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The Pilyhas-1 Conceptual design

dryson

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Report this Dec. 23 2008, 11:55 pm

Here is a link to the starship that I have been blowing water through my blow hole about.

Feel free to print it out and discuss the idea.

Dryson

ps - this design is copyright protected to me and I give you permission to discuss this design.

I know I violated StarFleet rules and regulations, but all great starship captains have, did or will at one time or another.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums....ign.jpg
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dryson

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Report this Dec. 24 2008, 11:05 pm

Design review change -1 additional structural support to the modules and docking mechanism neccessary to create a starship that can endure a voyage to Mars or the asteroid belt and then back again.

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Report this Jan. 14 2009, 11:42 am

Design review 01a - A new design procedure has been added to the Pilyhas-1 design or the second generation of the Pilyhas-1 concept. The design has been labeled the Pilyhas-11 concept. The 11 design concept is still based off of the Pilyhas-1 concept but instead of sending the smaller ships that would have maybe four or five modules into space one at a time and then assembled, these smaller ships would have a shell built around them and launched as one unit from Earth. Think of the old Saturn V rockets in the concept of the exterior only. This exterior protected the fuel and moon lander until they had reached space. Instead of the exterior protecting the fuel tanks, they would be protecting the modules built and then encapsulated inside of them. This would require less money to be spent on sending one module up at a time, would increase the speed of getting customizeable ships into space and also decrease the time of getting to the Moon and Mars in this manner.

The larger ships, meaning more modules that would negate the launching as described above, would be launched in either two or three module sections as described above and would then would be connected to each other when in space.  

This design would also increase the survivability of the modules by 50% as the modules would have an extra layer of protection against UV rays and micrometer strikes.

GrandLunar2007

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Report this Jan. 15 2009, 7:30 am

What provides electrical power? I imagine fuel cells, RTGs, or a mini-reactor (like what was planned for the canceled JIMO).
Is this plasma propulsion or something similar?

Really, this would be an interplanetary vessel. But it does look sound.

What I like is that the fuel in the aft portion provides protection against the real hazard of high energy protons from solar flares and CMEs.
I've heard of concept materials meant for micrometeorite protection that can seal up the damage. Perfect for this design!

dryson

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Report this Jan. 16 2009, 6:18 pm

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What provides electrical power? I imagine fuel cells, RTGs, or a mini-reactor (like what was planned for the canceled JIMO).
Is this plasma propulsion or something similar?


-Grand Lunar-


Node 3 will provide the electrical power.

http://www.esa.int/esaHS/ESAFQL0VMOC_iss_0.html

or just goto Wiki and type in I.S.S. Node 3.

What the design also needs is a solar paneling module to provide any and all power that may be needed. Node 3 would be able to provide power based on it's own design or could be used for emergency power if needed making the solar array module responsibe for providing electrical power or a combination of both. This would the ship a level three power scheme.

Level one: Node 3 provides all direct electrical power to the ship. Multiply Node 3's would be employed in this set-up to ensure enough electrical power was met. The Solar Array Power Module would then be used as an emergency source in case of power failure of any of the Node 3 modules.

Level two: The Solar Panel Array Module would provide all necessary electrical power to the ship with all of the available Node 3 modules being used as emergency backup electrical power.

Level Three: Node 3 and the Solar Panel Array Module would each provide half of the needed electrical power to the ship.

Level three is what the ship would operate at due to the fact that in case of emergency power need, one system would be on, allowing the electrical power to be distrubuted through the other system's power conduit's until the other system had been fixed.

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dryson

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Report this Jan. 16 2009, 6:37 pm

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Is this plasma propulsion or something similar?


Currently, I have been using the PDR Baseline, which is a deleted manuevering engine section of the I.S.S. The reason why is because the design already works with the modular design of my ship. The PDR Baseline would require re-engineering to accomodate larger engines to give the ship the necessary propellusion necassary to go in a forward motion.

The design is still currently using chemical thrusters, but I have been looking at the various ION engine suites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_thrusters#cite_note-13

The ION engine would work better then the conventional chemical thrusters. The ION engine would eliminate the need to design and build a storage fuel tank the size shown in the conceptual drawing.

The main determining factor of course is the velocity at which the chosen engine will propell the ship forward versus the amount of fuel needed.

GrandLunar2007

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Report this Jan. 16 2009, 8:26 pm

I didn't read much about electrical power being provided by Node 3. The links did mention it's use as a habitation module. I assume that this is where the solar panals are to be attached?
From the design, I don't think it's the only location that would support solar panals. Additional locations would work as well.

For propulsion, perhaps a combination of chemical and ion thrusters are workable; chemical for the initial boost, then ion engines for the cruise mode.

Here's another idea that experimental that can allow for even faster travel (and perhaps delete chemical propellant altogether); http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrodeless_plasma_thruster

BTW, I didn't know about Node 3's capibility's. I hope it works as well as planned when it's put on the ISS.

