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Borg vs the Dominion

Camorite

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Report this Jun. 18 2009, 9:26 pm

Quote (Lucifer_ @ June 18 2009, 9:19 pm)
The best way I can think of would be to beam the changling onto a Borg Cube where it could be contained in a forcefield, which the Borg are more than capable of creating. A group of Borg Cubes could potentially suck up the entire Great Link in this fashion.

sorry, what i ment to say was what the end result of assimilation would look like for a changling.

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 7:50 pm

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Quote (Camorite @ June 18 2009, 7:46 pm)
What everyone seems to be forgetting is that, though their natural form is the equivalent of goo, is still a physical form, and if the borg could figure out some method of injecting their nanoprobes into them they could still be assimilated in some manner.

There is also the fact that if they cannot be assimilated that the Borg would more then likely just destroy them from orbit, and then go on to assimilate the rest of the dominion.

Either way you look at it, the Dominion is Screwed.

Even "goo" can contain individual cells, which is what the nano-probes attach themselves to. I don't have a screencap, but I do recall seeing an animated Okudagram where a nano-probe wraps its little mechanical appendages around a cell during the assimilation process, which means if it has cells, it has the potential to be assimilated.

I always found it strange that the founders had DNA. Since they can shape change, how can their cells stay intact during each shape shift? Are you sure it's made of cells? What about when they become clouds?

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 11:24 pm

Quote (Lucifer_ @ June 18 2009, 8:27 pm)
Quote (Camorite @ June 18 2009, 7:46 pm)
What everyone seems to be forgetting is that, though their natural form is the equivalent of goo, is still a physical form, and if the borg could figure out some method of injecting their nanoprobes into them they could still be assimilated in some manner.

There is also the fact that if they cannot be assimilated that the Borg would more then likely just destroy them from orbit, and then go on to assimilate the rest of the dominion.

Either way you look at it, the Dominion is Screwed.

Even "goo" can contain individual cells, which is what the nano-probes attach themselves to. I don't have a screencap, but I do recall seeing an animated Okudagram where a nano-probe wraps its little mechanical appendages around a cell during the assimilation process, which means if it has cells, it has the potential to be assimilated.

I've heard somewhere also (Though I don't recall any episode where it happened) that the Borg once assimilated a non-corporeal life form.

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Report this Jun. 27 2009, 4:50 am

I believe it'd be great to see a post-DS9 series with a Borg-Dominion war taking place.
Anyway, against the Borg, the Federation and the Alpha Quadrant powers would side with the Dominion and eventually prevale.

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Report this Jun. 27 2009, 4:55 am

Quote (Vortaborg @ June 26 2009, 11:24 pm)
I've heard somewhere also (Though I don't recall any episode where it happened) that the Borg once assimilated a non-corporeal life form.

I believe you're referring to the VOY episode The Gift.
Seven talks to Kim about Species 259, which lived in the Galactic Cluster 3, a "transmaterial energy plane intersecting 22 billion omnicordial lifeforms".

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Report this Jun. 27 2009, 10:54 pm

Quote (Frank88 @ June 27 2009, 4:55 am)
Quote (Vortaborg @ June 26 2009, 11:24 pm)
I've heard somewhere also (Though I don't recall any episode where it happened) that the Borg once assimilated a non-corporeal life form.

I believe you're referring to the VOY episode The Gift.
Seven talks to Kim about Species 259, which lived in the Galactic Cluster 3, a "transmaterial energy plane intersecting 22 billion omnicordial lifeforms".

That's kind of a contradictory statement isn't it? A transmaterial plane that is part of the galaxy? Isn't a galaxy usually in it's own universe(plane)? Is she talking about some universe WITHIN a universe? And, just because it was an energy plane doesn't mean the beings there were energy themselves.

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Report this Jun. 28 2009, 9:51 am

Quote (Vortaborg @ June 27 2009, 10:54 pm)
Quote (Frank88 @ June 27 2009, 4:55 am)
Quote (Vortaborg @ June 26 2009, 11:24 pm)
I've heard somewhere also (Though I don't recall any episode where it happened) that the Borg once assimilated a non-corporeal life form.

I believe you're referring to the VOY episode The Gift.
Seven talks to Kim about Species 259, which lived in the Galactic Cluster 3, a "transmaterial energy plane intersecting 22 billion omnicordial lifeforms".

