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gil1964

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Report this Jun. 09 2009, 3:06 pm

Hello

I have a question,who is behind the idea of the borg

Thanks

Gil

vgrbabe

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Report this Jun. 09 2009, 3:09 pm

Welcome gil

what do you mean by this? Who created them? Who thought of them from a production standpoint?

There isn't much known about the origins of the Borg....the Queen says they've been around for thousands of years

BrotherofShran01

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Report this Jun. 09 2009, 3:23 pm

Hi gil1964. Here is a link to my favorite Star Trek resource, Memory Alpha. It has a lot of info about the Borg including my favorite borg - Seven of Nine. For me, Resistance to her beauty is futile!

Memory Alpha - The Borg

Smorgas_Borg

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Report this Jun. 09 2009, 7:26 pm

Quote (gil1964 @ June 09 2009, 3:06 pm)
Hello

I have a question,who is behind the idea of the borg

Thanks

Gil

First, Gil welcome to the boards.

Second, Whose behind was ideal for the Borg? Well that would be 7 of 9's behind of course. Her behind got a lot of screen time. Infact it became one of the main characters without ever saying a word. It might have mumbled something occasionally but I don't recall it being aired. Maybe it was aired but never shown. Does audio only count as canon?

I hope this helps with your question.

exodus201

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Report this Jun. 09 2009, 8:53 pm

Quote (Smorgas_Borg @ June 09 2009, 7:26 pm)
Quote (gil1964 @ June 09 2009, 3:06 pm)
Hello

I have a question,who is behind the idea of the borg

Thanks

Gil

First, Gil welcome to the boards.

Second, Whose behind was ideal for the Borg? Well that would be 7 of 9's behind of course. Her behind got a lot of screen time. Infact it became one of the main characters without ever saying a word. It might have mumbled something occasionally but I don't recall it being aired. Maybe it was aired but never shown. Does audio only count as canon?

I hope this helps with your question.

:laugh:

That's classic!

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Report this Jun. 09 2009, 10:36 pm

The first episode to show us the borg was written by Maurice Hurley and directed by Rob Bowman

I don' know who it was on the creative staff who conceived of the idea, though.

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Report this Jun. 09 2009, 11:15 pm

Quote (AGrey @ June 09 2009, 10:36 pm)
The first episode to show us the borg was written by Maurice Hurley and directed by Rob Bowman

I don' know who it was on the creative staff who conceived of the idea, though.


