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The Star Trek movie Gripe session..

DammitJim6200

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Report this Jun. 22 2009, 8:38 pm

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This is my first post on this Forum...

I've been a SF and Trek fan since I first saw it as a kid - and luvved every moment of it. At the time, the weekly adventures of Kirk, Spock, McCoy, et al, was a glimpse into a world I barely knew existed.

But I have to agree with "DammitJim". Especially where he stated,

DJ can't even agree with himself. ¿He liked the movie, then pussied out and decided not to like it again.

I think you "pussied " out..I'm big enough to admit this movie is CRAP, not suck up to a un-talented lackey like Abrams Knowing he made the worst Star trek movie, ever ..

Yeah it's exciting alright, but it's still crap.

DammitJim6200

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Report this Jun. 22 2009, 8:43 pm

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I'd rather the movie had been created the way Star Trek Phase II has.

The movie has so many things wrong with it you make a book!

Doc Noc
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Agreed, and what about the horrible job they did with Quinto's Spock, he's soft spoken and ?confused
you wouldn't believe he's a Commander,
and dosen't Vulcans have a gold yellow skin color, the Spock in the movie had a california sun tan,
and Vulcan's suppose to have green blood, I ?remember his blood being pretty red when he got into a fight as a kid and was bleeding..
This movie sure disgraces TOS.

the blood is green. i've watched this film a number of times and the blood is green.

spock is in control but makes the wwrong decision based on logical alone, until kirk makes him realease his grief and anger he has toward Nero..

the other things are so minor I don't consider it a disagrace..

Spock loses control and at the end come wimpering for the First Officers job again, HOW STUPID IS THAT ?
who wrote this movie ? 5 year olds ?
he should had been put in the brig or report for throwing a cadert off the ship.
And for the record Quinto dosen't look like a real Vulcan at all,
looks like a cheap imitation.

Mirrorgirl

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Report this Jun. 22 2009, 8:51 pm

Of course 'real men' don't admit they were wrong and move on do they?

Can you please let me know what a 'real Vulcan' looks like?

WkdYngMan

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Report this Jun. 22 2009, 8:52 pm

Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 22 2009, 8:38 pm)
I think you "pussied " out..I'm big enough to admit this movie is CRAP, not suck up to a un-talented lackey like Abrams Knowing he made the worst Star trek movie, ever ..

You were also big enough to admit that you liked it too.  Maybe your "really hot girlfriend" has you too confused...

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Yeah it's exciting alright, but it's still crap.


You find exciting things to be "crap?"

DammitJim6200

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Report this Jun. 22 2009, 8:54 pm

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Let's face it, this nut-fest movie from the untalented JJ Abrams is the surprise hit of the year,
But clearly this film isen't a hit with some of us fans..
Many times Abrams slap Loyalist and purist in the face claiming the movie isen't for us, "This movie isen't for fans of Star Trek."
but he's right, this lame movie isen't for us, he turned Star Trek into a immature, LOUD silly joy ride with no real story or substance, just glitter,

Showing no appreciation for the brilliant TOS whatsoever
turning Kirk and Spock into two manneqiuns with no personality..

Making Chekov into a silly annoying boy, who shouldn't be no where near a Flagship.

Turning a dignified women like Uhura into a desperate, irritating go getter.

Not to mention the horrendous new versions of Engineering, the Bridge and the Enterprise itself, clearly and insult to Matt Jefferies.

And those STUPID belts they got to carry the Phaser and communicator, Roddenberry would NEVER allowed that stupidity,

Those are just a few, I know many purist has problems with this overrated movie,
so express it here,
but be kind, JJ Abrams or some of his lackeys might be reading this and who knows we might give them good advice !

Only those who have a gripe about this dumb movie comment.. ?;)

This is my first post on this Forum...

I've been a SF and Trek fan since I first saw it as a kid - and luvved every moment of it. At the time, the weekly adventures of Kirk, Spock, McCoy, et al, was a glimpse into a world I barely knew existed.

But I have to agree with "DammitJim". Especially where he stated,

"but he's right, this lame movie isen't for us, he turned Star Trek into a immature, LOUD silly joy ride with no real story or substance, just glitter..."

It was LOUD. There was no real story or even a theme. It was lots of explosions and snarling and people dysing (albeit fictional).

I came out of the cinema going, "Wow! What a ride!"

And then the adrenaline subsided, the excitement died away... and my "sugar rush" was over. I was left feeling... empty.

What the f**k had I just seen? It was not "Star Trek" - that I'm sure of. And by "Star Trek", I'm not referring to the incidental things like getting Engineering right (but yes - it looked like a Brewery!;) or the weird thing between Uhura and Spock (?!?!;) or the contradiction of the time-travel storyline* or the lame charachterisations...

I'm talking about the spirit of STAR TREK. What used to define "Star Trek" as optimistic about the future.

Sure, we'd find aliens and have problems with them. Then we'd finds ways to overcome those problems. That was Roddenberry's vision of the future; hope.

