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Jan. 24 2010, 1:47 am
My take on the reboot of Star Trek is not to keep digging up old actors and story lines (at least not without a major twist or two in them). Smallville leads the way in the sense that it breaks with the traditional cookie cutter Superman saga and makes the characters more... real. More possible... Face it, turning the world clock back a day in SUP I and flying a continent out into space in SUP RETurns is a bit ridiculous... and those circus tights and flapping cape... I am with Edna (the Incredibles) on this one...  "NO CAPES!" Give my storyline a read. See what you think. I do bring in some old scripts but with twists that alternative universes would have. And it ends up concluding the other time line with the oldest Star Trek member of TOS and severs the ties with the reboot freeing it up to thrill us with many years of fresh Star Trek movies or TV shows to come... with updated capabilities and greater expansion of range for travel, exploration, imagination. |
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Jan. 24 2010, 9:42 pm
i am with hornickmatt on this one all the way, as one who has been a fan since 1966.
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Jan. 29 2010, 10:25 am
| Quote (anderbilt @ Jan. 24 2010, 9:42 pm) | | i am with hornickmatt on this one all the way, as one who has been a fan since 1966. |
This explains your unmerited thread about the film's make believe failure that you repeated. |
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Feb. 01 2010, 12:25 pm
| Quote (WkdYngMan @ Jan. 29 2010, 8:25 am) | | Quote (anderbilt @ Jan. 24 2010, 9:42 pm) | | i am with hornickmatt on this one all the way, as one who has been a fan since 1966. |
This explains your unmerited thread about the film's make believe failure that you repeated. |
"unmerited" is merely an opinion that each of us has to agree with or not. nothing more. and all i post are my private opinions and suspicions. that's all. you're very harsh. i assume you're young. what a negative attitude to have at such a tender age as (whatever age you are.) |
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Mar. 08 2010, 12:40 am
how do you pin or unpin threads? this one should be fading into history already.
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Mar. 08 2010, 3:22 pm
As much as I did not like about this last movie, it would be worth it to see a mirror mirror theme movie where the USS Enterprise (from the new uni) meets up with the ISS (any ship) that looks true to the TOS look and storyline. I don't trust they would get it all right, but it could be a site worth seeing.
I own the new movie and enjoy it for what it is. Not that I think it is much.
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Mar. 08 2010, 8:41 pm
i have to mirror that emotion. In a way though, the movie renders it impossible for Mirror Earth to get access to advanced warp technology because the incident where the Defiant slides into Mirror space doesn't happen in this telling of Star Trek. So perhaps the ISS can invade using a bunch of decaying NX class ships.
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Mar. 08 2010, 9:45 pm
| Quote (optigrab @ Mar. 08 2010, 8:41 pm) | | i have to mirror that emotion. ¿In a way though, the movie renders it impossible for Mirror Earth to get access to advanced warp technology because the incident where the Defiant slides into Mirror space doesn't happen in this telling of Star Trek. ¿ So perhaps the ISS can invade using a bunch of decaying NX class ships. |
Sure, but if you go with what the producers of this last flick say, and that this universe is different from the prime universe, all we are really seeing in Trek 2009 is a mirror universe of sorts. All three universes exist and can be pulled from at any time, theoretically of course. |
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Mar. 10 2010, 11:38 pm
Interesting ideas, but the Trek 2009 universe is not a separate universe, it's an altered prime reality, in terms of the story logic. Such a universe would have to have the prime-story restored somehow by the prevention of the events that changed everything. This whole thing was the source of so many shouting matches last year that I hate to even bring it up again. ¿There isn't any seminal moment where the current-day universe suddenly becomes both the Prime universe AND Mirror universe; I know ENT's Mirror episodes painted the "First Contact" as a prime divergence moment, but I'd argue that the opening montage shows that mirror Earth was always a more brutal place. The same people in each universe had wildly different life paths.
I always look to TNG's "Yesterday's Enterprise" for answers. NOT ONLY was this one of the finest of all the TNG episodes, its logic was well constructed. The removal of Enterprise C from its place in time caused a sweeping revision of the 24th century, and its return to that time caused a restoration.
