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Gravity Defeated

dryson

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Report this Mar. 06 2009, 12:15 pm

[/QUOTE]U-235 weighs slightly less than U-238. By exploiting this weight difference, you can separate the U-235 and the U-238. The first step is to react the uranium with hydrofluoric acid, an extremely powerful acid. After several steps, you create the gas uranium hexafluoride.

Now that the uranium is in a gaseous form, it is easier to work with. You can put the gas into a centrifuge and spin it up. The centrifuge creates a force thousands of times more powerful than the force of gravity. Because the U-238 atoms are slightly heavier than the U-235 atoms, they tend to move out toward the walls of the centrifuge. The U-235 atoms tend to stay more toward the center of the centrifuge.
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Now since uranium is a naturally occuring element in the Universe and that uranium would have been present in gaseous forms throughout the Universe during various stages of solar systems developing, pockets would have been created where the Uranium gas would circumnavigate a large sun where the fast expanding leading edge of the Universe comprised of Uranium gas would be pulling the light atoms towards it. Since light is effected by gravity as a limiting factor into going faster then light, a uranium barrier circumnavigating the same star would pull the photons to it seing how the proven uranium gas is thousands of times more powerfull then gravity. If not then the photons would remain relatively still when being ejected from a sun due to the nuclear process of the sun creating its own gravity thus effecting the foward momentum on the photon.


So if gravity can be defeated by a more powerfull force then it is more then possible to go faster then light.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/uranium-centrifuge.htm

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Report this Mar. 06 2009, 4:01 pm

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U-235 weighs slightly less than U-238. By exploiting this weight difference, you can separate the U-235 and the U-238. The first step is to react the uranium with hydrofluoric acid, an extremely powerful acid. After several steps, you create the gas uranium hexafluoride.

Now that the uranium is in a gaseous form, it is easier to work with. You can put the gas into a centrifuge and spin it up. The centrifuge creates a force thousands of times more powerful than the force of gravity. Because the U-238 atoms are slightly heavier than the U-235 atoms, they tend to move out toward the walls of the centrifuge. The U-235 atoms tend to stay more toward the center of the centrifuge.
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GrandLunar2007

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Report this Mar. 06 2009, 11:51 pm

Dryson,

As explained to you before, gravity does not impose the light speed limit.

As an object travels closer to the speed of light, the more massive it gets. To accelerate even faster requires more energy to overcome it's inertia (a property that exists even in the absence of weight).
The figure goes up exponentially as you approach light speed. You can get close to light speed, but not reach it, much less exceed it. It's not possible in normal space.

You hypothesis is based on a flawed premise.
Uranium seperation is based on centrifugal force. The force overcomes gravity, not the uranium itself.

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Report this Mar. 07 2009, 12:09 am

What your forgetting is the control method used in your scientific equation. The limiting factor is being used as means to keep the knowldege of the past as being the truth.

Wrong again, gravity does play an important role on the speed of light or how an energetic body travels through space.

The gravity of a planet sun or other solar body except for space produces gravity that pulls on another body thus reducing its forward momentum.

If one force is greater then another  force that is being exerted on a singular body then the singular body will act accordingly to the forces placed against it. This means that when the photon has been ejected from the smaller gravitational force the larger and more powerfull gravitational force will pull the photon towards it at a faster rate of velocity. Gravity bends light does it not. This means that gravity does limit the rate at which a photon travels. FTL light is just a measure of how fast a photon travels within a gravitated area of space. No gravity to affect the forward velocity then the photon would be able to travel faster then light, but it really wouldn't be traveling faster then light, it would just set a new limit in which a photon could tavel, with the old limit being just that. Relativity is just a bearing indicator that Einstein tried to establish to give a translational aspect to the distance that one object is traveling at a certain distance to another  based on the stationary object and the object in motions velocity to a common meeting point where both objects intersect a point set about in a certain plane. Basically it is nothing more then trigonometry dressed up in fancy symantics.

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Report this Mar. 07 2009, 7:35 am

Gravity does bend light, but that doesn't mean it slows it down.

Relativity isn't just a bearing.
It has evidence. It's taken into account with GPS, and was used to accurately calculate Mercury's orbit.

Please show what scientific studies support your ideas. Otherwise, you're working with just your own conjecture.

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Report this Mar. 07 2009, 8:57 am

Always been curious about something.  If mass increases as an object approaches the speed of light, and E=mc2, wouldn't the available energy also increase if you could find a way to convert the mass to energy?  The faster one goes, the more mass one has, the more mass one has, the more energy is available to increase speed, the more speed, the more mass, the more mass, the more energy, and so on.

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Report this Mar. 07 2009, 9:41 am

Quote (norwegian @ Mar. 07 2009, 8:57 am)
Always been curious about something.  If mass increases as an object approaches the speed of light, and E=mc2, wouldn't the available energy also increase if you could find a way to convert the mass to energy?  The faster one goes, the more mass one has, the more mass one has, the more energy is available to increase speed, the more speed, the more mass, the more mass, the more energy, and so on.

it doesn't physically become more massive. it just acts as if it were, I like to think of the extra energy (or mass) when approaching light speed as analagous to drag.

Cubert: That's impossible, nothing can go faster than the speed of light.
Leela: Of Course Not! Thats why scientists increased the speed of light in 2208.

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Report this Mar. 07 2009, 11:04 am

If it doesn't really become physically more massive (or heavier?), is it really mass?  If its not really mass, they should call it something else.

