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Can a phaser beat a gun at a shooting test?

lanceromega

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Report this Jun. 08 2009, 11:22 am

Quote (dryson @ June 04 2009, 5:06 pm)
I am quite certain that a concentrated energy beam is more accurate and able to be used in various forms that will beat the hang gun. Can a .45 Cal start a fire to keep warm with? Can a .45 Cal cut a hole through four inch thick steel to allow entry? Can the .45 beat a phaser in the time it takes to reload and regain a accurate on target shot being the user is killed? Nope.

The phaser, not what you are talking about and not what this post is about would win every time.

I am quite certain that I known what I am talking about, have you ever served in the military and fired a 223 from 500 yards away without any sights to aid in the targeting of your target? I am quite certain that even at close range a phaser would win, the phaser is a non-mechanical device that releases energy, a handgun has mechanical parts that warp with due to heat of the expanding gases and the friction created as the round travels down the barrel, where upon the rifling is degraded by a certain percentage each time the handgun is ¿fired thus adding to the overall in accuracy of the subsequent shot as well as taking more time to compensate using Kentucky Windage.

your are ? humm how?

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Can a .45 Cal cut a hole through four inch thick steel to allow entry?


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I am quite certain that I known what I am talking about, have you ever served in the military and fired a 223 from 500 yards away without any sights to aid in the targeting of your target? I am quite certain that even at close range a phaser would win, the phaser is a non-mechanical device that releases energy, a handgun has mechanical parts that warp with due to heat of the expanding gases and the friction created as the round travels down the barrel, where upon the rifling is degraded by a certain percentage each time the handgun is  fired thus adding to the overall in accuracy of the subsequent shot as well as taking more time to compensate using Kentucky Windage.


and have you ever fire a phaser? or do you have proof that Federation Phaser has overcome any of the various factors that i stated earlier dealing with energy weapons..  :p

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Report this Jul. 04 2009, 12:34 pm

Once again your post's proving that you are in capable of posting any type of future thought or comparison. I am quite certain a phaser would out perform any conventional type of firearm on this planet.

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Report this Jul. 04 2009, 8:52 pm

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I  am quite certain a phaser would out perform any conventional type of firearm on this planet.


Not from what I saw in various episodes, particularly from ST:TNG.

People were able to dodge the phaser beams.
Not really possible at the same distance with a well aimed firearm.

It's not the weapon that matters.
It's the person holding it that really detirmines how much of a good shot you will be.

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Report this Jul. 05 2009, 9:48 pm

Quote (dryson @ July 04 2009, 12:34 pm)
Once again your post's proving that you are in capable of posting any type of future thought or comparison. I am quite certain a phaser would out perform any conventional type of firearm on this planet.

That's a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Have you anything new or are you simply going to continue trolling out the same points that have already been systematically picked apart by everyone else?

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Report this Jul. 05 2009, 10:44 pm

I have to agree with Dryson on this.

Sure the standard 'hand gun' phasers are hard to sight, and have various other problems, but in the hands of inexperienced personnel, which is what most of the starfleet troops seem to be, they're probably just what you want.

Even with sights, for an amateur user, hitting a target with a projectile weapon over any sort of distance is rather difficult.

While the visible beam does give away your position more than a standard gun, you are able to drag the beam onto the target. I remember in one of the early TNG episodes the away team all do this to destroy a probe from some automated weapon system.

I note that in Enterprise, the weapons the MAKO's (which are a well trained military unit) have are much more like conventional weapons, with stocks and sights etc.

Phasers seem to be far more flexible, which is perfect for Starfleet crews, who aren't trained soldiers.

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Report this Jul. 05 2009, 11:26 pm

Quote (iamtk421 @ July 05 2009, 10:44 pm)
Sure the standard 'hand gun' phasers are hard to sight, and have various other problems, but in the hands of inexperienced personnel, which is what most of the starfleet troops seem to be, they're probably just what you want.

Hampering someone who's already combat inexperienced makes no logical sense at all.

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While the visible beam does give away your position more than a standard gun, you are able to drag the beam onto the target. I remember in one of the early TNG episodes the away team all do this to destroy a probe from some automated weapon system.


Which should NOT have been necessary if phasers were as good as Trektards make them out to be. And the people firing them were not bog-standard average Starfleet, they were the XO of the Enterprise, Chief of Security, and Data. I might forgive the XO missing with a phaser, but with an android and the ship's head of security they have no excuse for such poor marksmanship.

