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"Dumbing down"

DarthRage

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 1:40 pm

Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 26 2009, 1:34 pm)
Quote (DarthRage @ June 26 2009, 10:25 pm)
AND...didn't Spock pretty much tell Kirk to screw Nero? Where's the outrage over that?

Oh... I won't start with alternate Spock, since I have nothing good to tell about him at all... ¿;)

He wasn't the greatest, but I just don't care for the actor who played him.

Captain_Storma

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 1:46 pm

Quote (DarthRage @ June 26 2009, 10:40 pm)
Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 26 2009, 1:34 pm)
Quote (DarthRage @ June 26 2009, 10:25 pm)
AND...didn't Spock pretty much tell Kirk to screw Nero? Where's the outrage over that?

Oh... I won't start with alternate Spock, since I have nothing good to tell about him at all... ?;)

He wasn't the greatest, but I just don't care for the actor who played him.

It is not the actor... again it is the story. The poor actors simply had to work with a horrible script (even a ten year old could write a better story) IMO.

Credit goes to the actors who were at least able to do their best. I do not blame them for the IMO lack of quality in this film.

Vice_Adm_Baxter

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 1:55 pm

Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 26 2009, 10:46 am)
Quote (DarthRage @ June 26 2009, 10:40 pm)
Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 26 2009, 1:34 pm)
Quote (DarthRage @ June 26 2009, 10:25 pm)
AND...didn't Spock pretty much tell Kirk to screw Nero? Where's the outrage over that?

Oh... I won't start with alternate Spock, since I have nothing good to tell about him at all... ?;)

He wasn't the greatest, but I just don't care for the actor who played him.

It is not the actor... again it is the story. The poor actors simply had to work with a horrible script (even a ten year old could write a better story) IMO.

Credit goes to the actors who were at least able to do their best. I do not blame them for the IMO lack of quality in this film.

Funny thing it's not even the story that's the blame. If you read the TREK XI DVD  contents topic you will find that it is poor editing which is at fault.

Apparently JJ  filmed scenes that explain a lot of complaints, yet those scenes ended up on the cuttring room floor.

So once again it's JJ messing things up.

DammitJim6200

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 1:56 pm

Quote (DarthRage @ June 25 2009, 12:31 pm)
I hear that a lot from certain posters here concerning the new movie. I'm curious which Star Trek movies they consider were not dumbed down. Please explain why these movies were not considered dumbed down, so we can begin a discussion of compare and contrast.

Look......NONE of the Star Trek movies were as Dumb as the mess Abrams put out NOT even Star Trek 5,
Nemesis is a Masterpiece compared to this crap..
So your question is moot
Abrams and those two boneheads who wrote the movie has dumb Star Trek down to the lowest levels of idiocy,

And one day the world will realize this.  :honorable:

Captain_Storma

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 1:58 pm

Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ June 26 2009, 10:55 pm)
Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 26 2009, 10:46 am)
Quote (DarthRage @ June 26 2009, 10:40 pm)
Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 26 2009, 1:34 pm)
Quote (DarthRage @ June 26 2009, 10:25 pm)
AND...didn't Spock pretty much tell Kirk to screw Nero? Where's the outrage over that?

Oh... I won't start with alternate Spock, since I have nothing good to tell about him at all... ?;)

He wasn't the greatest, but I just don't care for the actor who played him.

It is not the actor... again it is the story. The poor actors simply had to work with a horrible script (even a ten year old could write a better story) IMO.

Credit goes to the actors who were at least able to do their best. I do not blame them for the IMO lack of quality in this film.

Funny thing it's not even the story that's the blame. If you read the TREK XI DVD ¿contents topic you will find that it is poor editing which is at fault.

Apparently JJ ¿filmed scenes that explain a lot of complaints, yet those scenes ended up on the cuttring room floor.

So once again it's JJ messing things up.

Yeah... never liked his style.

Too handhelt-camera (either the camera-man had Parkinson, or he was drunk all the time).
Really bad cutting (especially in the effect scenes), and poor choice of takes.

If there is one thing I would like to have in the sequel... a qualified director.

DarthRage

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 2:04 pm

Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 26 2009, 1:56 pm)
Quote (DarthRage @ June 25 2009, 12:31 pm)
I hear that a lot from certain posters here concerning the new movie. I'm curious which Star Trek movies they consider were not dumbed down. Please explain why these movies were not considered dumbed down, so we can begin a discussion of compare and contrast.

Look......NONE of the Star Trek movies were as Dumb as the mess Abrams put out NOT even Star Trek 5,
Nemesis is a Masterpiece compared to this crap..
So your question is moot
Abrams and those two boneheads who wrote the movie has dumb Star Trek down to the lowest levels of idiocy,

And one day the world will realize this. ¿:honorable:

Way to not answer. I didn't think you'd have any ideas.