That's kind of a contradictory statement isn't it? A transmaterial plane that is part of the galaxy? Isn't a galaxy usually in it's own universe(plane)? Is she talking about some universe WITHIN a universe? And, just because it was an energy plane doesn't mean the beings there were energy themselves.

Well, actually i don't know how a transmaterial energy plane works...and neither did Kim if i remember well..
I just tried to figure out an episode in which was mentioned an assimilation of non-corporeal life, although you're right about the fact that is not explicitly stated that species 259 is non-corporeal. In fact, i don't know how an omnicordial lifeform appears, but can be corporeal. On http://lcarsmemoryalpha.com/wiki/index.php?title=Omnicordial_lifeform, for instance, they assume it is corporeal.
Although is not clear if Borg can assimilate non-corporeal life, the fact that they can assimilate molecules, as they try to do with the omega one, suggests that they can assimilate various kind of things and not just corporeal lifeforms.

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Report this Oct. 31 2010, 12:20 pm

borg nano probes can assimilate technology right. in regeneration it should computer systems being transformed into borg technology. so why couldn't they assimilate data? the only species the borg couldn't assimilate was species 8472. data was created by a human. i don't see why the nanoprobes wouldn't affect him

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Report this Oct. 31 2010, 10:54 pm

I would love to say the Borg as they are my favourite Star Trek race. However, the Dominion were also an exciting twist on DS9, so I promise not to play favourites when I make my decision.


Hmmmm (toughie)


Let's say (before the Dominion War) the Borg come into the Gamma Quadrant. They cannot assimilate the Founders so their ultimate option would be to annialate them. Both the Vorta and the Jem'Hadar would be freaked out and probably kill each other or themselves. (I won't worry about the minor parts of the Dominion like the Karema and the Dosi)


However, the Jem'Hadar/Vorta would protect the Founders with their lives, hiding them on warships and all that jazz. The Dominion's numbers are far superior to the Borg (I imagine) because there are members of the Dominion we don't even know about.


I think the Borg have the advantage. They are cybernetic drones without a hint of doubt. They don't care about life so if the can't assimilate they will destroy. I think a Borg Cube would defeat a Jem'Hadar warship anyday.


BORG

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Report this Nov. 04 2010, 1:40 pm

i think ive seen a jem hadar borg drone. i may be mistaken. the borg has territory in the gamma quadrant so im sure theyve been assimilated. as far as assimilating a changeling, i'd say they could be assimilated. they were ravaged with that disease that time so they arent as strong as you would think. i just dont think the borg has came across them yet.

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Report this Nov. 04 2010, 7:35 pm

Borg are badass At Wolf 359 only one cube wiped out almost entire federation fleet. sent 20-30 cubes and the Dominion wouldn't know what hit them. not to mention that the Founders can't manipulate the Borg with their shapeshifting like they did to federation, klingons etc.
Its a mystery why Borg haven't already assimilated the whole alfa quadrant. O.o

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." - Albert Einstein

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Report this Nov. 05 2010, 9:34 am

According the maps in "Star Trek: Star Charts" the Borg transwarp conduits stretch into the Gamma quadrant... so, yeah. They've probably met. It's very probable in fact that the Queen sends a vessel into Dominion space occasionally, as she does with the Federation.

As to who would win... I can't say as they've both suffered terrible setbacks. The Borg have probably already recovered given their nature, but the Dominion... lost around 4,000 ships during the war.

We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again. -Captain Jean Luc Picard

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Report this Nov. 05 2010, 10:27 am

those charts dont say the borg has any territory in both alpha or beta quadrants correct? but system j25 is in the beta quadrant where the enterprise first met the borg. you would think the borg has assimilated some planets their.

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Report this Nov. 05 2010, 10:28 am

ive also wondered if the borg has left our galaxy and assimilated species in other galaxies

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Report this Nov. 05 2010, 11:16 am

Quote: JaydenJaneway @ Nov. 05 2010, 10:27 am

those charts dont say the borg has any territory in both alpha or beta quadrants correct? but system j25 is in the beta quadrant where the enterprise first met the borg. you would think the borg has assimilated some planets their.


They had annihilated at least one planet in J25 and assimilated the population, I don't think it unreasonable to assume they have a presence in the region.

We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again. -Captain Jean Luc Picard

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