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photoartist66

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Report this May. 23 2009, 12:51 am

This is film is yet to be a bigger grosser than the others. Remember , tickets cost more now than hey did in 1979 or 1982. This film will have to make 300 million to pass star trek 2.

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Report this May. 23 2009, 3:35 pm

^^ It will have to make more than $249 Million to pass TMP's domestical total.

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Report this May. 23 2009, 4:10 pm

Quote (loveroftrekmen @ May 16 2009, 12:50 am)
I think it's insulting to old trek fans to try and stay in a used up timeline when we can start something fresh to explore a new love for the show, new connections, and new relations to our loved universe of Trek.

The question that came to my mind is; if the new movie is set in an alternative reality rather than the "real" Star Trek Universe with an altered timeline, can it be deemed to be Star Trek as opposed to 'based on Star Trek'??

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Report this May. 24 2009, 11:03 pm

The reason behind the whole alternate realty is ......  JJ abrams is a joke.   They couldnt write a decent script.  they are morons.   That's the only way they can make a movie.......how sad.   It could of been great.

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Report this May. 27 2009, 12:21 am

MARK MY WORDS!!!!! THIS NEW TIMELINE IS THE EQUIVALENT OF A SCHISM IN THE STAR TREK FANBASE! WHAT J.J. AND HIS BUDDIES ARE SAYING TO THE OLD TREK FANS IS, "YOU CAN HAVE YOUR TREK, BUT SO CAN WE! WE DON'T WANT YOU GUYS PREACHING AT US, SO THERE, I'M DRAWING A LINE. STAY ON YOUR SIDE AND DON'T BOTHER US. THIS PROPERTY DOESN'T BELONG TO YOU GUYS. WE CAN MAKE TREK FUN, PROFITTABLE, AND COOL."

J.J., YOU ARE A DIVIDER, NOT A UNITER.

PEACE TO ALL.

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Report this May. 27 2009, 2:40 pm

Quote (trekkiebill_1961 @ May 21 2009, 2:56 am)
As an action movie to those that know absolutely nothing about Star Trek, it was an ok movie. For a real Star Trek fan, this was crap. This was lazy writing done by writers that know very little about Star Trek and lame acting at it's best. Hell, even Abrams admitted his lack of Star Trek knowledge. The one redeeming character was Spock, who somewhat accurately showed Spock's human/vulcan inner struggle. Any writer worth his salt could have written a prequel that keeps the time line intact. What a cop out and total lack of respect for one of the most enduring franchises in history. Even I could make up a story and simply attribute it to the alternate time line. Looks like it's reruns for me.

:idea: Speaking of reruns; I started re-watching TOS from the beginning a few days ago, after seeing the movie, and some of JJ's references kind of popped out. It makes sense that he would [only?] borrow from the beginning since it is an alternate timeline. And yes, there is plenty of old trek, if you don't like the new movie, don't watch any new stuff....problem solved. If some 'trekkers' really have some good ideas, come up with your own funding and make a movie. If its good...they will come, I certainly would. Next.

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Report this May. 28 2009, 8:07 pm

Here we go!!! The straight lace Star trek fans thinking JJ Abrams is Star warsing Star trek. I Grew up Watching Star trek. Infact my Dad bought Videos of the original Series from the sixties when I was A kid. I remember watching Trouble with Tribbles over and Over again.
But I'm Also A Star Wars fan. I will say this J.J. Abrams Version of Trek may look Like Star Wars. But I felt more like I was watching Star Trek than Star Wars. ¿My Uncle is a big Star Trek fan and Even he loved the Abrams version. I understand you are Purists and don't like the fact that the Time line was mess'd up. But look how the Star wars fans thought of the Prequels. I mean Lucas Digitally Replaced Anikens face with Hayden Christenson in The DVD version of the Original Star wars Trillogy (you bet I was mad about that). But look even you Purists will admit that nemesis was a lame @$$ attempt for a Star trek Movie. I will just say this Shattner (a big Star trek fan now) likes this movie, and even ¿ ¿Gene Roddenberry's own son Rod Approves. So to be Upset about star trek XI is like trying to be a mean Ferengi trying to sell old warp cores.
I say this be like a Klingon and keep your Honor, and if you liked nemesis more than the new trek I say this "Vengeance is a Dish Best served cold."

