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"Chief" Obrien

Khoufu_Khorushu

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Report this Jul. 17 2009, 1:12 am

My dad didn't like the language, that's what I meant to say, that the language was the worst.

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Report this Jul. 17 2009, 1:49 am

Quote (Khoufu_Khorushu @ July 17 2009, 12:46 am)
But they don't explore much; I think that's the only reason I couldn't get into it very much, even though everything else about it is great. On the topic of other treks, what's your opinion of Enterprise and Voyager? My dad said Ent was vulgar, and that Voyager is in some ways better than TNG and TOS.

The exploring on DS9 was different,

It was the oppisit of the other treks.

TOS,TNG,VOG and Enterprise was about going out into the universe and finding new things.

DS9 was about the universe finding us....so to speak.

Insteed of going out looking, others came looking for DS9.

As for my opinions on Voyager and Enterprise.

I enjoyed both for the most part.

I hve problem with both shows but over all their worth watching.

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Report this Jul. 17 2009, 1:55 am

Thanks for your opinion. So, DS9 was like the aliens in The Nth Degree, TNG episode season 4?
My dad would watch Voyager at night when i was little, and it's about the same age as me, so I'd sometimes see parts of it. I think I'm bound to like whatever he likes, though.

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Report this Aug. 15 2009, 11:07 pm

I do not understand why you are so worried about O Brien s ranking & powers. Remember what Wesley did since the first season¿

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Report this Aug. 23 2009, 6:21 pm

Well, with all due respect, even tho he was still "Chief" in DS9, he did receive a "promotion" in duties, from being a transporter room operator in TNG to being a full-blown chief engineer on the DS9 station, as well as on the Defiant.
It was both a transfer and a bigger responsibility along with it, actually. ¿Wonder if Picard was okay in allowing Sisko to pick him up.  Was Keiko still aboard the Enterprise when Miles went to DS9?  Wonder what she's feeling about all this.

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Report this Aug. 23 2009, 7:44 pm

Keiko went to DS9 with Miles, and was in many episodes, along with the kids, hell Kira even had to take on a pregnancy for Keiko.

O'Brian did start off as a Lt, I think Picard calls his rank at Farpoint, or another early ep. He did wear Lt. pips on his uniform, but the writers decided to make him a Chief, a non com who never went to SF academy. On DS9 he was Chief of operations, and commanded officers who would usually outrank him, however this would probably only happen in matters of station maintenance, or under direct orders from Sisko or Kira.
It does get kinda fuzzy with O'Brian, in one episode he states that he would take command of the Defiant if Worf couldn't.


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Report this Aug. 24 2009, 3:19 am

Quote (captbates @ Aug. 23 2009, 7:44 pm)
O'Brian did start off as a Lt, I think Picard calls his rank at Farpoint, or another early ep.

I dont think so.Not in "Encounter at Farpoint".

He was refered to by his postion [Conn] in that episode.

And as far as I know, in every other early episode of TNG, he was refered to a Chief.

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He did wear Lt. pips on his uniform,


That much is true.But in "Encounter at Farpoint" he wore an Ensign's pip.

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Report this Aug. 24 2009, 1:27 pm

> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (captbates @ Aug. 23 2009, 7:44 pm)> id="QUOTE">O'Brian did start off as a Lt, I think Picard calls his rank at Farpoint, or another early ep.
border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (stovokor2000 @ Aug. 23 2009, 8:19 am)

I dont think so.Not in "Encounter at Farpoint".

He was refered to by his postion [Conn] in that episode.

And as far as I know, in every other early episode of TNG, he was refered to a Chief.

:)

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Report this Aug. 24 2009, 2:37 pm

> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (stovokor2000 @ Aug. 23 2009, 8:19 am)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (captbates @ Aug. 23 2009, 7:44 pm)> id="QUOTE">O'Brian did start off as a Lt, I think Picard calls his rank at Farpoint, or another early ep.
border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (captbates @ Aug. 24 2009, 1:27 pm)

I dont think so.Not in "Encounter at Farpoint".

He was refered to by his postion [Conn] in that episode.

And as far as I know, in every other early episode of TNG, he was refered to a Chief.

:)

I'm willing to bet he was just wearing LT. pips because by his second appearance he was transferred to the Transporter room and was already being called chief.