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Mar. 11 2010, 12:02 am
| Quote (MojoRisin @ Jan. 09 2010, 1:35 am) | | I don't think I would even consider it a timeline branching off from the original. ¿I'm sure this has been brought up before, but, if you knotice the insignia on the uniforms on Kirk's fathers ship, they're all the famous "arrowhead" symbols, well in the "original" timeline Kirk's Enterprise was the only one to wear that symbol, it was adopted by the rest of Starfleet after their original 5 year mission. |
Thats not exactly correct. The season 1 episode of TOS "Court Martial" showed crew members of other ships that wore the famous Arrow head insignia. They were all seated at different table at the bar located at the starbase that was investigating the death of Ben Finny. And they had to be from other ships because Kirk commented on not having seen some of those guys in a long while. And that was long before the end of Kirks 5 year mission. So it appears that the Enterprise and the Kelvin were not the only ships to use the same insignia. |
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Mar. 11 2010, 2:32 am
| Quote (stovokor2000 @ Mar. 11 2010, 12:02 am) | | Quote (MojoRisin @ Jan. 09 2010, 1:35 am) | | I don't think I would even consider it a timeline branching off from the original. ?I'm sure this has been brought up before, but, if you knotice the insignia on the uniforms on Kirk's fathers ship, they're all the famous "arrowhead" symbols, well in the "original" timeline Kirk's Enterprise was the only one to wear that symbol, it was adopted by the rest of Starfleet after their original 5 year mission. |
Thats not exactly correct.
The season 1 episode of TOS "Court Martial" showed crew members of other ships that wore the famous Arrow head insignia.
They were all seated at different table at the bar located at the starbase that was investigating the death of Ben Finny.
And they had to be from other ships because Kirk commented on not having seen some of those guys in a long while.
And that was long before the end of Kirks 5 year mission.
So it appears that the Enterprise and the Kelvin were not the only ships to use the same insignia. |
I think you right about that episode, but I just chalked that up to budget and lack of developement, but it was on screen. Then again they did e d up going with every ship different patch. It is like the uniforms in the Cage, they were different because they were in developement. |
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Mar. 11 2010, 2:35 pm
| Quote (cptdon @ Mar. 11 2010, 2:32 am) | | Quote (stovokor2000 @ Mar. 11 2010, 12:02 am) | | Quote (MojoRisin @ Jan. 09 2010, 1:35 am) | | I don't think I would even consider it a timeline branching off from the original. ?I'm sure this has been brought up before, but, if you knotice the insignia on the uniforms on Kirk's fathers ship, they're all the famous "arrowhead" symbols, well in the "original" timeline Kirk's Enterprise was the only one to wear that symbol, it was adopted by the rest of Starfleet after their original 5 year mission. |
Thats not exactly correct.
The season 1 episode of TOS "Court Martial" showed crew members of other ships that wore the famous Arrow head insignia.
They were all seated at different table at the bar located at the starbase that was investigating the death of Ben Finny.
And they had to be from other ships because Kirk commented on not having seen some of those guys in a long while.
And that was long before the end of Kirks 5 year mission.
So it appears that the Enterprise and the Kelvin were not the only ships to use the same insignia. |
I think you right about that episode, but I just chalked that up to budget and lack of developement, but it was on screen. Then again they did e d up going with every ship different patch. It is like the uniforms in the Cage, they were different because they were in developement. |
Who really knows. The odd thing with that episode is that the starbase personal all had a different insignia. So they obviously already had the idea in mind for different types of insignia for some. |
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Apr. 15 2010, 7:15 pm
I'm not too keen on the direction the film took so I hold dear the alternate realities theory
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Apr. 17 2010, 10:33 pm
| Quote (SupremeAdmiralBeviKathiK @ April 15 2010, 5:15 pm) | | I'm not too keen on the direction the film took so I hold dear the alternate realities theory |
i hear you. and agree. |
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Apr. 23 2010, 9:53 am
| Quote (johnd777 @ Jan. 24 2010, 1:47 am) | My take on the reboot of Star Trek is not to keep digging up old actors and story lines (at least not without a major twist or two in them).
Smallville leads the way in the sense that it breaks with the traditional cookie cutter Superman saga and makes the characters more... real. More possible...
Face it, turning the world clock back a day in SUP I and flying a continent out into space in SUP RETurns is a bit ridiculous... and those circus tights and flapping cape...
I am with Edna (the Incredibles) on this one...
"NO CAPES!"
Give my storyline a read. See what you think. I do bring in some old scripts but with twists that alternative universes would have. And it ends up concluding the other time line with the oldest Star Trek member of TOS and severs the ties with the reboot freeing it up to thrill us with many years of fresh Star Trek movies or TV shows to come... with updated capabilities and greater expansion of range for travel, exploration, imagination. |
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