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Worst series?

LegendofStu

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Report this Jul. 13 2009, 3:47 pm

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We all know that after DS9 the franchise took a nose dive but which is worse Enterprise or Voyager? My vote goes for the nasal qualities of Janeway and the sheer annoyance factor of Kim, the Doctor and Paris!

We all know that DS-9 lost more viewers than Enterprise ever had.

The largest "drop" in fans was during DS9.

hmmm.... where was the "quality hit" for the franchise?

I don't really understand why. You would think with the dominion war getting pretty intense and the epic battle scenes people would tune in more.

OtakuJo

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Report this Jul. 13 2009, 8:15 pm

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All you have to do to play a Vulcan is show no emotion at all, but T'pol managed to seem petulant, sultry and uptight all at once.

Of course she did! She's a Vulcan, and let's face it Vulcans are pretty arrogant!!!

Would that make you a "spacialist"

You mean Speciest?

haha Possibly!

Actually no I like Vulcans. I do not like when they are portrayed as being so right and morally superior.

The same frustration that Ferengi have about Hew-mons, I imagine.

OtakuJo

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Report this Jul. 13 2009, 8:25 pm

Quote (LegendofStu @ July 13 2009, 3:47 pm)
Quote (Yanks @ July 13 2009, 11:50 am)
Quote (CaptainDewey @ April 22 2009, 11:18 am)
We all know that after DS9 the franchise took a nose dive but which is worse Enterprise or Voyager? My vote goes for the nasal qualities of Janeway and the sheer annoyance factor of Kim, the Doctor and Paris!

We all know that DS-9 lost more viewers than Enterprise ever had.

The largest "drop" in fans was during DS9.

hmmm.... where was the "quality hit" for the franchise?

I don't really understand why. You would think with the dominion war getting pretty intense and the epic battle scenes people would tune in more.

I would imagine that the drop in viewers of DS9 had less to do with quality and more to do with timing.

Remember that TNG was about to start on its sixth season when DS9 started. It's a difficult thing to get people to start caring about a whole new bunch of characters, especially when competing with a still-running and well loved show like Next Gen.

And Next Generation itself had none of the same disadvantage. The original Star Trek was well over by the time it first came out. (ok one might argue for WOK and all that but the series itself had been finished a long time.)

It's equally possible that Voyager didn't experience the same drop off merely as a statistical "illusion" if you like. To drop from a lower point it is of course going to seem less dramatic than a drop from way up high.

In any case, it doesn't matter now. All these shows exist and they all have their own inherent quality. And even if there is one not to like (again, I don't dislike any startrek series.) that doesn't suddenly make our personal favourites disappear into some inaccessible nether-dimension.

I'm glad that the drop in fandom didn't spook the studio into dropping DS9 altogether!

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Oh yeah and I like the EMH and especially his attitude -- he is my second favourite doctor in Star Trek~!!

Khoufu_Khorushu

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Report this Jul. 13 2009, 8:33 pm

I agree with the 'there's no money, no revenge, we all work to better humanity' thing is a little off. And they even mention theft, money, and that kind of stuff in TNG and stuff!!!

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Report this Jul. 14 2009, 2:30 am

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Enterprise, no contest at all. ? Enterprise had no characters, boring functional situations and plot, and worst of all, the dialogue just moved the lame plots forward and had no personality, soul, or intelligence in it. ?The makers had little or no interest in science-fiction, in other words that genre that explores the impact of new technology or scientific discoveries on human souls and minds. ?It conveyed no sense of wonder at the larger, difficult to fathom universe out there. ? It was just action/adventure set in space, and it even failed at that.

Voyager was a mixed bag. ? Some characters were great and very human and well developed, there were many good ideas, it had a good heart to it. ? It also fell down in the science-fiction department to a great extent, but at least it [/i]was[/i] science-fiction, dealing with the impact of new scientific advances on the lives of people, whereas Enterprise didn't even bother to try.

Completely disagree. ¿ There were NO great characters on VOY, almost all were very one dimensional and the writing was all over the place trying to do something that just never worked. ¿After season 4 they just gave up and made it the 7 of 9 show.

The very little I saw of ENT at least the characters were portrayed a ¿little more realistic and the dynamics were a huge steps above VOY.