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Phasers seem to be far more flexible, which is perfect for Starfleet crews, who aren't trained soldiers.


Just because someone isn't a trained soldier doesn't excuse the fact that putting so much trust in a poorly constructed weapon is a stupid thing to do.

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Report this Jul. 07 2009, 6:53 pm

Every single StarFleet member is trained in basic hand to hand and security measures. There are other parts of StarFleet that are not shown in the movies or T.V. show and takes alittle bit more reading rather then watching T.V. to find out the answer.

Ooh look at me I have over ten thousand posts of nothing but one line retorts.

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Report this Jul. 08 2009, 3:18 am

Quote (GrandLunar2007 @ July 04 2009, 8:52 pm)
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I ¿am quite certain a phaser would out perform any conventional type of firearm on this planet.


Not from what I saw in various episodes, particularly from ST:TNG.

People were able to dodge the phaser beams.
Not really possible at the same distance with a well aimed firearm.

It's not the weapon that matters.
It's the person holding it that really detirmines how much of a good shot you will be.

Dodging bullets is done throughout the whole movie Equilibrium.

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Report this Jul. 08 2009, 3:34 am

Quote (dryson @ July 07 2009, 6:53 pm)
Every single StarFleet member is trained in basic hand to hand and security measures.

What does HTH have to do with shooting phasers? Are you trying to shift goalposts again?

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Ooh look at me I have over ten thousand posts of nothing but one line retorts.


Dryson can't count. Color me shocked. :eyesroll:

And exactly when did postcount enter the picture here? Once again, Dryson has to resort to misdirection and shifting goalposts.

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Report this Jul. 08 2009, 6:34 pm

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Not from what I saw in various episodes, particularly from ST:TNG.

People were able to dodge the phaser beams.
Not really possible at the same distance with a well aimed firearm.

It's not the weapon that matters.
It's the person holding it that really determines how much of a good shot you will be.


They were able to dodge the phaser fire because they were in the right position at the right time to see the phaser fire and angle theirself out of the way.

You cannot dodge a bullet as you cannot see the bullet after it leaves the barrel.

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Report this Jul. 09 2009, 12:53 pm

Quote (Kdbtrekkin @ July 07 2009, 4:18 am)
Quote (GrandLunar2007 @ July 04 2009, 8:52 pm)
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I ?am quite certain a phaser would out perform any conventional type of firearm on this planet.


Not from what I saw in various episodes, particularly from ST:TNG.

People were able to dodge the phaser beams.
Not really possible at the same distance with a well aimed firearm.

It's not the weapon that matters.
It's the person holding it that really detirmines how much of a good shot you will be.

Dodging bullets is done throughout the whole movie Equilibrium.

only by someone highly train in the art of Gun Fu, it didnot involve the actual dodging of bullets (I.E. Martix) but a complex series of Kata that basically involve insuring you body was not in the path of the bullet.

In Star trek, one can see the beam and dodge it, The character in Equilibrium never saw the bullet or dodge it in the classic since.

In real life this is impossible, human reflexes and perception are not capable of doing this.

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Report this Jul. 09 2009, 12:58 pm

Quote (dryson @ July 07 2009, 7:34 pm)
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Not from what I saw in various episodes, particularly from ST:TNG.

People were able to dodge the phaser beams.
Not really possible at the same distance with a well aimed firearm.

It's not the weapon that matters.
It's the person holding it that really determines how much of a good shot you will be.


They were able to dodge the phaser fire because they were in the right position at the right time to see the phaser fire and angle theirself out of the way.

You cannot dodge a bullet as you cannot see the bullet after it leaves the barrel.

which means the phaser blast is slower than light, which contradict your statement that phaser are light energy weapons. There is no dodging a laser..

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Report this Jul. 09 2009, 5:46 pm

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only by someone highly train in the art of Gun Fu, it didnot involve the actual dodging of bullets (I.E. Martix) but a complex series of Kata that basically involve insuring you body was not in the path of the bullet.

In Star trek, one can see the beam and dodge it, The character in Equilibrium never saw the bullet or dodge it in the classic since.

In real life this is impossible, human reflexes and perception are not capable of doing this.


No one every said anything about dodging rounds like they did in the Matrix.

The average person would not be able to perceptively reflex to a phaser being fired at them but an individual trained in the art of comabt and body manipulation as well as having presence of mind and watching the various body movements of someone firing at them would be able to dodge a phaser.

Like I said this is Star Trek and no one mentioned anything about a laser being fired but a phaser.

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