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Report this Aug. 24 2009, 5:57 pm

> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (stovokor2000 @ Aug. 23 2009, 8:19 am)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (captbates @ Aug. 23 2009, 7:44 pm)> id="QUOTE">O'Brian did start off as a Lt, I think Picard calls his rank at Farpoint, or another early ep.
border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (captbates @ Aug. 24 2009, 6:27 pm)

I dont think so.Not in "Encounter at Farpoint".

He was refered to by his postion [Conn] in that episode.

And as far as I know, in every other early episode of TNG, he was refered to a Chief.

:)
You're right - O'Brien was called "Lieutenant" in Where Silence Has Lease.

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Report this Aug. 24 2009, 6:06 pm

> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (captbates @ Aug. 24 2009, 6:27 pm)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (stovokor2000 @ Aug. 23 2009, 8:19 am)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (captbates @ Aug. 23 2009, 7:44 pm)> id="QUOTE">O'Brian did start off as a Lt, I think Picard calls his rank at Farpoint, or another early ep.
border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (DS9TREK @ Aug. 24 2009, 5:57 pm)

I dont think so.Not in "Encounter at Farpoint".

He was refered to by his postion [Conn] in that episode.

And as far as I know, in every other early episode of TNG, he was refered to a Chief.

:)
You're right - O'Brien was called "Lieutenant" in Where Silence Has Lease.
Do you know where in the episode???

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Report this Aug. 24 2009, 6:22 pm

When worf and Riker beam over to the fake ship, I think.

And he's not the only enlisted personel mentioned, Simon Tarsus in 'The Drumhead' was a non-con nurse/orderly.

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Report this Aug. 24 2009, 6:33 pm

> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (captbates @ Aug. 24 2009, 6:27 pm)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (stovokor2000 @ Aug. 23 2009, 8:19 am)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (captbates @ Aug. 23 2009, 7:44 pm)> id="QUOTE">O'Brian did start off as a Lt, I think Picard calls his rank at Farpoint, or another early ep.
border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (DS9TREK @ Aug. 23 2009, 10:57 pm)

I dont think so.Not in "Encounter at Farpoint".

He was refered to by his postion [Conn] in that episode.

And as far as I know, in every other early episode of TNG, he was refered to a Chief.

:)
You're right - O'Brien was called "Lieutenant" in Where Silence Has Lease.
Thanks for the assist.
:)

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Report this Aug. 24 2009, 6:36 pm

Quote (Sevrin @ Aug. 24 2009, 6:22 pm)
When worf and Riker beam over to the fake ship, I think.

And he's not the only enlisted personel mentioned, Simon Tarsus in 'The Drumhead' was a non-con nurse/orderly.

Your right.

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Report this Jan. 09 2011, 1:39 pm

Keep in mind also that some of the ambiguity goes back to the beginning of Star Trek as a series. Gene had a notion in place, going back to the first pilot, that he didn't want a very strong rank structure. There was even an implication that officers were promoted in Starfleet directly from the enlisted ranks because the characters listed as Chief Petty Officers in the first pilot (Garrison and Tyler) were extremely young looking when compared to their counterparts in the modern American military of the time.

However as time pressed on and more series were created the need to explain some of these things became more and more apparent. A suggestion was given in the TNG Episode "The Drumhead" where Picard goes out of his way to ask Simon Tarsus why he didn't stay at Starfleet Academy long enough to gain a commission and opted instead to be an enlisted medic and Tarsus replied that he wanted to see the stars. So, somehow it is somewhat in the canon that Starfleet Academy accepts and trains recruits for all phases of their career. Projecting forward, it may also be the home of a "war college," which would be a graduate school for officers and/or the administration hub of advanced distance-based officer training.

So yeah, it's a mess.

As far as Miles' role in all this and why he would be a chief engineer with a rank of Senior Chief Petty Officer... there are precedents in which a sufficiently senior enlisted man would take the place of a junior officer in a small command in all branches of the military. In fact, part of the duties of a senior NCO in the modern American military is to train his butter bar on how to run a platoon sized element so that lieutenant eventually progresses to their eventual first milestone, a company or troop command. So, already knowing these things, Miles would be more than qualified for administering the biggest engineering chore on DS9 - running a large reactor and power distribution network.

And finally, keeping in mind that this is work for hire entertainment, there's always the caveat of being ready to suspend your disbelief when a writer grants any engineering character the sufficient level of deus ex machina power to make a plot twist work.

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