DammitJim6200

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 2:05 pm

Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 25 2009, 2:58 pm)
Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ June 26 2009, 10:55 pm)
Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 26 2009, 10:46 am)
Quote (DarthRage @ June 26 2009, 10:40 pm)
Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 26 2009, 1:34 pm)
Quote (DarthRage @ June 26 2009, 10:25 pm)
AND...didn't Spock pretty much tell Kirk to screw Nero? Where's the outrage over that?

Oh... I won't start with alternate Spock, since I have nothing good to tell about him at all... ?;)

He wasn't the greatest, but I just don't care for the actor who played him.

It is not the actor... again it is the story. The poor actors simply had to work with a horrible script (even a ten year old could write a better story) IMO.

Credit goes to the actors who were at least able to do their best. I do not blame them for the IMO lack of quality in this film.

Funny thing it's not even the story that's the blame. If you read the TREK XI DVD ?contents topic you will find that it is poor editing which is at fault.

Apparently JJ ?filmed scenes that explain a lot of complaints, yet those scenes ended up on the cuttring room floor.

So once again it's JJ messing things up.

Yeah... never liked his style.

Too handhelt-camera (either the camera-man had Parkinson, or he was drunk all the time).
Really bad cutting (especially in the effect scenes), and poor choice of takes.

If there is one thing I would like to have in the sequel... a qualified director.

You may get your wish, in a TV guide interview Jar Jar Abrams
said something like he had his full of Star Trek, and he maybe uncertain about doing another Trek film..

I HOPE AND PRAY..

Captain_Storma

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 2:08 pm

Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 26 2009, 10:56 pm)
Quote (DarthRage @ June 25 2009, 12:31 pm)
I hear that a lot from certain posters here concerning the new movie. I'm curious which Star Trek movies they consider were not dumbed down. Please explain why these movies were not considered dumbed down, so we can begin a discussion of compare and contrast.

Look......NONE of the Star Trek movies were as Dumb as the mess Abrams put out NOT even Star Trek 5,
Nemesis is a Masterpiece compared to this crap..
So your question is moot
Abrams and those two boneheads who wrote the movie has dumb Star Trek down to the lowest levels of idiocy,

And one day the world will realize this. ¿:honorable:

Well I agree that all the other films really are demanding intellectual masterpieces compared to JJ's outing... but that is just your and mine opinion.

We should at least accept that other people simply either do not care about demand, or can see something in the new movie we do not see.

Tastes are different. But that's cool. Imagine everyone agreed on everything... we would have something like THX 1138 then...  :whatthe:

DammitJim6200

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 2:14 pm

Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 25 2009, 3:08 pm)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 26 2009, 10:56 pm)
Quote (DarthRage @ June 25 2009, 12:31 pm)
I hear that a lot from certain posters here concerning the new movie. I'm curious which Star Trek movies they consider were not dumbed down. Please explain why these movies were not considered dumbed down, so we can begin a discussion of compare and contrast.

Look......NONE of the Star Trek movies were as Dumb as the mess Abrams put out NOT even Star Trek 5,
Nemesis is a Masterpiece compared to this crap..
So your question is moot
Abrams and those two boneheads who wrote the movie has dumb Star Trek down to the lowest levels of idiocy,

And one day the world will realize this. ?:honorable:

Well I agree that all the other films really are demanding intellectual masterpieces compared to JJ's outing... but that is just your and mine opinion.

We should at least accept that other people simply either do not care about demand, or can see something in the new movie we do not see.

Tastes are different. But that's cool. Imagine everyone agreed on everything... we would have something like THX 1138 then... ¿:whatthe:

Abrams movie fails on many levels, the reason the "movie goers" like it is because it's the same teenage, rowdy crap thats in the movies now, and It has very little to do with Star Trek.

DarthRage

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 2:22 pm

Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 26 2009, 2:14 pm)
Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 25 2009, 3:08 pm)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 26 2009, 10:56 pm)
Quote (DarthRage @ June 25 2009, 12:31 pm)
I hear that a lot from certain posters here concerning the new movie. I'm curious which Star Trek movies they consider were not dumbed down. Please explain why these movies were not considered dumbed down, so we can begin a discussion of compare and contrast.

Look......NONE of the Star Trek movies were as Dumb as the mess Abrams put out NOT even Star Trek 5,
Nemesis is a Masterpiece compared to this crap..
So your question is moot
Abrams and those two boneheads who wrote the movie has dumb Star Trek down to the lowest levels of idiocy,

And one day the world will realize this. ?:honorable:

Well I agree that all the other films really are demanding intellectual masterpieces compared to JJ's outing... but that is just your and mine opinion.

