Star Trek

Star Trek and Star Wars are two totally different things. And Star Wars is deffinitly the inferior in philosophical view and it making sense over all. Star Trek is like classical music while Star Wars is Rock wand roll. You can't combine them to satisfy them both

Just as long as no one starts singing "Row Row Row Your Boat."

How about putting them in a Saw/star trek movie dont say too fast no but just think of it what would it be like how would the device be looking? I just want your opinion notting more yet

If Star Trek '09 is not another timeline but instead an altered timeline then ultimately the movie doesn't really matter. In all of the series and movies the timeline always had to be maintained by either the people involved or corrected by time travel police. Eventually the mess created in the '09 movie will be cleaned up by someone or some group.

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the thing is that the timeline[s] were never really "CORRECTED" in those cases

and lets not forget that even in those cases, an attempt to fix things was immediately undertaken

in 09 20 years passed between the point of change and the rest of the film., if someone/group from the future was going to try to fix thinbgs it would have happened already.

The fix would come after the planet Vulcan was destroyed since that single action was the most damaging to the original historical timeline & the prior 20 years didn't alter history drastically. So soon after the movie's end the fix should happen.

how can you say the prior 20 years didn't alter history drastically?

We didnt see enough to know one way or the other.It was once said in trek......."One man can summon the future", and its likely pleanty of people lived,died or had different lives due to Neros attacking the Kelvin.

Who knows what could have happened, we know that due to his actions the Federation developed new tech, the Enterprise was launched about 10 years later, who knows how many lives were effected by that?

Nero's attact could have lead to hostilities between the Romulans and the Federation well before Kirk originally encountered them in Balance of terror.

Sorry bud, but the idea that fixing things 20 years later is extreamily shortsighted.

Romulans destroyed your bases on the Neutral Zone? Time Travel.

Cestu III colony is lost to the Gorn? Time Travel

Xindi destroyed Florida 100 years ago (from the new movie's POV)? Time Travel.

BTW, nice Kor signature. It is both cool and creepy at the same time.

All the series had episodes that explained & showed that the original history needed to be restored. All of those episodes are proof of that, so that makes my explanation valid. For all who responded to my comments have actually missed my main point. The first sentence from my first comment is in response to someone else, who mentioned that the '09 movie is not an alternate timeline but instead altered history. Here's my original point: if the movie is an alternate timeline, or reality, then it's a whole new ballgame for that particular world of Star Trek. If it's just altered history then original history would need to be restored. And if history is not restored in the "ALTERED HISTORY" theory then the wirters messed up, showing that they've had no respect for all prior Star Trek. There's a lot of reasons why this movie had a lot of mixed reactions. I for one thought the movie was loop-holed entertaining but I also think it was a cop out for the filmmakers. They didn't want to use their imagination in trying to make a story that fits within the parameters of all of the prior series & movies.

Here's the best proof of what I'm talking about: re-watch TOS episode The City on the Edge of Forever. Bones went back to the 1930's and changed THREE centuries of history. The landing party couldn't communicate with the Enterprise because the Guardian told them that it disappeared. That means 300 hundred years went by. Kirk & Spock went back to restore history in order to assure their own existence. So this episode shows that a fix doesn't need to be immediate and it shows that history was actually restored.

Also in Voyager's episode Future's End they show a Fedration timeship from the 29th century and there's a temporal prime directive. That ship went back 5 cenutries to maintain history. Another Voyager episode Timeless shows that a fix happens after 15 years went by.

Deep Space Nine's episode Trials & Tribble-ations introduced Temporal Investigations which ensures no damage has been done to history.

Time is relative so it doesn't matter whether a fix happens after 15-20 years or 300-500 hundred years. Little events can be changed but massive changes such as the planet Vulcan getting destroyed is something that will prompt historical restoration. At some point the destruction of Vulcan would need to be prevented in order to restore the most important historical events that would follow throughout the whole Star Trek timeline. Otherwise what's the point of watching any of the series or movies if they no longer exist?

If you would like me to say it a 3rd time I will.

in just about all those cases, history was NEVER exactly restored.In every just about every case history was only returned to a point, but there were always differences.

And City on the Edge of Forever proves my point.In the original history, Edith never met and fell in love with a "homeless man" that was running away from the cops for stealing something to wear.But because of the actions of Bones, James T Kirk had to go back in time and alter historey again..........which in itself caused a second change in history because Edith now fell in love before she was kille.So, history was NOT actually restored.It was only changed again to a shape that more resembled the one Kirk and the others remembered.

Future's End is on point, but that ship went back in time [the first time] to investigate an explosion and the destruction of Earth, not to maintain history.The 2nd time that ship traveled back was to return Voyager to its time, but that proves my case, they tried to fix things soon after the "change/anomoly was detected.

Timeless isint even on point because they werent trying to FIX history in that episode,Harry from the future was trying to CHANGE history by preventing the crash of the ship 15 years after it happen

Trials & Tribble-ations introduced Temporal Investigations which INVESTIGATES if any damage has been done to history, they had no means to ensure anything.

What "MOST IMPORTANT" historical events, that we are aware of, requires the planet Vulcan, that cant take place on a colony?

I'll will agree that time is relative and really wouldnt matter when things happen..........if this was about a real world experance, or even if we were talking about one of the trek tv series.But thats not what were talking about, were talking about a film that used the time travel event as a plot devise so that they could make a bunch of changes.And depite the segment of the fandom that got upset, the film was a big sucsses.Theres no reason/insentive for them to "re-write" what they did in the last film.

No less, the theory they used claims that history wasnt "re-written", but that a new universe split off from the original and that thew 2 now exists independent of each other.

Bottomline, they have no need to restore anything.