions are you speculating and not from the movie so you defeat your own argument! And ' cooler' is not an adequate rebuttal. There are massive holes. Its a good thrill ride but needed the comics.

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I'm not trying to say you were wrong to say these things bothered you but I'm just saying they didn't worry me and I don't need any explanation for them as I have worked out some solution in my own mind or do not care.

That doesn't mean you are wrong and I am right or vice versa.

These things bother me about the movie.

1. Spock sending Kirk off ship.

That's not the Spock we know from TOS and the other movies.

2. I can't believe Scotty and SpockPrime and Kirk all met on Delta Vega

Its too much of a coincidence to me.

I and others can come up with some fanboy explanations for this but it still feels wrong to me.

But I realise I gotta let it go. Because Abrams was trying to free Star Trek from the oppression of canon. He may have gone too far though. I'm giving him until the next  movie to see if he can really do it properly.

I didn't care about engineering, about building ships in Iowa, Delta Vega or lots of other things that people obssess about. Its our right to obsess though. We are Star Trek fans after all.


Good point about them meeting on the ice planet. That bothered me too. I believe it was explained off film that this was the universe trying to right itself (or Q? Lol) A red skinned reptilian creature in a polar environment also confused me.

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Report this Sep. 16 2010, 12:05 pm

Why is that weird? Humans live in every environment there is.

There's no easy way in, that's why they send Marines in. Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem. Ronald Reagan, President of the United States; 1985

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