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STAR TREK XI - likes and dislikes

01101001

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Report this Jun. 07 2009, 8:24 pm

Tell me what you liked about the new movie and why, same as what you didn't like and why, it's simple. I'll start.

The more I watch the movie the better it gets.

Like - that Leonard Nimoy reads "Space the final frontier" at the end, they have that sound bite now.
Like - Captain Pike, he's witty, direct and very well spoken.
Like - Nero, master class acting, love the part when he yells "fire everything"
Like - the way the technology is presented, consoles and the bridge.
Like - Uhura plays a great part in the movie.
Like - Chekov, differently portrayed russian, wunderkind.
Like - Spocks sense of humor, "roam the halls weeping" part is super. Love the scene between two spocks, Leonard is star trek.
Like - Scotty and how he's portrayed. Simor Pegg owns. Original Scotty is awesome too.
Like - scenes where young Spock is tested.
Like - The new transported pad, the bottom part especially.
Like - Space station and how Enterprise looks upclose, also the part where the Enterprise avoids debris and maneuvers through space. It's the most realistic experience so far.
Like - Music is great in the movie, really brings the film alive.
Like - the mind-meld flashback, maybe the best scene in the movie.
Like - new materialization effects.
Like - how they portrayed worp core ejection.
Like - the fight scene between Spock and Kirk, love Spock fighting style.

Dislike - how black hole is presented.
Dislike - Story line about time travel, but I figure it was meant to  explain the fresher bridge and the newer look.
Dislike - That there are two Spocks in one time line.
Dislike - That Kirk made captain so young - again may have been necessary to complete story line. It's true Kirk was born to command but...

Will probably think of more as time goes by. Feel free to comment or not. Speak your mind. Live long and prosper.

PowerLeaves

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Report this Jun. 07 2009, 8:33 pm

I pretty much like the whole thing aside from a couple of small things, so I'll post my dislikes only.

I didn't like that Kirk became was made Captain so fast
I didn't like that Uhura didn't have sleeves (how are we supposed to know her rank?)
I didn't like that Kirk "emotionally compromised" Spock so easily and what he was saying to Spock pretty much made no sense

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Report this Jun. 07 2009, 8:38 pm

Quote (PowerLeaves @ June 06 2009, 9:33 pm)
I didn't like that Kirk "emotionally compromised" Spock so easily and what he was saying to Spock pretty much made no sense

Fair enough.
I'll tell you how I saw it.

Since no one on this planet ever lost his/her planet and Mother at the same time, I don't know how Spock was feeling. Also having melded with Spock prime, Kirk had insider knowledge on Spock.

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Report this Jun. 07 2009, 8:40 pm

Good point about the mind-meld, I certainly didn't think of that. I guess it was more the dialogue and the way the scene was written that I didn't like about it. To be fair I loved Spock knocking Kirk around like that.

So actually scratch that dislike and:

Like Spock beating the bullsh*t out of Kirk.

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Report this Jun. 07 2009, 10:55 pm

I'll 6 of each.

like: the new ship phasers/torpedoes
      Kirk making captain even younger
      the new crew
      the new warp effect
      the evasive scene
      the new transporter effect
      the ship
      the uniforms
      the 2 spocks
      the villain

dislike: kirk got beat up all the time
         TOS is gone
         spocks mom dying
         vulcan gone
         the new flip phaser pistols

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Report this Jun. 08 2009, 12:04 am

Quote (tribblenator999 @ June 06 2009, 11:55 pm)
I'll 6 of each.

like: the new ship phasers/torpedoes
      Kirk making captain even younger
      the new crew
      the new warp effect
      the evasive scene
      the new transporter effect
      the ship
      the uniforms
      the 2 spocks
      the villain


Thanks for posting.
What evasive scene?
I also like the new warp effect, phasers/torpedoes sweet.


Quote (tribblenator999 @ June 06 2009, 11:55 pm)

dislike: kirk got beat up all the time
         TOS is gone
         spocks mom dying
         vulcan gone
         the new flip phaser pistols


I don't consider TOS gone. I think I know what you mean but the beauty of it is that if TOS was really gone then ST-XI wouldn't exist. My two cents anyway.

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Report this Jun. 08 2009, 4:45 am

I liked:

The new cast, all very good in their roles, especially Pine, Quinto,Yelchin and Urban
The Kelvin and it's crew, would love to see more of Robau and George Kirk
The humour and the one-liners
The CGI was very good

Did not like:

Engineering
iBridge
Big Red Monster
Spock/Uhura storyline

Overall I found the film to be full of Star Treky goodness, fun, drama, character and teamwork

tribblenator999

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Report this Jun. 08 2009, 11:40 am

Quote (01101001 @ June 08 2009, 12:04 am)
Quote (tribblenator999 @ June 06 2009, 11:55 pm)
I'll 6 of each.

like: the new ship phasers/torpedoes
¿ ¿ ¿ Kirk making captain even younger
¿ ¿ ¿ the new crew
¿ ¿ ¿ the new warp effect
¿ ¿ ¿ the evasive scene
¿ ¿ ¿ the new transporter effect
¿ ¿ ¿ the ship
¿ ¿ ¿ the uniforms
¿ ¿ ¿ the 2 spocks
¿ ¿ ¿ the villain


Thanks for posting.
What evasive scene?
I also like the new warp effect, phasers/torpedoes sweet.


