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MojoRisin

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Report this Jan. 09 2010, 1:35 am

Quote (starbase63 @ Jan. 08 2010, 8:10 am)
Quote (DeanEvans @ Dec. 21 2009, 6:28 pm)
I'd like an honest answer. ?Has anything actually occurred in the Star Trek (2009) movie that altered the tv/movie franchise?

TV franchise, and the previous 10 movies? No.

ST:XI takes place in a new timeline that splits off from the original, or prime, timeline, in 2233.

The events of the movie have no bearing or effect on anything that has already happened in previous Star Trek.

Reality is, Star Trek is now owned by CBS Studios Inc, who hold the copyrights, trademarks and TV and licensing rights to the franchise. Paramount Pictures now makes Star Trek movies through agreements with CBS. Teh new timeline was almost a necessity.

:logical:

I don't think I would even consider it a timeline branching off from the original.  I'm sure this has been brought up before, but, if you knotice the insignia on the uniforms on Kirk's fathers ship, they're all the famous "arrowhead" symbols, well in the "original" timeline Kirk's Enterprise was the only one to wear that symbol, it was adopted by the rest of Starfleet after their original 5 year mission.  My theory is that the original Spock not only went back in time, but to a seperate dimention as well.  

Not to mention the fact that many things don't parallel the original timeline, like Spock being the first officer of the Enterprise before Kirk came aboard, the uniforms worn in the first season of the original series seem to be skipped over completly, etc.  Of course all of that could be explained away as being changed by Nero destroying Kirks fathers ship.

TrekFan1701E

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Report this Jan. 12 2010, 8:44 pm

I wonder how much has changed in the 24th Century as far as technology goes and if Earth goes? Does it look different than the TNG prime universe that we know? Maybe no more LCARS systems? Orci said that the Kelvin's ships took scans of Nero's vessel and backward engineered it. That is how the new Enterprise looks different.

Sorry I wondered about making this a separate post so I deleted it but decided not to do it.

hornickmatt

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Report this Jan. 23 2010, 3:23 pm

I have been abstaining from posting a comment because of how upset I was and how dissappointed I was with the new star trek movie. I am 41 and I have been a star trek fan for 35 years. No one can defend saying that an alernate reality is "a way of having new adventures in our favorite old star trek universe."
I went into the movie excited about seeing a new movie about the early adventures of the crew tieing into the series. I came out feeling betrayed, bewildered, and thoroughly sick. Captain Kirk is an icon in the star trek universe. Now he is nothing more than a ####ed stupid punk. A punk that didn't live on Tarsus and go through the nightmare of kodos the executioner. A stupid punk who didn't EARN a commendation for original thinking.This movie did not do star trek justice in any way. This was all about money. To hell with the fans who have followed the storyline throughout the years. Who cares about 44 years of history. We want to draw in a younger crowd so we can make more money.
The sad thing is this movie could have been so good and managed to twist and turn but still tie into the original series storyline. There are PLENTY of new stories that could have been told and still stayed true to the original. Instead, it was one of the stupidest plots I have seen, bad acting by Eric Bana, and a complete lack of respect for being true to the characters and their personalities. Star Trek the motion picture, even though was bad, had a better plot than this movie did, and it at least tied into the series and timeline.
Whether you agree with me or not, making this movie, no matter how you want to rationalize it, was a betrayal to the fans. It was uncalled for as well. Especially when you could have had the best of both worlds, old and new, but they decided to throw away the old instead. Sad.
I could see several more movies with GREAT plots and even some next generation movies in between. What's the point of anymore, now?
Here is a solution. Make two new star trek movies. One that sticks to the original timeline and story and doesn't throw away 44 years of fans. And one in hollywoods alternate reality series so new fans can go ooh and ahh. Then people can go see the one they want.

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Report this Jan. 24 2010, 1:47 am

My take on the reboot of Star Trek is not to keep digging up old actors and story lines (at least not without a major twist or two in them).

Smallville leads the way in the sense that it breaks with the traditional cookie cutter Superman saga and makes the characters more... real. More possible...

Face it, turning the world clock back a day in SUP I and flying a continent out into space in SUP RETurns is a bit ridiculous... and those circus tights and flapping cape...

I am with Edna (the Incredibles) on this one...



"NO CAPES!"

Give my storyline a read. See what you think. I do bring in some old scripts but with twists that alternative universes would have. And it ends up concluding the other time line with the oldest Star Trek member of TOS and severs the ties with the reboot freeing it up to thrill us with many years of fresh Star Trek movies or TV shows to come... with updated capabilities and greater expansion of range for travel, exploration, imagination.

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Report this Jan. 29 2010, 10:25 am

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i am with hornickmatt on this one all the way, as one who has been a fan since 1966.

This explains your unmerited thread about the film's make believe failure that you repeated.

optigrab

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Report this Mar. 08 2010, 12:40 am

how do you pin or unpin threads?  this one should be fading into history already.

cptdon

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Report this Mar. 08 2010, 3:22 pm

As much as I did not like about this last movie, it would be worth it to see a mirror mirror theme movie where the USS Enterprise (from the new uni) meets up with the ISS (any ship) that looks true to the TOS look and storyline. I don't trust they would get it all right, but it could be a site worth seeing.

