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"Dumbing down"

NuclearWessels

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 3:00 pm

the fact that it had the pace of a movie and not a slow, drawn out 2-hour episode.

DammitJim6200

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 3:04 pm

Quote (NuclearWessels @ June 25 2009, 4:00 pm)
the fact that it had the pace of a movie and not a slow, drawn out 2-hour episode.

The pace was a litle too fast as a result the story suffered. :logical:

SpaceTherapist

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 3:06 pm

Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 25 2009, 4:04 pm)
Quote (NuclearWessels @ June 25 2009, 4:00 pm)
the fact that it had the pace of a movie and not a slow, drawn out 2-hour episode.

The pace was a litle too fast as a result the story suffered. :logical:

How did the pace of the movie make the story suffer? Be specific.

Captain_Storma

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 3:08 pm

Quote (DarthRage @ June 26 2009, 11:59 pm)
Just about all of it. The opening 10 minutes were flawless. I loved the new cast. I didn't walk in looking for things to hate. I knew it would be vastly different from any Star Trek movie I'd seen before, and walked out loving Star Trek all the more. The only thing that made me roll my eyes was the Spock/Uhura thing, and engineering looking like a brewery. Other than that, had a great time.

I agree on the first ten minutes... really well performed (technically as much a disaster as the rest of the film, since it lacked the class and estetics of the other TREK productions... visual effects which could be enjoyed, camera movement which would allow the viewer to actually see what happens).

After the "STAR TREK" title blend in... the whole thing fell apart. IMO in many scenes the whole thing could not decide if it was going for comedy, parody, drama, action, horror or whatever...

DarthRage

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 3:10 pm

Like Kirk's hands? A bit unnecessary, but comical.

Captain_Storma

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 3:10 pm

Quote (SpaceTherapist @ June 27 2009, 12:06 am)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 25 2009, 4:04 pm)
Quote (NuclearWessels @ June 25 2009, 4:00 pm)
the fact that it had the pace of a movie and not a slow, drawn out 2-hour episode.

The pace was a litle too fast as a result the story suffered. :logical:

How did the pace of the movie make the story suffer? Be specific.

IMO it felt as if the movie was racing from one action/SFX scene to the next. Just for their own sake... as if the authors were unable to write an interesting story.
It felt as if the action scenes were carved in stone, and the rest was worked around it.
My impression at least.

HaventGotALife

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 3:21 pm

Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 25 2009, 1:56 pm)
Quote (WkdYngMan @ June 26 2009, 9:45 pm)
Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 26 2009, 12:36 pm)
Do not show compassion, kill your enemies when they lie on their knees.

Conveniently forgetting the fact that he offered them assistance and Nero refused.

This does not mean, that he has to contribute to his doom.

His "Fire" order was completely out of place.

Pine's Kirk was way to arrogant for my taste (equivalent with IMO, so don't start insulting me... ;) ). The Bar scene, the Kobayashi Maru, most of his scenes aboard the Enterprise.

Pine's is a fine actor, I guess it was the "dumbed down" script, which really spoiled the whole thing... IMO.

Nero would stop at nothing to have revenge. He offered peace as a resolution to that threat, then gave the order.

He is arrogant, but I think we're missing the point on Kirk. He is a man of destiny. He will either fulfill it or die. That's how I interpreted the action. He's a waste of human skin if he doesn't find the message of Starfleet--a firecracker, not jet fuel.

Captain_Storma

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 3:26 pm

Quote (HaventGotALife @ June 27 2009, 12:21 am)
Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 25 2009, 1:56 pm)
Quote (WkdYngMan @ June 26 2009, 9:45 pm)
Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 26 2009, 12:36 pm)
Do not show compassion, kill your enemies when they lie on their knees.

Conveniently forgetting the fact that he offered them assistance and Nero refused.

This does not mean, that he has to contribute to his doom.

His "Fire" order was completely out of place.

Pine's Kirk was way to arrogant for my taste (equivalent with IMO, so don't start insulting me... ;) ). The Bar scene, the Kobayashi Maru, most of his scenes aboard the Enterprise.