Quote (tribblenator999 @ June 06 2009, 11:55 pm)

dislike: kirk got beat up all the time
¿ ¿ ¿ ¿ ¿TOS is gone
¿ ¿ ¿ ¿ ¿spocks mom dying
¿ ¿ ¿ ¿ ¿vulcan gone
¿ ¿ ¿ ¿ ¿the new flip phaser pistols


I don't consider TOS gone. I think I know what you mean but the beauty of it is that if TOS was really gone then ST-XI wouldn't exist. My two cents anyway.

when the enterprise comes out of warp in vulcan and evades the huge debris field that was the assault fleet.
That was insane piloting there for a ship as big as the sovereign class.

Well since there can only be one timeline in any given universe, with this reboot, TOS is gone. the movies are gone. Kirk will never go to the 20th century to bring back whales, no amok time, fight Khan, lose the enterprise, or kill GOD, or be taken to rura penthe, a new chain of events will unfold.

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Report this Jun. 08 2009, 3:34 pm

Quote (tribblenator999 @ June 07 2009, 12:40 pm)
when the enterprise comes out of warp in vulcan and evades the huge debris field that was the assault fleet.
That was insane piloting there for a ship as big as the sovereign class.

Well since there can only be one timeline in any given universe, with this reboot, TOS is gone. the movies are gone. Kirk will never go to the 20th century to bring back whales, no amok time, fight Khan, lose the enterprise, or kill GOD, or be taken to rura penthe, a new chain of events will unfold.

Those are good points.

Insane piloting yes, but great viewing.

My view is that those chain of events (Kirk will never go to the 20th century to bring back whales, no amok time, fight Khan, lose the enterprise, or kill GOD, or be taken to rura penthe, Picard at wolf 359, DS9 being occupied be Cardassians) lead up to Spock prime going back and creating this new time line. If they never happen then this time line also wouldn't exist. I think of time more as cycle then a straight line. Whatever it is Spock prime decided that this time line is good enough or maybe better, but without the old one this one is meaningless. So in this sense TOS isn't gone, TOS was the medium for STAR TREK to get to this point of evolution. It all depends on how you imagine the fourth dimension (time) of what we know so little about.

To me the positive thing is that we will watch a new chain of events unfolding in HDTV. :)

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Report this Jun. 08 2009, 4:11 pm

Also, for example, these Klingons are this way because of the evolution of Star Trek.
They have always had forehead ridges it's just that in the early days all the kinks haven't been figured out yet.


Also the easy solution for this time line stuff is to go back and kill nero for example, that would theoretically put everything right. And this new crew can have the prime time cycle to write upon, figuratively speaking. Evolution has taken us to this point, we should boldly go where no man has gone before. :)

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Report this Jun. 08 2009, 7:38 pm

Loved everything except the big red monster.  The first monster could have sufficed.

I even loved the lighting effects (glare, etc.).

Oh and I loved, LOVED the music (large orchestral/old school) and the sound effect blips and bleeps.

Next time around: More of the same please! (Except no big monsters.  Leave that to Michael Bay and Co.)

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Report this Jun. 08 2009, 7:40 pm

I don't think Starfleet would allow a cadet who is on academic suspension get promoted to Captain over other qualified senior officers. No way, not going to happen. Starfleet has always been modeled after the US Navy and it's always who's next up for promotion. As to Capt Pike, the guy was almost killed in a reactor accident thus, he couldn't talk or move on his own - had to use a special interactive wheel chair.

Star Trek XI is just another Hollywood rip-off but, as rip-offs go it ain't that bad. Just couldn't get past how blatant some of the "literary license" was. Romulans with tatoos? And what happened to traditional Romulan ship design? Especially since Spock supposedly came from the TNG timeline.

Suck it up and move on I guess. Nothin lasts forever.

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Report this Jun. 08 2009, 8:14 pm

Lens Flare = bad :p

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Report this Jun. 08 2009, 8:44 pm

I is what I liked about the movie:

The new Starfleet uniforms
The new crew (Kirk, Spock, Dr. McCoy, Uhura, Sulu, Chekov, Scotty)
George & Winona Kirk
The scenes about Spock's childhood
Spock's refusal to enter the Vulcan Science Academy
The way George Kirk faced his death (taking the fight to Nero and covering his crew's escape)
Sulu's hi tech sword
The way the ship entered and traveled at warp
The Bridge View screen :cool:

What I dislike about the movie:

Amanda dying
Vulcan being blown up
The way the Romulans killed Captain Robau (stunt double, You can't kill Captain Robau ;) )
The design of the USS Enterprise (I loved the prime universe ship and its design & refit. I'm very picky about Starship designs)
Lack of believable defense of Vulcan (what happen to ground base defenses)
The rest of the bridge (keep the Main monitor, and go with the Kelvan's design for the rest)

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Report this Jun. 08 2009, 10:44 pm

Thanks for posting people.

Quote (TastyCereal @ June 07 2009, 8:38 pm)
Loved everything except the big red monster.  The first monster could have sufficed.


What big red monster?

Quote (MrBOsburn @ June 07 2009, 8:40 pm)
Romulans with tatoos? And what happened to traditional Romulan ship design? Especially since Spock supposedly came from the TNG timeline.


I guess that Nero spent 25 years preparing for his revenge, he could have gotten a tatoo during this period. As for the Romulan ship, well it's not part of the Romulan military, it's a mining ship. That would explain it's design. On the other hand I did think that that ship was over elaborate, but it looked nice.

Quote (BrotherofShran01 @ June 07 2009, 9:44 pm)
Lack of believable defense of Vulcan (what happen to ground base defenses)

This in my opinion is a really good point.


If anyone has time these links are talking about time cycles and "Star Trek XI Inconsistencies". I'm still to read them whole.

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=92813 -  Three Universes? - Romulan Ships - Spoilers

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsi....kxi.htm - Star Trek XI Inconsistencies

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