I don't really think any show except DS9 had any characters. I mean, if you take all the characters from all the other shows and place them into situations like:

Sacrifice yourself to safe another: y/n
Be reasonable or be not reasonable
Retain calm composure or brutally attack
Panic: y/n
Make a difficult decision or have the writers just let the situation solve itself
Be bigoted and racist / be not bigoted and racist
forgive: y/n

They would essentially all do the same thing except some DS9 characters, Bashir would sacrifice himself if it concerned Dax, Kira would protest under a lot of circumstances, O'Brien wouldn't, Sisko would see he had to after a lot of consideration, Odo would just do it would informing people.. Quark?

Also, Place Harry Kim of season 7 in Season one, or Riker, even Data, no one would notice. On DS9, they'd all look quite out of place.

Essentially except some quirks like Data's problems, Spock's logic, Paris' insubordination and all, all the other characters pretty much where the same character.

Enterprise had Shran though.

Personally, I find that Enterprise is too sharply divided halfway to count it as one series. Season 3 I found one of the best things Trek had seen yet, the character of Degra, how Tucker effectively's too blinded at the beginning to properly judge him and the more realist feel that you're watching an actual world, and not some paradise the writers made so that ethics never have to be bent or broken.

Also, quality of a show has nothing to do with ratings. Ratings are an objective fact and of interest for valid business decisions of people who have their first responsibility to their shareholders, quality is chiefly subjective. Personally, I like darker themes and characters and the impact on them having to bend ethics, most people like larger-than-life characters. Most people would consider DS9 'depressing' or 'boring' or 'Too much talk about galactic politics', some Niners would call larger-than-life characters 'cheesy', none better than the other per se of course.

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Report this Aug. 03 2009, 11:39 pm

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That's the perfect description of my feelings too. Voyager was dull, but when I tried to watch Enterprise I actually almost puked. It's like watching flies ####.

Captian_K352

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Report this Aug. 06 2009, 3:30 pm

All I have to say is Voyager had 7 seasons, Enterprise had 4.  I'm just putting those facts out there. Star trek enterprise was the worst in my opinion. Voyager was way better.

RedShirtGuyNumber1001

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Report this Aug. 06 2009, 4:24 pm

I don't think that Voyager sucked, I thought it was a good series.  Enterprise was just weird, season 1 great, season 2 made little sense, then you had the Xindi which I really like, and the season 4 was just too random, not to mention that that Enterprise had the most ridiculous series finale that I had ever scene.  Why didn't they just have a sign that said, "We ran out of money....the end."

Mantaray

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Report this Aug. 06 2009, 6:24 pm

Quote (Captian_K352 @ Aug. 06 2009, 3:30 pm)
All I have to say is Voyager had 7 seasons, Enterprise had 4. ¿I'm just putting those facts out there. Star trek enterprise was the worst in my opinion. Voyager was way better.

Had Paramount (UPN) not made VOY the lynch pin of failed network, it would have been cancelled after season three.

RedShirtGuyNumber1001

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Report this Aug. 06 2009, 9:43 pm

Here is a better question, with the age of one and done reality shows, how many Star Trek series do you think would have canceled after the first season.  Reality (Illiterate) TV was not arround during TNG, DS9, and the beginning of VOY, but all present during ENT.  So what do you think?  Does that mean ENT survive for 4 seasons is good?

RikersMailbox

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Report this Aug. 06 2009, 9:43 pm

Voyage and Enterprise are WAY better than DS9.

OtakuJo

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Report this Aug. 07 2009, 1:33 am

Quote (OnHolodeckWithData @ Aug. 03 2009, 11:39 pm)
Quote (Swahi24 @ April 23 2009, 11:43 am)
ENT =
:sick: ?:sick: ?:sick: ?:sick: ?:p

That's the perfect description of my feelings too. Voyager was dull, but when I tried to watch Enterprise I actually almost puked. It's like watching flies ####.

Four Andorians throw up and one licks it off the ground?

Mantaray

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Report this Aug. 07 2009, 10:19 am

Quote (RikersMailbox @ Aug. 06 2009, 9:43 pm)
Voyage and Enterprise are WAY better than DS9.

We all get that DS9 was beyond your scope, now move along home and whine about something else.

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