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Report this May. 29 2009, 9:55 pm

Quote (rayjay99 @ May 28 2009, 8:07 pm)
Here we go!!! The straight lace Star trek fans thinking JJ Abrams is Star warsing Star trek. I Grew up Watching Star trek. Infact my Dad bought Videos of the original Series from the sixties when I was A kid. I remember watching Trouble with Tribbles over and Over again.
But I'm Also A Star Wars fan. I will say this J.J. Abrams Version of Trek may look Like Star Wars. But I felt more like I was watching Star Trek than Star Wars. ?My Uncle is a big Star Trek fan and Even he loved the Abrams version. I understand you are Purists and don't like the fact that the Time line was mess'd up. But look how the Star wars fans thought of the Prequels. I mean Lucas Digitally Replaced Anikens face with Hayden Christenson in The DVD version of the Original Star wars Trillogy (you bet I was mad about that). But look even you Purists will admit that nemesis was a lame @$$ attempt for a Star trek Movie. I will just say this Shattner (a big Star trek fan now) likes this movie, and even ? ?Gene Roddenberry's own son Rod Approves. So to be Upset about star trek XI is like trying to be a mean Ferengi trying to sell old warp cores.
I say this be like a Klingon and keep your Honor, and if you liked nemesis more than the new trek I say this "Vengeance is a Dish Best served cold."

Star Dreck: Frat Boys in Space certainly did not work for me, but I am glad your uncle was thrilled. It's not a matter of being an odd ball purist to note that it is illogical to accept that an ensign fresh from the academy would be promoted to captain based on one action, regardless of what that action might be. It was a stupid script that could easily been  made sense had the writers had even a modicum of respect for the material, or the characters, or the audience. And yes, it looked like a cheap knock-off Star Wars clone.

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Report this May. 30 2009, 5:04 pm

Quote (anderbilt @ May 30 2009, 4:54 pm)
another alternate reality in Generations -
After the Enterprise "B" is hit by the plasma bolt, Kirk offers to fix the deflector, but Captain Harriman instead puts Kirk in command as he runs for the deflector dish. ¿
Harriman is instead sucked into the Nexus, where he realizes the potential for going back in time to fix past mistakes. ¿ Harriman formulates a plan. ¿
He appears inside of the spacious garage of a suburban Chicago Illinois home. ¿Next to him is a Ferrari convertible with the back end jacked up, going furiously in reverse. ¿ Harriman quickly reaches in and shuts off the motor, just as the car falls off the jack. ¿
The sound of the car falling makes three teenagers turn around in a panic. ¿Harriman walks up to the tallest teen, slaps him on the forehead and says "you owe me one, butthead."

You know THAT house and garage just went on the market for a cool $2,300,000 or $11,545 per month.

Star Dreck: The Farris Bueller Years

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Report this May. 31 2009, 10:59 pm

You know this thread was suppose to be fun.

Alternate realities:

McCoy complains vehemently to Capt. Kirk when a medicine man's opium-laden "cure-all" nearly kills an infant girl. Kirk initially finds himself unable to intervene legally, but he is finally able to do so when abuse of the elixir results in the death of an elderly man. Spock finds the whole thing fascinating.

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Report this Jun. 01 2009, 1:31 am

Spock, Kirk, and McCoy answer a distress call and find themselves on a planet of people dressed in ancient grecian drag, and one midget. After curing the head grecian guy, McCoy and company are manhandled by mental telepathy and made to perform unmentionable acts (Spock does a Flamenco dangerously close to a prone Kirk's head. And then, the telepathic bastards beam down Christine Chapel and Ohura, as love tokens for Kirk and Spock. Oddly, Spock who kinda sorta has a crush on Chapel, who definitely has a crush on Spock, are not thrilled when forced to kiss and then---hey, wait a minute, they did this one already.

See Spock Dance. Dance Spock Dance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNZr7XTmmF4

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Report this Jun. 01 2009, 9:54 pm

Quote (anderbilt @ June 01 2009, 8:45 pm)
yeah, but in this version kirk and alexander exchange bodies, and suddenly alexander is able to be KING of the Academicians. ¿it adds a comic touch in the TOS final filmed episode when Janice Lester has to think twice about swapping bodies with the shortest fleet captain in Star Fleet.