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Report this Mar. 07 2009, 12:02 pm

Quote (norwegian @ Mar. 07 2009, 8:57 am)
Always been curious about something. ?If mass increases as an object approaches the speed of light, and E=mc2, wouldn't the available energy also increase if you could find a way to convert the mass to energy? ?The faster one goes, the more mass one has, the more mass one has, the more energy is available to increase speed, the more speed, the more mass, the more mass, the more energy, and so on.

Yes, the energy does go up.

This is part of kinetic energy; E=1/2mv^2

The faster the object goes, the more kinetic energy it has. This is the principle behind nearly every weapon invented in human history.

Coverting the mass to energy would pretty much destroy the object.
Remember, the way you convert mass into energy is by a somewhat similar equation; E=mc^2

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Report this Mar. 08 2009, 9:10 am

You don't need to overcome the speed of light, you need an alternate method of travel. For example, cutting through the spacetime continuum using artificial wormholes.

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Report this Mar. 10 2009, 3:54 pm

Quote (norwegian @ Mar. 06 2009, 12:04 pm)
If it doesn't really become physically more massive (or heavier?), is it really mass? ¿If its not really mass, they should call it something else.

actually you are correct,it does become heavier. physicist use this principle to create heavy particles from lighter ones!

By colliding beams of anti proton and protons traveling at near the speed of light, they use the increase mass energy to create particles like the Weak boson that over 2000 times heavier than protons, and the hope is that by increasing the speed of particles in the beams we can one day create the Higgs bosons ( We are not sure of the weight of the higgs but it would be thousands of time heavier than a W boson) the particle responible for mass.

The term for the mass of moving particles is called the Mass Shell. it basically a ratio of the rest mass to the momentum of a particle. Virtual particles have negative or i ( square route of -1) while photon has 0 mass shell.

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Report this Mar. 11 2009, 4:42 am

In something I was watching on CERN they were talking about spreading out the mass of an object over the extra dimensions of string theory by finding a way to increase their radius.

This is similar to the Enterprises warp field lowering it's inertial mass as it accelerates. I can't see this leading to FTL, but if done right it might allow us to accelerate a rocket to incredible speeds, all the while requiring very little thrust.

The analogy they gave was "we can launch a rocket with a fire cracker", which would be exciting. I just wonder if this would also reduce the rate of acceleration felt by the crew on board, kind of like inertial dampeners? Could this also be the solution to launching average folk like you and me into outer space without us being super fit?

Here's to the future!

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Report this Mar. 11 2009, 12:45 pm

Quote (4_of_20 @ Mar. 10 2009, 5:42 am)
In something I was watching on CERN they were talking about spreading out the mass of an object over the extra dimensions of string theory by finding a way to increase their radius.

This is similar to the Enterprises warp field lowering it's inertial mass as it accelerates. I can't see this leading to FTL, but if done right it might allow us to accelerate a rocket to incredible speeds, all the while requiring very little thrust.

The analogy they gave was "we can launch a rocket with a fire cracker", which would be exciting. I just wonder if this would also reduce the rate of acceleration felt by the crew on board, kind of like inertial dampeners? Could this also be the solution to launching average folk like you and me into outer space without us being super fit?

Here's to the future!

never heard that before, maybe you are thinking about KK particles.

These would be particle such as electrons that actually have part of their momentum in an extra dimension. It would have all the properties of normal electron but when we measure its rest mass it would be much greater.

Cern hopes to produce and detect such particles, and would be one of the ways proving string theory.

In order to increase a radius of a particle we first must assume it a close string ( only gravitrons are close strings), they could increase the vibration of the particle, but this would change it two another particle. Increase the vibration mode of an electron, would transform it to a Muon or Tau particle as this requires addition energy we would also increase the mass of the string.

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Report this Mar. 12 2009, 1:09 am

From what I understood it was the radius of the extra dimensions. The mass particles built up on the object would then "spread out" across the extra dimensions making the object appear to have less mass on our 4-brane.

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Report this Mar. 12 2009, 10:56 am

Quote (4_of_20 @ Mar. 11 2009, 2:09 am)
From what I understood it was the radius of the extra dimensions. The mass particles built up on the object would then "spread out" across the extra dimensions making the object appear to have less mass on our 4-brane.

wouldn't see how that would be possible. As it stand there are two theories on how particles acquire mass.

String mass is due to Tension of the individual strings, since the strings are multidimensional to be begin with there mass is already spread out across the dimensions. while Mbrane theory would add a additional dimension seperating Brane (object that act like entire universes), the largest group symmetry that they are working with would have have two brane, each with nine dimensions, but particles would be struck on the each brane.

Gravity which is close string can travel between the branes and it believe why gravity is so weak as particles of gravity are leaving our brane for the parallel one.

see

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/403


So I am not sure how you would spread mass in this set up.

The second explaination of mass, involves the interactions of particles with the Higgs fields. The Higgs Boson would also be struck in our dimension.

Now one way we can make a particle more massive, if we can have that particle rotating in one or more of the additional dimension of string theory. This would add kinetic energy due to this exdimensional moment, so a electron string would have an addition mode of vibration, which added to the mass energy to a particle , giving it extra mass.

I search cern web site and i seen paper about gravity spread across dimensions and another on how vibration mode of electron in compact dimension make it more massive than it cousin the neutrino. But i will be on the look out for any other mass / extra dimension stories.

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