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Report this Jan. 19 2009, 3:34 pm

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"Node 3 is an element scheduled to be added to the I.S.S. Space Station in 2010. Node 3 will contain the most advanced life support systems ever flown in space. These system's will recycle waste water for the crew use and generate oxygen for the crew to breathe. The Node will also contain an atmospheric revitalization system to remove contaminants from the atmosphere and monitor/control the atmospheric constituents of the I.S.S. The node will also contain a Waste and Hygiend Compartment (the crapper) for supporting the on-board crew. Node 3 is also designed to provide six berthing locations with power, data and commanding, thermal and environmental control, and crew access for more attached habitable volumes or for crew transportation vehicles or stowage (MPLM) or a combination of both.

Node 3 can also have a cupola attached to it along with a Robotic Work station inside it to assist in assembly/maintenance of other Pilyhas ships and waypoint space stations..


Going back, I dont see anything about electrical production of the module itself. The Jules Verne Module could be adapted to fit the role needed to accomplish this necessary function of the ship.

The engines you spoke of, do they require large volumes of fuel storage? What is the thrust out put of the engine's?

If they provide more thrust then conventional chemical engines then they would replace the engines on the PDR sled.

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Report this Jan. 19 2009, 3:38 pm

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...ps - this design is copyright protected to me and I give you permission to discuss this design....

Can I search the US copyrights records and Patents board for confirmation of this claim?

I dont see any copyright information on that image.

GrandLunar2007

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Report this Jan. 20 2009, 7:59 am

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Going back, I dont see anything about electrical production of the module itself. The Jules Verne Module could be adapted to fit the role needed to accomplish this necessary function of the ship.


Looking at an article on the ISS, it doesn't seem any particular module is mentioned as being made for electrical production and distrubution.
I should mention that the Jules Verne isn't mentioned as a module, but an automated spacecraft that delivers supplies to the ISS.

I was thinking that the solar arrays would be mounted on a pair of masts that extend from the sides of the ship. What was your thought? When you have time, could you show what the placement you had in mind was?

The engines I wrote about are monopropellant; they don't need seperate fuel and oxidizer. So, they require less bulk than chemical engines.
Given the higher thrust available, they would make a good choice.

The only catch would be they would need a seperate power source than the solar arrays.
I was thinking of an addition module, containing mini-reactors, once intended for JIMO.

Another good alternative (which seems to use a solid fuel, if I interpret the article correctly) is this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetoplasmadynamic_thruster

OperativeBob

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Report this Jan. 20 2009, 11:00 am

Can I get one in black? Jk. It looks cool.

dryson

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Report this Jan. 20 2009, 3:07 pm

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Can I search the US copyrights records and Patents board for confirmation of this claim?

I dont see any copyright information on that image.


First off if you try and claim it as your own, you have a hard time saying that you first conceived of the idea for the simple and subtle fact that I have the original handwritten drawing and pages associated with the design. It will be very hard to prove that you are the actuall copyright owner when you first have to be able to prove that you have the ability to design a craft. You can't copyright something with out being able to confirm that you can actually design it.

Besides I have the the conceptual hand written drawings locked up in a case to prevent any such tampering or theft.
You can try to say that this project was yours and have it copywritten, but Star Trek.com is not the only place where this idea is being talked about. I have sent the President of the United States a copy as an attachment.

The only thing you can copyright would be your own lies.

Anyway as you were saying Grand Lunar.

dryson

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Report this Jan. 20 2009, 3:22 pm

Okay here is the plan for the electrical power systems that you asked about.

The Jules Verne was not designed to deliver what it needed at this time.

http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Operations/SEM2AGPR4CF_1.html#subhead3

Now if we look at this picture we can see that there is a docking mechanism at the fore of the craft. What would need to be done is to take the engine compartment out of the module. We would then take portion at the aft of the module, where the engines would be and butt the two aft sections together. This would create a mirror of the module but would basically be one module. The first set of solar arrays could power the life support systems with the second set powering the engines that you linked me too.

In a few days I will post back a basic concept of what the module would like.

In the meantime Grand Lunar could you track down different engines and their thrust to mass ratio.

Oh and if it means anything Grand Lunar, I would like to welcome you to the Pilyhas-1 and Pilyhas-11 design team as the Chief Engineer of Propellsion Systems. (CEOPS)

GrandLunar2007

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Report this Jan. 21 2009, 7:25 am

Okay, I think I see what you mean, Dryson.

Convert the Jules Verne to be a module that supplies power, right?

I'd be happy to be the CEOPS. :)
Better for me to focus on propulsion than the whole design, I think. Makes it easier!

There a number of engine ideas floating around. Depends on what I can work with.


:) :)

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Report this Jan. 23 2009, 6:43 pm

[URL]=http://C:\Documents and Settings\Owner.USSBENNINGTON\Desktop\Space\Pilyhas-1\Jules Verne\Jules Verne Module.png]Jules Verne Electrical Module[/URL]

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