One can never have too many body swapping episodes.

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Report this Jun. 02 2009, 10:46 am

There are several indications that Spock and the Nero travelled to a parallel reality to begin with.

1. Starfleet
- Captain Pike describes it as a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada. While in the prime universe it does serve as the military its primary function is exploration. This could be indicative of the difference between the two organizations principles. At time PU Starfleet's hands are tied from humanitarian and peace keeping work due to the Prime Directive.
- USS Kelvin's crew complement is 800. The PU Constitution class's crew complement is 430 and is considered the biggest Starfleet ship of its era. This could be indicative of different design philosophies between PU Starfleet and AU Starfleet.

2. Klingon Neutral Zone
- The movie mentioned a Klingon Neutral Zone. Now we know in the PU a Neutral Zone is established in a treaty defining borders after a war. Such as with the Romulans. The Klingon-Federation Neutral Zone was established during the 2260's due to the interference of the Organians with the short Federation-Klingon war. Now Nero's attack on the Kelvin could not have such a profound impact to interstellar politics.

3. Everybody knows who the Romulans are
-In PU the Romulans in the 22nd century and early and mid 23rd century alway knew more of the Fedration than the Fedration knew about them. Romulans consider secrecy an asset. Now one could say the Kelvin-Narada incident was the first real contact with Romulans for the Federation but I got the impression Captain Rabau knew who they are. Also the Enterprise comm officer can't distinguish between Vulcan and Romulan languages.

4. Urban San Francisco
- In the movie was depicted as a concrete jungle. Far from the depictions we got that it is a paradise in PU.

5. James T. Kirk the only child
-In the PU James Kirk had an older brother who resembles him, George Sammuel Kirk.

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Report this Jun. 02 2009, 5:55 pm

Quote (anderbilt @ June 02 2009, 11:24 am)
In an alternate reality, an aging Ambassador Spock suddenly shows up on the Bridge of the Enterprize A between Movie 5 and Movie 6. ¿The future Spock pulls out his phaser and shoots his present-day self. ¿ A hundred years in the future, a normally bald Jean Luc Picard suddenly has a full head of rich thick hair but no other change can be detected. ¿

Then 15 years before future Spock's appearance in the past, actor George Takei appears on the USS Enterprise, carrying a huge samurai sword. ¿He quickly dispatches everyone who outranks Hikaru Sulu and places the helmsman in permanent command. ¿

The temporal wave of change sweeps backward through time. ¿In 1968 a set of TV towers in Los Angeles suddenly becomes a huge battle-robot, as basement doors explode open all over the city to allow zombie fans with glowing eyes to seek retribution for the canon violation.

Now THIS has real possibilities...

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Report this Jun. 04 2009, 2:16 am

Quote (photoartist66 @ May 15 2009, 11:56 pm)
"One of the reasons we wanted to break with the original 'Star Trek' timeline was it felt restrictive," Abrams said. "The idea, now that we are in an independent timeline, allows us to use any of the ingredients from the past - or come up with brand-new ones - to make potential stories." This is a interview I just read. Rick Berman was able to do over 620 hours of star trek without screwing the time line up or having to change the time line. Today's hollywood writers producers and directors are just not talented is all. Any professional writer could have taken the material that already existed and gave a great prequel. Currently this is happening with the prequel Caprica. It is restricted by what was introduced in the pilot and what we know is to come 60 years later. It does not ruin the story line knowing what will happen to certain characters. It didn't ruin the story line of the star wars prequel knowing that Anakin would become Darth Vader. So sticking to the star trek that was and knowing the Kirk dies on veridian 3 would not have ruined any current stories that could have been told. J.J, you will not be making any more money off of me. And Paramount shouting about this film making 76 million on opening weekend (well Star Trek 2 still has done better. In 1982 dollars Star Trek 2 made 80 million at the box office - tickets were 2 dollars for a matinee: Star Trek 11 cost me 8 dollars for a matinee, that is four times higher than 1982. Divide the 76 by 4 and you get 19 million . Trek 11 has so far only earned 19 million in 1982 dollars, a long way from passing Star Trek 2. ) and the studios do go by the tickets sold not by the dollar amount gained.

For one thing, Berman screwed with canon quite often. Number 2, there is only one cast of Trek that is $$$, and that's the TOS cast.

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