Pine's is a fine actor, I guess it was the "dumbed down" script, which really spoiled the whole thing... IMO.

Nero would stop at nothing to have revenge. He offered peace as a resolution to that threat, then gave the order.

He is arrogant, but I think we're missing the point on Kirk. He is a man of destiny. He will either fulfill it or die. That's how I interpreted the action. He's a waste of human skin if he doesn't find the message of Starfleet--a firecracker, not jet fuel.

I do not believe in destiny... so maybe that's why I am having problems with this kind of stuff...  :cool:

HaventGotALife

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 3:29 pm

Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 25 2009, 4:10 pm)
Quote (SpaceTherapist @ June 27 2009, 12:06 am)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 25 2009, 4:04 pm)
Quote (NuclearWessels @ June 25 2009, 4:00 pm)
the fact that it had the pace of a movie and not a slow, drawn out 2-hour episode.

The pace was a litle too fast as a result the story suffered. :logical:

How did the pace of the movie make the story suffer? Be specific.

IMO it felt as if the movie was racing from one action/SFX scene to the next. Just for their own sake... as if the authors were unable to write an interesting story.
It felt as if the action scenes were carved in stone, and the rest was worked around it.
My impression at least.

I don't care how the film-makers start the movie. I care if it makes sense, has continuity, and a theme. This movie hit all those buttons. Stop saying the action was useless. The only useless graphic were the insect-like things that attacked Kirk on Delta Vega.

Generations had useless action scenes.

PhantomCrunk007

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 3:29 pm

Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 26 2009, 12:26 am)
Quote (HaventGotALife @ June 27 2009, 12:21 am)
Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 25 2009, 1:56 pm)
Quote (WkdYngMan @ June 26 2009, 9:45 pm)
Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 26 2009, 12:36 pm)
Do not show compassion, kill your enemies when they lie on their knees.

Conveniently forgetting the fact that he offered them assistance and Nero refused.

This does not mean, that he has to contribute to his doom.

His "Fire" order was completely out of place.

Pine's Kirk was way to arrogant for my taste (equivalent with IMO, so don't start insulting me... ;) ). The Bar scene, the Kobayashi Maru, most of his scenes aboard the Enterprise.

Pine's is a fine actor, I guess it was the "dumbed down" script, which really spoiled the whole thing... IMO.

Nero would stop at nothing to have revenge. He offered peace as a resolution to that threat, then gave the order.

He is arrogant, but I think we're missing the point on Kirk. He is a man of destiny. He will either fulfill it or die. That's how I interpreted the action. He's a waste of human skin if he doesn't find the message of Starfleet--a firecracker, not jet fuel.

I do not believe in destiny... so maybe that's why I am having problems with this kind of stuff... ¿:cool:

Quote (spock to kirk @ The Wrath of Khan)
Commanding a starship is your first best destiny.

NuclearWessels

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 3:30 pm

Quote (HaventGotALife @ June 26 2009, 1:29 pm)
Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 25 2009, 4:10 pm)
Quote (SpaceTherapist @ June 27 2009, 12:06 am)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 25 2009, 4:04 pm)
Quote (NuclearWessels @ June 25 2009, 4:00 pm)
the fact that it had the pace of a movie and not a slow, drawn out 2-hour episode.

The pace was a litle too fast as a result the story suffered. :logical:

How did the pace of the movie make the story suffer? Be specific.

IMO it felt as if the movie was racing from one action/SFX scene to the next. Just for their own sake... as if the authors were unable to write an interesting story.
It felt as if the action scenes were carved in stone, and the rest was worked around it.
My impression at least.

I don't care how the film-makers start the movie. I care if it makes sense, has continuity, and a theme. This movie hit all those buttons. Stop saying the action was useless. The only useless graphic were the insect-like things that attacked Kirk on Delta Vega.

Generations had useless action scenes.

