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Why was Enterprise hated by fans?

NextGen2085

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Report this Jun. 21 2009, 2:13 pm

I don't understand why people consider this show to be the one to kill off star trek?  I know the ratings were low but I'm really starting to get into this show.  The only thing I don't like is how the borg were introduced early on and also I started laughing when they did the episode when Zefram Cochrane pulled out a shotgun and shot the vulcans making first contact.  I think that alternate reality episode killed the series.  But for the most part I thought the characters were interesting and it was a much better show all around...Much better than voyager anyway.

twentyfour

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Report this Jun. 21 2009, 2:33 pm

I liked Enterprise. I think it was Star Trek fatigue that killed the series. It was an Oklahoma farmer whom shot a Klingon in "Broken Bow" which was the pilot episode.

whyaduck

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Report this Jun. 21 2009, 3:07 pm

24 - I think the OP was describing In a Mirror Darkly, not Broken Bow. Though, I thought the mirror episodes were terrific. Lots of fun seeing the crew totally different.

I agree. Enterprise didn't kill off Star Trek.

rab24

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Report this Jun. 21 2009, 3:15 pm

The alternate reality episode was after the series was canceled.  ST Fatigue is what killed ST. ENT just had the misfortune of being the fourth consecutive Trek.

grigori

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Report this Jun. 21 2009, 3:17 pm

everyone I know who actually watches ENT likes ENT. I've heard a lot of vague complaints from the beginning about the concept, the timing, all the areas it wasn't broadcast in (and there were many), but by the time people actually sit down to watch the show they're saying, Man, I didn't realize what I was missing (for whatever reason they'd been missing it).

twentyfour

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Report this Jun. 21 2009, 3:32 pm

Quote (whyaduck @ June 20 2009, 4:07 pm)
24 - I think the OP was describing In a Mirror Darkly, not Broken Bow. Though, I thought the mirror episodes were terrific. Lots of fun seeing the crew totally different.

I agree. Enterprise didn't kill off Star Trek.

Oh. Thanks for setting me straight. :) I haven't seen that episode yet...

WedgeBob

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Report this Jun. 21 2009, 3:45 pm

I think that it was because it threw many people off, in terms of the time it was aired, on top of that. I mean, from 1987 on to 2001, it was all sequels and spin-offs during the 24th Century. However, shortly after Voyager, here comes a "prequel" to before Star Trek all began, during the mid-22nd Century, and a lot of people didn't expect that right after Voyager like that. ?I mean, if they would've waited until about the time JJ Abrams came out with a reboot to TOS, then maybe by then a prequel like Enterprise would've made more sense, and there'd be a bit more interest in Trek again. If that would've happened, Enterprise definitely would've been far more welcome, and would've been a longer running series.  On top of that, it would've aired on a far better network.  UPN was just too underrated, and wasn't exactly the best network in terms of viewership.

rab24

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Report this Jun. 21 2009, 3:50 pm

Interesting that you had to go so far into the TNG and DS9 series before you find quality that you think would have worked for ENT. Had ENT switched with any of the other series in position, we would be in the same position with Series V having less than a full run. With the amount of fatigue that VOY left the franchise with, I'd wager that the other shows wouldn't have even made it through season 4.

Fatigue happens in almost every show after only a couple years. ST had 14 straight years prior to the beginning of ENT. Fatigue is a huge threat for any show running that long.

twentyfour

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Report this Jun. 21 2009, 3:53 pm

Quote (starbase63 @ June 20 2009, 4:39 pm)
ST Fatigue is a myth.

After 18 straight years on TV, yes there was ST Fatigue...

kai_me_a_river

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Report this Jun. 21 2009, 4:50 pm

Quote (starbase63 @ June 21 2009, 4:13 pm)
Quote (rab24 @ June 21 2009, 3:50 pm)
Interesting that you had to go so far into the TNG and DS9 series before you find quality that you think would have worked for ENT. Had ENT switched with any of the other series in position, we would be in the same position with Series V having less than a full run. With the amount of fatigue that VOY left the franchise with, I'd wager that the other shows wouldn't have even made it through season 4.

Fatigue happens in almost every show after only a couple years. ST had 14 straight years prior to the beginning of ENT. Fatigue is a huge threat for any show running that long.

It wasn't "fatiugue."

It was just lack of good writing.

Look at shows that keep consistently good stories like "Law & Order: SVU." How many seasons has that been running now?

:logical:

I think it was a mixture of both fatigue, and some poor writing.  Although we'll see how much the CSI shows have to offer in new storylines when they've been around for 40 years.

rab24

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Report this Jun. 21 2009, 5:47 pm

Quote (starbase63 @ June 21 2009, 4:13 pm)
Quote (rab24 @ June 21 2009, 3:50 pm)
Interesting that you had to go so far into the TNG and DS9 series before you find quality that you think would have worked for ENT. Had ENT switched with any of the other series in position, we would be in the same position with Series V having less than a full run. With the amount of fatigue that VOY left the franchise with, I'd wager that the other shows wouldn't have even made it through season 4.

Fatigue happens in almost every show after only a couple years. ST had 14 straight years prior to the beginning of ENT. Fatigue is a huge threat for any show running that long.

It wasn't "fatiugue."

It was just lack of good writing.

Look at shows that keep consistently good stories like "Law & Order: SVU." How many seasons has that been running now?

:logical:

So how do want to explain the huge drops in all the other series that matched ENT's ratings drop? How would you like to characterize the drop in most other shows.

Law and Order would be able to survive with almost any ratings. It is nice anecdotal evidence of something that survives despite the norm, but it isn't the quality of the writing that keeps it going. It is a show that people know they can pick up and drop at any time. I would guess a significant portion of their audience has no idea when it comes on week after week, they just come across it and can easily get into it.

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Report this Jun. 21 2009, 5:50 pm

rab, writing quality considerations aside, ENT definitely had good aspects that could only be appreciated one season arc at a time, character developments and developments in Earth's outlook too complex to depict in a single episode. and yes, many people just don't have that kind of attention span.

rab24

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Report this Jun. 21 2009, 5:58 pm

The first couple of seasons were more stand-aloneish which is when the biggest drops were. While there is more that could be appreciated as the full growth over the season is assessed, it isn't anything that the average viewer wouldn't be able to overcome.

grigori

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Report this Jun. 21 2009, 7:45 pm

I give the average viewer credit. But we're back at the variety of factors combining again.

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Report this Jun. 22 2009, 12:03 am

Quote (rab24 @ June 21 2009, 3:50 pm)
Interesting that you had to go so far into the TNG and DS9 series before you find quality that you think would have worked for ENT. Had ENT switched with any of the other series in position, we would be in the same position with Series V having less than a full run. With the amount of fatigue that VOY left the franchise with, I'd wager that the other shows wouldn't have even made it through season 4.

Fatigue happens in almost every show after only a couple years. ST had 14 straight years prior to the beginning of ENT. Fatigue is a huge threat for any show running that long.

I really agree with you! I also believe that coming off of DS9 and Voyager the Enterprise suffered from BIG comparisions...I always watch a series for it's own value,I like Enterprise for the character relationships and history of the Fed. and St. Flt.,DS9 for the darkness and characters ect....I like all Star Trek (TOS gets annoying)

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