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Best season of VOY?

Dbear1

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Report this Jun. 22 2009, 1:26 pm

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Macrocosm (all hot and sweaty, mmmmm), and Workforce (she was more natural, not a captain, more likely to enjoy having fun), there's another but I can't remember the title at the moment. She had her moments though.

yeah, that's what I was expecting. I wouldnt' say she was hot, but yeah, she was awesome in those

I guess you have to look at it from a guy's perspective, babes.

Janeway had the look of an attractive woman in her late thirties early forties.  While she was not stunning, as a guy over forty myself I would likely be interested if I met her at that time in her life.

I am also am one of those guys that find Torres hotter than Seven.  It likely is partially the personalities the characters had on screen.  I personally like fiery women versus cold and arrogant women (let us be honest Seven was very arrogant when she first came on the ship).  Plus I like the more natural look for women versus the standard Hollywood blond supermodel looks.

Of course Seven¿s character was more than just her looks.  I am sure a lot of guys have different taste then I do also.

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Report this Jun. 22 2009, 1:53 pm

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I was kind of a bit dissapointed when Voyager became more of hey "lets check out how hot 7 of 9 is" every episode.

when did that happen? Not in the Voyager that I was watching

Nor mine. I seem to remember there were other characters, some I'd consider hotter than Seven. B'elanna Torres, for one.

Yeah, there were other characters that got a lot of focus too, and Janeway always had more focus and screentime than Seven did ?;)

Are you kidding me I remember when Voyager was on TV. ?Everyone was talking about how hot 7 of 9 was and my guess is the BnB brothers took advantage of that. ?If you watch the episodes where she comes in you have to agree her character was a bit over used. ?If you don't buy it re watch season 5 and 6.

I've seen the whole show many times thanks. Janeway always had the most focus she always had the most lines and the most screen time.

Her character wasn't overused as she was popular. She got extra focus in the 4th season when she was introduced because where everyone else had three previous seasons to get to know their character she didn't so they were catching up. Seasons 5 6 and 7 had a good balance between the characters

Ok...but your wrong...lol.

no, I'm not

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Report this Jun. 22 2009, 2:00 pm

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Not by my way of looking at things, murder is when you kill someone without any justifiable reason. ?If you shoot a clerk while robbing a bank that is murder, if you kill someone to take their wallet that is murder, if you kill your girlfriend because she dumped you that is murder or if you kill someone for the fun of it that is murder. ?But this situation was nothing like that.

Example that was recently in the news, the guy that shot up the Holocaust Museum was shot by the security guards, if he dies there is no way they would be charged with murder, they used the force required to carry out their duties. ?

Other examples are if you kill someone that invades your house and if you have a realistic fear for your safety that is considered justifiable in most places. ?If a bank security guard kills an armed robber it is not considered murder, or if a security guards at a nuclear power plant shoot a bunch of terrorist trying to blow it up it is not murder. ?Plus numerous other examples of were killing someone is justifiable to save lives.

Torres did not want to hit the guy and she tried to talk him down. ?This guy was obviously trying to kill her, the people on voyager and the away team. ?In fact he already had killed one of the away team earlier. ?She did what she had to do to accomplish her mission and save her ship. ?If she had not killed him it would of cost the lives of everyone on her ship and herself and the people she was responsible for on her away team.

I sure if they had plenty of time she would of tried to get him out also. ?But they barely survived the situation themselves, a situation by the way caused by the guy she killed.
. ?Remember even the Doctor admitted in Basics when talking to Sutter that violence was sometimes required. ?Believe the statement was something to the point of to save your ship and save your crewmates. ?Which this situation with Torres obviously fell into.

There is a huge difference between justifiably killing someone and murder

So when a battered woman sets her abusive husband on fire, why is that considered murder? ?Why aren't her reasons justified? ?Same if someone kills their rapist, that's also seen as murder. ?Shouldn't that be justified?

The Malon on the away team with her were the cause of the entire situation to begin with. They sent the guy down to reactor to stop the leak, well aware he would be poisoned and left for dead. ?He repeats it at ther very end of the ep. too. You're not recalling the ep. properly, it was all shown within the first 15 mins. ¿So the fact was, B'elanna ended up murdering the good guy and saving the bad ones.

no, actualy you're the one who is remembering incorrectly. The person she "murdered" at the end was the core laborer that was left for dead, the one they saw in their medical bay. He was the one that caused the leak in the first place. She did in fact kill the bad guy and save the good guys

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Report this Jun. 22 2009, 2:39 pm

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I was kind of a bit dissapointed when Voyager became more of hey "lets check out how hot 7 of 9 is" every episode.

when did that happen? Not in the Voyager that I was watching

Nor mine. I seem to remember there were other characters, some I'd consider hotter than Seven. B'elanna Torres, for one.

