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I have contacted 2 professional psychologists, each with a Ph.D., and asked them to confirm whether or not this is right.

"The moment a person comes to terms with their emotions they've already admitted to and accepted them. They've already accepted those emotions as a part of them and therefore they can no longer be suppressed. Suppressing emotions prevents them from being accepted. If they think they've come to terms with their emotions and then think they're suppressing them afterwards then they haven't truly admitted to their emotions in the first place."

Both of them have confirmed that I am absolutley correct.

oooooo, I guess I should just accept what you clasim right????or maybe I should tell you that one of my best friends is a professional psychologist, so is his wife and both kids,all 4 them have confirmed that I am absolutely correct???I'm sorry if this sounds rude.........but If you cant give strength to your argument using your own knowledge, research and life zperance then maybe you shouldnt try debating on such topics.

I studied the field myself.You can not suppress anger until you have accepted it exists and acknowledge it needs to be suppressed, you can not suppress love ontill accepted it exists and you acknowledge a need to suppress it.
You can not suppress any emotion until you have accepted it exists and acknowledge it needs to be suppressed,Its just like alcoholism, you cant get help for it until you admit to yourself that you have it, that you need help to suppress it.

Yes,The moment a person comes to terms with their emotions they've already admitted to and accepted to themselfs. .............. and they still can suppress any outward sign of that emotion.Prove of that is how frustrated with this topic I feel right now, I have come to terms with that frustration, I have admitted it to my self, it is a part of me, but I'm suppressing any outward sign of this emotion.I feel like taking my computer and smashing it against the wall...........but I'm suppressing that feeling.No one here can tell I'm so frustrated.

The bottom line is that you cant suppress an emotion until you have accepted that they exist, that they are a part of you.Suppressing it may not be healthy for you [humans], but you can suppress them until you acknowledge it.And thats what the Vulcans have been doing all along...which is exactly what a Vulcan master told a young emotional Tuvok in the Voyager episode "Gravity".Heres the dialog.

Young Tuvok: If I was meant to deny feelings, why was I born with them? Where is the logic in that?
Vulcan Master: Hidden for you to find - or in plain sight for you to ignore.
Young Tuvok: you speak in riddles because the truth frightens you
Vulcan Master:your right....it does frighten me.
Young Tuvok: [looks surprised]
Vulcan Master: you are supprised to hear a Vulcan master admit to having emotion???
Young Tuvok: yes...
Vulcan Master: Emotions can be a powerful tool. To deny their existence is illogical. But you must learn to control them.
Young Tuvok: Why?
Vulcan Master: Do you wish to be taught?
Young Tuvok: I would question everything you say.
Vulcan Master: You would not be a worthy pupil otherwise.


later in that same episode

Tom Parsis; Everyone feels a little insane when they fall in love.......but its worth the risk
Adult Tuvok; For you perhaps............but I am Vulcan, my natural emotions are erratic,volatile, if I dont control them, they will control me

I'm going to end this right now. I have given strength to my argument and you don't know me so there's no need to overreact. Also, why bother to say "I'm sorry if this sounds rude" since you already are? And you already have been rude more than once. First off you misunderstood my very first comment and fired off at me and used a comment like "shortsighted". It took numerous postings for you actually understand my overall point. You apologized, apology accepted. Then you don't fully understand the meaning of "restore" and attacked me on that one. We can disagree on the use of that word but here's a more expansive definition of that word than the definition that you posted.

re·store

verb (used with object), -stored, -stor·ing.

1. to bring back into existence, use, or the like; reestablish: to restore order.

2. to bring back to a former, original, or normal condition, as a building, statue, or painting.

3. to bring back to a state of health, soundness, or vigor.

4. to put back to a former place, or to a former position, rank, etc.: to restore the king to his throne.

5. to give back; make return or restitution of (anything taken away or lost).

Synonyms
2.  mend. See renew. 4.  replace, reinstate. 6.  rebuild.

It's synonymous with "replace" & "rebuild", so you can replace/rebuild a building or history and "no changes" is not implied. Restoring a painting is also in there. You have your opinion and I've got mine. Enough of that one.

Then after my opinion on the Vulcans you're using "limited view". So your rudeness is uncalled for. Check all of my posts and you'll see that none of them have warranted any rudeness or attacks. I was trying to keep comments related to the "alternate realities" topic for this board but you wanted to drag it into another direction. You can over complicate and over analyze the Vulcans all you want. I have a different viewpoint on them. You talked with the psychologists that support your understanding of emotions and you have your opinions. I've communicated with professional psychologists who confirmed my understanding of accepting and suppressing emotions so I have my opinions. With this understanding I just don't agree with any of your opinions on the matter and that's that. No big deal to me but I guess to you it is. Your last posting shows that. In the grand scheme of things this is just a silly Star trek debate. Look, I don't know you and I don't know if you've got issues that would prompt you to react in this manner on a debate on science fiction with someone that you don't know, but I'll say this - you shouldn't be rude and overreacting to this. Take care, happy holidays, and watch some Star Trek with your family.

you can end this is you like, and I have over reacted to anything you said bud, but pointing out what someone else told you is not giveing strength to your own argument on your own.

And your right, I dont know you, but nothing I said implies that I do, and I nothing I said was intended to have been rude in any way,I attacked no one, I just simplely question the things posted here when they dont make sense,Saying you seem to have a "limited view" isint rude, its my honest assessment of what you posted.........so please dont take anything said here personally.

We dont have to agree on anything, I'm just trying to have fun debating the issues, I enjoy this stuff, if you dont...or feel like its getting personal we can not do it anymore, its a shame but its cool.Its no big deal to me either.In my last post I was just trying to make a point about how emotions can be suppressed and still accepted.

Just answer this, have you ever felt mad enough abut something or someone that you wanted to hit it or them....but controlled yourself??

If so, that is an example of you admitting to yourself that you have the emotion, that you have accepted it, took ownership of it and decided it needed to be suppressed and did so.

This is what we have been told the Vulcans do.You can over generalize and simplify the Vulcans all you want, but it doesnt "jive" with what we have been told about the Vulcsans all these years.

Have a happy holiday season, enjoy and have fun in everything you do.

i ahve nothing agains alternative realities as long as it's well done.

otherwis it's just confusuingby the by: who knows how to change avater picture?p.s. i am new here

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WHAT WOULD THE Q BE LIKE IN AN ALTERNATE REALITY?

What?

How about the book " A time to be born"

I do expect in the 2013 movie that we see the inside of some other Federation ships, like romulans.

One thing that is not new in the "new time line" is the flirtation between Spock and Uhura. If you look at CharlieX you can see the flirtation in the original series. It just came out more overtly after the loss of Vulcan which would bring to the forefront the buried feelings.

Wasn't it Data who said in 'Time's Arrow' (I believe)  "It has happened captain, it will happen again"?  Don't worry, our Trek we grew up with has happened, it will happen again! 

Yeah . . . lunatic reponse unit or bomb dispoal squad? Which do you belong to, my friend?