We should at least accept that other people simply either do not care about demand, or can see something in the new movie we do not see.

Tastes are different. But that's cool. Imagine everyone agreed on everything... we would have something like THX 1138 then... ?:whatthe:

Abrams movie fails on many levels, the reason the "movie goers" like it is because it's the same teenage, rowdy crap thats in the movies now, and It has very little to do with Star Trek.

Sorry, but you could not be more wrong. To compare this to the likes of Transformers is asinine in the extreme.

DammitJim6200

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 2:28 pm

Quote (DarthRage @ June 25 2009, 3:22 pm)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 26 2009, 2:14 pm)
Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 25 2009, 3:08 pm)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 26 2009, 10:56 pm)
Quote (DarthRage @ June 25 2009, 12:31 pm)
I hear that a lot from certain posters here concerning the new movie. I'm curious which Star Trek movies they consider were not dumbed down. Please explain why these movies were not considered dumbed down, so we can begin a discussion of compare and contrast.

Look......NONE of the Star Trek movies were as Dumb as the mess Abrams put out NOT even Star Trek 5,
Nemesis is a Masterpiece compared to this crap..
So your question is moot
Abrams and those two boneheads who wrote the movie has dumb Star Trek down to the lowest levels of idiocy,

And one day the world will realize this. ?:honorable:

Well I agree that all the other films really are demanding intellectual masterpieces compared to JJ's outing... but that is just your and mine opinion.

We should at least accept that other people simply either do not care about demand, or can see something in the new movie we do not see.

Tastes are different. But that's cool. Imagine everyone agreed on everything... we would have something like THX 1138 then... ?:whatthe:

Abrams movie fails on many levels, the reason the "movie goers" like it is because it's the same teenage, rowdy crap thats in the movies now, and It has very little to do with Star Trek.

Sorry, but you could not be more wrong. To compare this to the likes of Transformers is asinine in the extreme.

Why ? isen't it the same thing ?
LOUD, noisy, BIG explosions, Great special effects, weak Story and a young cast with mental problems,  
no difference. ;)

Captain_Storma

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 2:32 pm

Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 26 2009, 11:28 pm)
Quote (DarthRage @ June 25 2009, 3:22 pm)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 26 2009, 2:14 pm)
Quote (Captain_Storma @ June 25 2009, 3:08 pm)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 26 2009, 10:56 pm)
Quote (DarthRage @ June 25 2009, 12:31 pm)
I hear that a lot from certain posters here concerning the new movie. I'm curious which Star Trek movies they consider were not dumbed down. Please explain why these movies were not considered dumbed down, so we can begin a discussion of compare and contrast.

Look......NONE of the Star Trek movies were as Dumb as the mess Abrams put out NOT even Star Trek 5,
Nemesis is a Masterpiece compared to this crap..
So your question is moot
Abrams and those two boneheads who wrote the movie has dumb Star Trek down to the lowest levels of idiocy,

And one day the world will realize this. ?:honorable:

Well I agree that all the other films really are demanding intellectual masterpieces compared to JJ's outing... but that is just your and mine opinion.

We should at least accept that other people simply either do not care about demand, or can see something in the new movie we do not see.

Tastes are different. But that's cool. Imagine everyone agreed on everything... we would have something like THX 1138 then... ?:whatthe:

Abrams movie fails on many levels, the reason the "movie goers" like it is because it's the same teenage, rowdy crap thats in the movies now, and It has very little to do with Star Trek.

Sorry, but you could not be more wrong. To compare this to the likes of Transformers is asinine in the extreme.

Why ? isen't it the same thing ?
LOUD, noisy, BIG explosions, Great special effects, weak Story and a young cast with mental problems, ¿
no difference. ;)

IMO a perfect analysis.

- Young cast (completely uncredible for a starship crew) to attrackt "young" people
- Action for action's sake
- "cool" oneliners
- SFX for SFX's sake
- Plot = Plothole
- Handhelt camera

Again... just IMO.  ;)

DarthRage

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 2:46 pm

Nope nope and nope. Sorry, but that movie was a terrific. We will agree to disagree. ;)

Captain_Storma

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 2:56 pm

Quote (DarthRage @ June 26 2009, 11:46 pm)
Nope nope and nope. Sorry, but that movie was a terrific. We will agree to disagree. ;)

Could you elaborate on what was to terrific about it?

DarthRage

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 2:59 pm

Just about all of it. The opening 10 minutes were flawless. I loved the new cast. I didn't walk in looking for things to hate. I knew it would be vastly different from any Star Trek movie I'd seen before, and walked out loving Star Trek all the more. The only thing that made me roll my eyes was the Spock/Uhura thing, and engineering looking like a brewery. Other than that, had a great time.

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