Yeah, there were other characters that got a lot of focus too, and Janeway always had more focus and screentime than Seven did ?;)

Are you kidding me I remember when Voyager was on TV. ?Everyone was talking about how hot 7 of 9 was and my guess is the BnB brothers took advantage of that. ?If you watch the episodes where she comes in you have to agree her character was a bit over used. ?If you don't buy it re watch season 5 and 6.

I've seen the whole show many times thanks. Janeway always had the most focus she always had the most lines and the most screen time.

Her character wasn't overused as she was popular. She got extra focus in the 4th season when she was introduced because where everyone else had three previous seasons to get to know their character she didn't so they were catching up. Seasons 5 6 and 7 had a good balance between the characters

Ok...but your wrong...lol.

no, I'm not

Have to disagree with you there.

Seven had way more episodes in five and six then the other characters.  There was some episodes were some of the main cast would have like 2 or 3 lines, in fact I know of one at least were one of the main cast was not even mentioned in let alone shown.

Seven in four seasons had more episodes then every other cast member in seven seasons.  Heck you could likely add Kim¿s and Tuvok¿s episodes and it would be less then Sevens.  Even the popular characters were pushed back into shadows at times for Seven to shine.  

Janeway had a major part in almost every episode (she was the Captain so of course she would be important to the story line), but very few actually centered on her like so many did around Seven.

I on a previous thread posted a listing of Seven episodes compared to the Doc¿s and Torres¿s (two popular characters for most people) episodes and Seven won by a substantial number over seven seasons.

Just have to say I think you are mistaken about being a balance between the characters.

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Report this Jun. 22 2009, 2:40 pm

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I was kind of a bit dissapointed when Voyager became more of hey "lets check out how hot 7 of 9 is" every episode.

when did that happen? Not in the Voyager that I was watching

Nor mine. I seem to remember there were other characters, some I'd consider hotter than Seven. B'elanna Torres, for one.

Yeah, there were other characters that got a lot of focus too, and Janeway always had more focus and screentime than Seven did ?;)

Are you kidding me I remember when Voyager was on TV. ?Everyone was talking about how hot 7 of 9 was and my guess is the BnB brothers took advantage of that. ?If you watch the episodes where she comes in you have to agree her character was a bit over used. ?If you don't buy it re watch season 5 and 6.

I've seen the whole show many times thanks. Janeway always had the most focus she always had the most lines and the most screen time.

Her character wasn't overused as she was popular. She got extra focus in the 4th season when she was introduced because where everyone else had three previous seasons to get to know their character she didn't so they were catching up. Seasons 5 6 and 7 had a good balance between the characters

Ok...but your wrong...lol.

no, I'm not

Have to disagree with you there.

Seven had way more episodes in five and six then the other characters. ¿There was some episodes were some of the main cast would have like 2 or 3 lines, in fact I know of one at least were one of the main cast was not even mentioned in let alone shown.

Seven in four seasons had more episodes then every other cast member in seven seasons. ¿Heck you could likely add Kim?s and Tuvok?s episodes and it would be less then Sevens. ¿Even the popular characters were pushed back into shadows at times for Seven to shine. ¿

Janeway had a major part in almost every episode (she was the Captain so of course she would be important to the story line), but very few actually centered on her like so many did around Seven.

I on a previous thread posted a listing of Seven episodes compared to the Doc?s and Torres?s (two popular characters for most people) episodes and Seven won by a substantial number over seven seasons.

Just have to say I think you are mistaken about being a balance between the characters.

I could post a list of the episodes and which character was focused, but there was definately more of a balance, everyone got some focus. People make it sound like it was all seven al the time and that's just not true. Seven did have the most focus under janeway, but everyone els wasn't that far behind

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Report this Jun. 22 2009, 3:53 pm

I like a challenge and a good argument, and I am kind of bored, so here is how I break down five, six and seven (four it was a given Seven would get a lot of time to get to know her). A couple I episodes I listed twice due to it being centered on two characters.

Crew oriented - Almost all the crew had fairly important parts, which I wish they would have done more often. ¿Some like Fury and Path Finder really did not have much to do with the cast at this time, but I figured it was the best place to put them.