More info from Memory Alpha

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*The Borg were initially conceived by Maurice Hurley as a race of insects (which were shown in the TNG Season 1 episode "Conspiracy"), but were changed to the more budget-friendly cyborgs that went on to become so famous.
* They made their first appearance in the Star Trek: The Next Generation Season 2 episode "Q Who". Chronologically, however, their first appearance in the Star Trek universe was made in the 1996 motion picture Star Trek: First Contact, in which the Borg traveled back to the year 2063 to enslave the Human race.
* While "Q Who" featured the first appearance of the Borg, their influence could be seen as early as the TNG Season 1 episode "The Neutral Zone", in which Federation and Romulan starbases along the Romulan Neutral Zone were mysteriously wiped out. This was intended to lead into a series of episodes that would have introduced the Borg as replacements for the Ferengi as TNG's villains. Unfortunately, the Writer's Guild strike in 1988 prevented this, as well as many concepts, from coming to fruition in TNG's early days.
* The Borg were considered as an enemy for the Deep Space 9 crew, along with the Klingons, Cardassians and the Romulans, when Star Trek: Deep Space Nine was being created. Rick Berman commented "... the Borg are not the kind of bad guys that are practical to use on a regular basis". The Cardassians were eventually chosen for the main villain role and the Borg made no further appearances in Deep Space Nine after "Emissary", although they were mentioned in episodes such as "The Storyteller", "Playing God", "The Search, Part I", "The Way of the Warrior", "Let He Who Is Without Sin..." and "In Purgatory's Shadow". (Where No One Has Gone Before)
* While it is not explicitly stated in "Q Who", the overall ambition of the Borg seemed to be the acquisition of technology, not the assimilation of other species as in later episodes. While "The Best of Both Worlds" (the next TNG episode to feature the Borg) dealt with this changed premise by stating in dialog that their objectives had changed, subsequent Borg episodes would ignore it entirely.
* Similarly, Star Trek: Enterprise's "Regeneration" and Star Trek: Voyager's "Dark Frontier" episodes indicated that not only was Earth Starfleet previously aware of the existence of the Borg, Federation scientists actually pursued them ? even if they were considered mere rumor. While it is not impossible to imagine that humans might have been aware of the Borg prior to "Q Who" (especially considering the events of Star Trek: Generations and Star Trek: First Contact), it is nonetheless a strange continuity situation. Of course the problem can be vaguely explained away, stating that the events of First Contact and "Regeneration" had changed the timeline for future (Voyager) episodes, this was by no means an intention of the creators. Another explanation is that references or encounters with the Borg prior to "Q Who" were classified by Starfleet.
* The Borg were considered by some to be the greatest villains of Star Trek: The Next Generation. However, they were featured in only six episodes throughout its seven-year run. The creators have stated that this was due to the fact that the Borg were so powerful, it was not easy to come up with solutions for beating them. However, as time passed and future series went into production, the concept of the Borg would evolve to include inherent flaws that could be exploited in many different ways ? leading them to be used in nineteen episodes of Star Trek: Voyager.
* It is this generous use of the Borg as villains on Voyager that caused many fans to complain that they were being used too often. TNG, DS9 and one-time VOY writer Ronald D. Moore once said of their perceived overuse, the Borg had been defeated so many times, they had "lost their teeth". (It should be noted, though, that only a fraction of these nineteen appearances actually had them as the main villains; many episodes had them in supporting or otherwise non-outright antagonistic roles.)
* It is no wonder that even more fans were outraged by their appearance in an episode of the next Star Trek series, Enterprise. However, though there was criticism for the anachronism, that appearance actually lent itself to established continuity, though the creators dodged a bullet by simply keeping the Borg from identifying themselves.
* The Borg Queen (Star Trek: First Contact) later claimed to be present at the Battle of Wolf 359, despite the fact that she acknowledged the destruction of that ship and all the Borg on it. Her only explanation is that "You humans think in such three-dimensional terms."
* The existence of the Queen herself was a controversial change made to the Borg during the writing of First Contact. While the writers had intended to stay true to the original concept of the Borg as a collective hive, they found it difficult to maintain the dramatic impact of villains without a central face. Thus, they created the Queen.
* While the Queen appeared to be killed at the climax of First Contact, the Borg would appear to have survived unaffected by their next appearance in Voyager's "Scorpion". While many fans have attempted to reconcile this, there has never been an official explanation for the Borg's survival (save for the Queen's enigmatic comment, as seen above), and the appearance of relatively identical Borg Queens in later episodes. Some, though, have theorized that the Borg Collective contained many queens that served as focal points to different branches of their society. Still another explanation is that the Borg were in possession of innumerable copies of the Borg Queen and that the superficial death of one version simply resulted in the activation in a similar version to take her place, in a similar fashion to the Vorta. This latter theory was corroborated by Rick Berman in an interview in Star Trek: Communicator.

* In 2006, the Borg were honored with their own DVD box set Star Trek: Fan Collective - Borg, featuring a number of their more memorable appearances in the Star Trek universe.

gil1964

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Report this Jun. 10 2009, 5:44 pm

thank you all....when I asked the question i ment who created the borg ...was it brannon braga?

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Report this Jun. 10 2009, 6:07 pm

Quote (gil1964 @ June 10 2009, 5:44 pm)
thank you all....when I asked the question i ment who created the borg ...was it brannon braga?

You might want to read BrotherofShran01's post above your last post in the section "more info from memory alpha" it appears to explain all of it...  :logical:

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Report this Jun. 11 2009, 1:30 pm

Thank you all

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Report this Jun. 16 2009, 4:18 am

i just  had a thought. i wonder if whoever created the borg knows that if you put a dot on the g it's a maltese surname.

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Report this Jun. 16 2009, 4:49 pm

Quote (gil1964 @ June 09 2009, 3:06 pm)
Hello

I have a question,who is behind the idea of the borg

They were created by Dr. Kit Pedler and Gerry Davis in 1966. Back then they were called "Cybermen." ¿:laugh:

AGrey

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Report this Jun. 16 2009, 9:31 pm

While we've got a topic about it, does anyone else here think that adding the queen was the worst thing that ever happened to the borg (in terms of the franchise, not in terms of the universe)?

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Report this Jun. 16 2009, 9:36 pm

She could have been the head of some other race, but either way, I really like the Borg Queen.

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Report this Jun. 16 2009, 9:37 pm

Quote (AGrey @ June 16 2009, 9:31 pm)
While we've got a topic about it, does anyone else here think that adding the queen was the worst thing that ever happened to the borg (in terms of the franchise, not in terms of the universe)?

No.

Adding the Queen turns the Borg from a flat concept to a phylosophical debate. ¿It goes from: "the Borg are of one mind" to "who's one mind is dominate over the Borg?"

TNG "Decent" illustrated the Borg need a leader for them to organize and function. It 's makes the Borg equal to slaves being captured and subjected to their master, the Queen.  It equates the Borg to human trafficers,making them identifable on a global scale rather than just their sci-fi tech aspect.

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