What I saw in this movie was a kind of malevolent, hopeless, and very nasty vision of the future. It was brutish and violent.

At least with the Borg, they wanted to assimilate us for our own good.

And the Klingons - now THAT'S what I'm talking about. They were Bad Guys - until they got to know us, and we them. And then it became more positive, and the character "Worf" was born.

But can anyone please tell me what positive theme came out of this movie? Because I sure as hell couldn't find anything. Not a thing.

This wasn't Star Trek. This was some aberration; a mutation spawned from our psyche and current obssession with destruction. ?Don't believe me?

Check out BATMAN BEGINS and DARK KNIGHT. Have a look at the background shots of the destruction. Buildings, overhead rail, ships, roads - massive destruction. Lots of LOUD noise.

It's as if our attention spans have become so shortened; that the movie producers feel they need to give us *bigger bangs for our bucks*, to elicit Shock & Awe.

I've had an uneasy feeling about the blockbusters I've seen over the last five years or so.

And Star Trek has turned that unease into full-scale revulsion.

This is not Star Trek As We Know It, Jim. It is something that is... obscene. It is the Mirror Universe Star Trek - and it permeates our current entertainment industry.

I wonder what Gene Roddenberry would think of this current incarnation of his beloved star-child.

Somehow, I don't believe he would be happy...


(* If the Romulans had travelled back 184 years - why didn't they simply destroy the errant star, in this time period, BEFORE it went nova? They had the ship; the knowledge; the "Red Matter"; and Spock's assistance. Yet they go for "revenge" instead??? Why? The star hadn't destroyed Romulus yet - they could EASILY have prevented it!;)

Look, Kiwifrank, If you got a gripe about the movie fine, express it, don't pay attention to some of the Star Trek movie lovers who think this is the best thing since the invention of the wheel,

This movie is a radical departure from Star Trek, Why ?
Because Jar Jar Abrams hates Star Trek and he's trying to convert it into his "Star Wars " fantasy, buy making it,  immature, youthful silly, no real Story content, fast, loud and stupid,
Look at the best Star trek films, it's always the STORY and Characters that makes it a hit, like "The Wrath Of Khan"
and "The Voyage Home."

newKirk

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Report this Jun. 22 2009, 8:58 pm

the story was weak, had some huge plot holes, and conveniences, but the individual character moments was some of the best in the trek movies, the bridge is too busy too bright, engineering does suck, but over all it is the cast and the heart of this movie that saves it.. and more than saves it, makes it very watchable, not the best of the films but far from the worst.. fourth best, 2, 4, and 6, than 11..

DammitJim6200

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Report this Jun. 22 2009, 8:58 pm

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Quote (DammitJim6200 @ June 22 2009, 8:38 pm)
I think you "pussied " out..I'm big enough to admit this movie is CRAP, not suck up to a un-talented lackey like Abrams Knowing he made the worst Star trek movie, ever ..

You were also big enough to admit that you liked it too. ¿Maybe your "really hot girlfriend" has you too confused...

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Yeah it's exciting alright, but it's still crap.


You find exciting things to be "crap?"

Look up what I said.I said it was "Exciting" "but I
still have problems with it."

You have a problem with people changing their minds ?

The film is a big rush that's all it is and thats all it'll be.

WkdYngMan

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Report this Jun. 22 2009, 9:03 pm

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The film is a big rush that's all it is and thats all it'll be.


Oh and we don't want the film to be exciting now do we?

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Report this Jun. 22 2009, 9:25 pm

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The film is a big rush that's all it is and thats all it'll be.


Oh and we don't want the film to be exciting now do we?

Face it, wk. This movie had all the thrills of "Bridges of Madison County".

KeeRock

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Report this Jun. 22 2009, 9:29 pm

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Six words, wky?

You really impress!

Go for seven. Make a complete sentence.

Why not go for five?

Happy to see that you still care.

I'm sure Jen appreciates your workmanlike sparring here on behalf of a movie that wasn't even that memorable.

MACHMAN

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Report this Jun. 22 2009, 9:36 pm

I couldn't vote as i hated everything about it

SpaceTherapist

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Report this Jun. 22 2009, 9:38 pm

Quote (MACHMAN @ June 21 2009, 10:36 pm)
I couldn't vote as i hated everything about it

Couldn't even find one thing?

MACHMAN

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Report this Jun. 22 2009, 9:39 pm

The end :laugh:

SpaceTherapist

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Report this Jun. 22 2009, 9:41 pm

Quote (MACHMAN @ June 21 2009, 10:39 pm)
The end :laugh:

There you go, one positive thing!  :laugh: I'm sure getting our of your seat and walking out of the theater was a good part of it too. :)

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Report this Jun. 22 2009, 9:45 pm

I liked everything up until Spock and Uhura in the turbolift...then I liked everything after that, until Spock and Uhura on the transporter pad...then I liked everything after that.

Is there a pattern here? :laugh:

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