I own the new movie and enjoy it for what it is. Not that I think it is much.

optigrab

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Report this Mar. 08 2010, 8:41 pm

i have to mirror that emotion.  In a way though, the movie renders it impossible for Mirror Earth to get access to advanced warp technology because the incident where the Defiant slides into Mirror space doesn't happen in this telling of Star Trek.   So perhaps the ISS can invade using a bunch of decaying NX class ships.

cptdon

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Report this Mar. 08 2010, 9:45 pm

Quote (optigrab @ Mar. 08 2010, 8:41 pm)
i have to mirror that emotion. ¿In a way though, the movie renders it impossible for Mirror Earth to get access to advanced warp technology because the incident where the Defiant slides into Mirror space doesn't happen in this telling of Star Trek. ¿ So perhaps the ISS can invade using a bunch of decaying NX class ships.

Sure, but if you go with what the producers of this last flick say, and that this universe is different from the prime universe, all we are really seeing in Trek 2009 is a mirror universe of sorts. All three universes exist and can be pulled from at any time, theoretically of course.

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Report this Mar. 11 2010, 12:02 am

Quote (MojoRisin @ Jan. 09 2010, 1:35 am)
I don't think I would even consider it a timeline branching off from the original. ¿I'm sure this has been brought up before, but, if you knotice the insignia on the uniforms on Kirk's fathers ship, they're all the famous "arrowhead" symbols, well in the "original" timeline Kirk's Enterprise was the only one to wear that symbol, it was adopted by the rest of Starfleet after their original 5 year mission.

Thats not exactly correct.

The season 1 episode of TOS "Court Martial" showed crew members of other ships that wore the famous Arrow head insignia.

They were all seated at different table at the bar located at the starbase that was investigating the death of Ben Finny.

And they had to be from other ships because Kirk commented on not having seen some of those guys in a long while.
And that was long before the end of Kirks 5 year mission.

So it appears that the Enterprise and the Kelvin were not the only ships to use the same insignia.

cptdon

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Report this Mar. 11 2010, 2:32 am

Quote (stovokor2000 @ Mar. 11 2010, 12:02 am)
Quote (MojoRisin @ Jan. 09 2010, 1:35 am)
I don't think I would even consider it a timeline branching off from the original. ?I'm sure this has been brought up before, but, if you knotice the insignia on the uniforms on Kirk's fathers ship, they're all the famous "arrowhead" symbols, well in the "original" timeline Kirk's Enterprise was the only one to wear that symbol, it was adopted by the rest of Starfleet after their original 5 year mission.

Thats not exactly correct.

The season 1 episode of TOS "Court Martial" showed crew members of other ships that wore the famous Arrow head insignia.

They were all seated at different table at the bar located at the starbase that was investigating the death of Ben Finny.

And they had to be from other ships because Kirk commented on not having seen some of those guys in a long while.
And that was long before the end of Kirks 5 year mission.

So it appears that the Enterprise and the Kelvin were not the only ships to use the same insignia.

I think you right about that episode, but I just chalked that up to budget and lack of developement, but it was on screen. Then again they did e d up going with every ship different patch. It is like the uniforms in the Cage, they were different because they were in developement.

stovokor2000

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Report this Mar. 11 2010, 2:35 pm

Quote (cptdon @ Mar. 11 2010, 2:32 am)
Quote (stovokor2000 @ Mar. 11 2010, 12:02 am)
Quote (MojoRisin @ Jan. 09 2010, 1:35 am)
I don't think I would even consider it a timeline branching off from the original. ?I'm sure this has been brought up before, but, if you knotice the insignia on the uniforms on Kirk's fathers ship, they're all the famous "arrowhead" symbols, well in the "original" timeline Kirk's Enterprise was the only one to wear that symbol, it was adopted by the rest of Starfleet after their original 5 year mission.

Thats not exactly correct.

The season 1 episode of TOS "Court Martial" showed crew members of other ships that wore the famous Arrow head insignia.

They were all seated at different table at the bar located at the starbase that was investigating the death of Ben Finny.

And they had to be from other ships because Kirk commented on not having seen some of those guys in a long while.
And that was long before the end of Kirks 5 year mission.

So it appears that the Enterprise and the Kelvin were not the only ships to use the same insignia.

I think you right about that episode, but I just chalked that up to budget and lack of developement, but it was on screen. Then again they did e d up going with every ship different patch. It is like the uniforms in the Cage, they were different because they were in developement.

Who really knows.

The odd thing with that episode is that the starbase personal all had a different insignia.

So they obviously already had the idea in mind for different types of insignia for some.

SupremeAdmiralBeviKathiK

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Report this Apr. 15 2010, 7:15 pm

I'm not too keen on the direction the film took so I hold dear the alternate realities theory

optigrab

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Report this Apr. 17 2010, 10:33 pm

Quote (SupremeAdmiralBeviKathiK @ April 15 2010, 5:15 pm)
I'm not too keen on the direction the film took so I hold dear the alternate realities theory

i hear you.  and agree.

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Report this Apr. 23 2010, 9:53 am

Quote (johnd777 @ Jan. 24 2010, 1:47 am)
My take on the reboot of Star Trek is not to keep digging up old actors and story lines (at least not without a major twist or two in them).

Smallville leads the way in the sense that it breaks with the traditional cookie cutter Superman saga and makes the characters more... real. More possible...

Face it, turning the world clock back a day in SUP I and flying a continent out into space in SUP RETurns is a bit ridiculous... and those circus tights and flapping cape...

I am with Edna (the Incredibles) on this one...



"NO CAPES!"

Give my storyline a read. See what you think. I do bring in some old scripts but with twists that alternative universes would have. And it ends up concluding the other time line with the oldest Star Trek member of TOS and severs the ties with the reboot freeing it up to thrill us with many years of fresh Star Trek movies or TV shows to come... with updated capabilities and greater expansion of range for travel, exploration, imagination.

Hey isn't she on NCIS or something :eyesroll:

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