And Nemesis

HaventGotALife

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 3:31 pm

Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 25 2009, 4:26 pm)
Quote (HaventGotALife @ June 27 2009, 12:21 am)
Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 25 2009, 1:56 pm)
Quote (WkdYngMan @ June 26 2009, 9:45 pm)
Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 26 2009, 12:36 pm)
Do not show compassion, kill your enemies when they lie on their knees.

Conveniently forgetting the fact that he offered them assistance and Nero refused.

This does not mean, that he has to contribute to his doom.

His "Fire" order was completely out of place.

Pine's Kirk was way to arrogant for my taste (equivalent with IMO, so don't start insulting me... ;) ). The Bar scene, the Kobayashi Maru, most of his scenes aboard the Enterprise.

Pine's is a fine actor, I guess it was the "dumbed down" script, which really spoiled the whole thing... IMO.

Nero would stop at nothing to have revenge. He offered peace as a resolution to that threat, then gave the order.

He is arrogant, but I think we're missing the point on Kirk. He is a man of destiny. He will either fulfill it or die. That's how I interpreted the action. He's a waste of human skin if he doesn't find the message of Starfleet--a firecracker, not jet fuel.

I do not believe in destiny... so maybe that's why I am having problems with this kind of stuff... ¿:cool:

I don't believe in the Resurrection of a Prime Character. It didn't change the last four movies were about that character's resurrection.

Still, we should be having that debate, not talking about how horrible the movie is.

SpaceTherapist

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 3:31 pm

Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 25 2009, 4:26 pm)
Quote (HaventGotALife @ June 27 2009, 12:21 am)
Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 25 2009, 1:56 pm)
Quote (WkdYngMan @ June 26 2009, 9:45 pm)
Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 26 2009, 12:36 pm)
Do not show compassion, kill your enemies when they lie on their knees.

Conveniently forgetting the fact that he offered them assistance and Nero refused.

This does not mean, that he has to contribute to his doom.

His "Fire" order was completely out of place.

Pine's Kirk was way to arrogant for my taste (equivalent with IMO, so don't start insulting me... ;) ). The Bar scene, the Kobayashi Maru, most of his scenes aboard the Enterprise.

Pine's is a fine actor, I guess it was the "dumbed down" script, which really spoiled the whole thing... IMO.

Nero would stop at nothing to have revenge. He offered peace as a resolution to that threat, then gave the order.

He is arrogant, but I think we're missing the point on Kirk. He is a man of destiny. He will either fulfill it or die. That's how I interpreted the action. He's a waste of human skin if he doesn't find the message of Starfleet--a firecracker, not jet fuel.

I do not believe in destiny... so maybe that's why I am having problems with this kind of stuff... ¿:cool:

I do think destiny was a big part of this movie. Even Spock Prime was hinting at it to young Kirk.

I personally don't believe in destiny myself, however, for fictional movies it is fun to play with those concepts.

HaventGotALife

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 3:32 pm

Quote (NuclearWessels @ June 25 2009, 4:30 pm)
Quote (HaventGotALife @ June 26 2009, 1:29 pm)


Generations had useless action scenes.

And Nemesis

Amen.

Captain_Storma

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 3:39 pm

Quote (HaventGotALife @ June 27 2009, 12:29 am)
Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 25 2009, 4:10 pm)
Quote (SpaceTherapist @ June 27 2009, 12:06 am)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 25 2009, 4:04 pm)
Quote (NuclearWessels @ June 25 2009, 4:00 pm)
the fact that it had the pace of a movie and not a slow, drawn out 2-hour episode.

The pace was a litle too fast as a result the story suffered. :logical:

How did the pace of the movie make the story suffer? Be specific.

IMO it felt as if the movie was racing from one action/SFX scene to the next. Just for their own sake... as if the authors were unable to write an interesting story.
It felt as if the action scenes were carved in stone, and the rest was worked around it.
My impression at least.

I don't care how the film-makers start the movie. I care if it makes sense, has continuity, and a theme. This movie hit all those buttons. Stop saying the action was useless. The only useless graphic were the insect-like things that attacked Kirk on Delta Vega.

Generations had useless action scenes.

Name one!

NEMESIS: Argo scene. Agreed.

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