Night - S5; In the Flesh - S5; Bride of Chaotica - S5; Course Oblivion - S5; Equinox Pt 1 - S5; Equinox Pt - S6: Dragon's Teeth - S6; Pathfinder - S6 ; Memorial - S6; Spirit Folk - S6; Live Fast and Prosper - S6; Fury - S6; Haunting of Deck Twelve - S6: Unimatrix Zero pt 1; Unimatrix Zero pt2 - S7; Repression - S7; Repentance - S7; The Void - S7; Workforce pt1 - S7; Workforce pt2; Friendship one - S7; Endgame pt 1; Endgame pt2;
Total - 22

Janeway
Counterpoint ? S5; 11:59 ? S5; Relativity - S5; Fair Haven - S6; Good Shepherd - S6; Shattered - S7; Q2 - S7;
Total - 7

Seven
Drone - S5; Infinite Regress - S5; Bliss - S5; Dark Frontier Pt 1- S5; Dark Frontier Pt. 2 - S5; Think Tank - S5; Someone to Watch Over Me - S5; Relativity - S5; Survival Instinct - S6; One Small Step - S6; Voyager Conspiracy - S6; Tsunkaste - S6; Collective - S6; Childs Play - S6; Imperfection - S7; Inside Man - S7; Body and Soul - S7; ¿Human Error - S7; Natural Law - S7;
Total - 19

Chakotay
Timeless - S5; The Fight - S5; One Small Step - S6; Shattered - S7; Natural Law - S7;
Total - 4

Paris
Thirty Days - S5; Alice - S6; Drive - S7; Linage - S7; Prophecy - S7;
Total - 5

Torres
Extreme Risk - S5; Juggernaut - S5; Barge of the Dead - S6; Muse - S6; Drive - S7; Lineage - S7; Prophecy - S7
Total - 7

Doctor
Nothing Human - S5; Latent Image - S5; Someone to Watch Over Me - S5; Warhead - S5; Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy - S6; Life Line - S6; Critical Care - S7; Body and Soul - S7; Flesh and Blood pt1 - S7; Flesh and Blood Pt2 - S7; Author, Author - S7; Renaissance Man - S7;
Total - 12

Kim
Timeless - S5; The Disease - S5; Warhead - S5; Ashes to Ashes - S6; Nightingale - S7;
Total ? ¿5 (I was surprised Kim got so many)

Nellix
Once Upon a Time - S5; Riddles - S6; Homestead - S7
Total - 3

Tuvok
Gravity - S5; Riddles - S6
Total - 2

I am sure some will disagree with how I broke this out, but I think it points why I still feel Seven?s character could have been used a bit less. ¿Some of the episodes I listed under her were very good, but I think many of the characters (including some the fans liked) were ignored a bit after Seven came aboard. ¿Plus someone listed that Seven was only behind Janeway in lines of Dialog, so that points to the fact that she was central in a lot of the episodes that were not centered on her. ¿Just my opinion of course.

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Report this Jun. 22 2009, 3:57 pm

I forget which, but there was another thread where we were breaking it down. If you go by post count it's not that huge of a difference.

I honestly don't have the desire to sort through all of it right now so I'm sorry I can't give you a good debate right now, you're not catching me on a good day. My alergy meds are kicking my butt....maybe tomorrow mornign I can give you a good debate if you like

if not then....

YOU WIN :laugh:

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Report this Jun. 22 2009, 4:00 pm

Oh no problem, hope you feel better soon.

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Report this Jun. 22 2009, 11:40 pm

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I was kind of a bit dissapointed when Voyager became more of hey "lets check out how hot 7 of 9 is" every episode.

when did that happen? Not in the Voyager that I was watching

Nor mine. I seem to remember there were other characters, some I'd consider hotter than Seven. B'elanna Torres, for one.

Yeah, there were other characters that got a lot of focus too, and Janeway always had more focus and screentime than Seven did ?;)

Are you kidding me I remember when Voyager was on TV. ?Everyone was talking about how hot 7 of 9 was and my guess is the BnB brothers took advantage of that. ?If you watch the episodes where she comes in you have to agree her character was a bit over used. ?If you don't buy it re watch season 5 and 6.

I've seen the whole show many times thanks. Janeway always had the most focus she always had the most lines and the most screen time.

Her character wasn't overused as she was popular. She got extra focus in the 4th season when she was introduced because where everyone else had three previous seasons to get to know their character she didn't so they were catching up. Seasons 5 6 and 7 had a good balance between the characters

Ok...but your wrong...lol.

no, I'm not

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