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Over Unity Oscillator

LtElger

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Report this Dec. 22 2008, 5:52 pm

Hello,

I have finally figured out how to take advantage of a parallel resonant tank circuit.

Resonance

In this Power Point Presentation, you can see how they teach reflected impedance of transformers in a formal college class.

Reflected Impedance

But, the truth is much different. A transformer consists of two inductors wound around the same core. How those two coils are wound has everything to do with how they interact, and that does concern reflected impedance. Most transformers you buy follow the standard spice model, where a change in the secondary's load, results in a change in the primary's inductance. That is true with most transformers.

This circuit is similar to the one that I'm working with, and if you really read the manual for this circuit it describes all of details about the circuit works. Basically, it's a low Q resonant oscillator circuit.

Plasma Generator Schematic

Essentially, all of the problems that they had designing a circuit that would produce a hot spark, come down to all of the problems I had early on.

But, there is a transformer that doesn't change the inductive reactance of the primary when the load on the secondary changes. The reason why is associated to Faraday's Laws of Induction, and Lorentz Force. So, there is another way the primary can change it's impedance in response to a load on the secondary changing impedance.

It all comes down to Bobbin Wound Coils wound in separate areas or positions or distances away from the core, one being the primary the other the secondary. Untwisted Bifilar windings solve that problem.



Frequency stabilization of a transformer coupled parallel tank circuit isn't possible with a changing load on the secondary of the transformer. If you set up the power storage/center frequency around a shorted secondary, then you can use a series tuned circuit to act like a short circuit. It's not like you could have resonance with a shorted secondary, the value of inductance of the primary changes. But, it is always an inductor in any case.

So, I have order some cores, and am about to build a few circuits. I admit, I have tried for this for years, gotten quite a few good results but there aren't diode fast enough etc. Over and over again there winds up being no way to turn the AC radio frequency into DC without something like a plasma heater and thermoelectric generator cells.

I could generate allot of heat, and convert it back to electricity on a long road that allows the circuits I've previously designed to work.

Thermoelectric Generator Cells

Something like a long burning fluorescent light bulb could provide all of the heat because, it is a plasma bulb. But, it would be a very hot bulb. It wouldn't be used for light, it would be used for heat. Where I anyone can build a parallel resonant circuit to store energy, plasma at a high enough temperature conducts as well as wire, so that's just like replacing a wire, and where the circuit worked before, it would continue even in the simplest diagram.



Any of the black lines connecting L1 to C1 can be replaced with a plasma bulb. Getting the plasma started is the hard part, and everything has to be build around that basic circuit, or it won't work over unity.

lanceromega

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Report this Dec. 23 2008, 3:31 pm

and the purpose of all this?  :question:

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Report this Dec. 23 2008, 3:41 pm

when will you figure out that this is not a blog or a journal?

lanceromega

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Report this Dec. 23 2008, 4:00 pm

Quote (kirkkid7 @ Dec. 22 2008, 4:41 pm)
when will you figure out that this is not a blog or a journal?

it just his rambling, pretending that he made some new discovery. it mainly just babbling but then he eventually make some claim that would violate some scientific principle like creating positrons with plasma...

But i like him just to paraphase his rambling instead of going on and on and on...

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Report this Dec. 23 2008, 4:12 pm

Quote (lanceromega @ Dec. 23 2008, 4:00 pm)
Quote (kirkkid7 @ Dec. 22 2008, 4:41 pm)
when will you figure out that this is not a blog or a journal?

it just his rambling, pretending that he made some new discovery. it mainly just babbling but then he eventually make some claim that would violate some scientific principle like creating positrons with plasma...

But i like him just to paraphase his rambling instead of going on and on and on...

i know what he's talking about, i go to school for electronics, but you're right, i can be simplified A LOT. his rambling stops me from reading it.

LtElger

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Report this Dec. 23 2008, 6:29 pm

I figured it was hard to explain to start. If I were an electronics teacher, you'd probably have several hands on labs, circuits to build and maybe 1 or 2 chapters dedicated to the subject. If you look into your text book, you get a whole chapter on resonance alone, that includes phase diagrams and impedance calculations.

I plan on posting a couple of schematics to show the circuit set up for tuning the oscillator, and tuning the output transformer stage. Then cover which toroid cores to use, how many turns of wire, and how to wind them. From that point, I'm just using 2N2222 transistors at 3 Volts. If you measure the power from the battery it uses around 1.5 watts from the battery. On the output transformer you have 79 watts of usable power.

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Report this Dec. 24 2008, 6:19 pm

Over Unity means what?

LtElger

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Report this Dec. 25 2008, 2:58 pm

Ha ha ha,

When I was 11, lived in Virgina State on Gumby Rd in Newport News, My Electronics Tutor's last name was Blankenship.

He built an AM Radio on top of a schematic for his class that he designed from scrath himself. Those were the days that the difference in oscillator frequency was all associated to charge times.

Over Unity, Current and the Voltage supplied by the power source is dwarfed by the output in Amperes and Volts. It's like a power supply circuit but it's first focus is on producing power with just a trickle. If 1.5 Watts are all that is provided by the battery, and the output gives you anything greater than 1.5 Watts, or if you can figure out how to move the battery away from the circuit, and keep it powered up and operational, that's Over Unity. It excludes the use of RF wireless power transmission such as provided by a tesla coil or anything similar/transmitting antenna, inductive coupling, or capacitive coupling of power to the circuit. It has to be isolated to produce the excess and have no second source required to produce that excess/surplus of power.

It was easy, I made a parallel tuned circuit from the primary winding of a transformer that's secondary was shorted. Used the resulting resonant freuqency from that circuit to make a series tuned circuit with the same center frequency as the output of the first oscillator. Since, the series tuned circuit always acts like a short, it was an issue of what kind of transformer to use and how it was wound. That's where a bifilar wound 1:1 toroid worked like a lucky charm. L doesn't change on the primary no matter what the load on the secondary, unlike bobbin wound transformers where the inductance actually fluxuates on the primary as a result of a fluxuating load on the secondary. That problem is also amplified or occurs when there is a turn ratio involved with the bifilar wound style balun. As soon as you move away from 1:1 turn ratio, the inductive fluxuation associated to secondary loads all kicks again and the whole circuit becomes unstable.

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Report this Dec. 26 2008, 11:57 am

Quote (blankenship @ Dec. 23 2008, 7:19 pm)
Over Unity means what?

over unity tend to mean more power out of system than is put into it.

If you are into pseudo science of zero point energy it involves a host of schemes to somehow tap power from electrical / magnetic fields without investing any type of energies into it.

Telsa coils are generally the focus of this, while Telsa never  believed in such nonsense many quacks trend to take his research into wireless transmission of energy in this light.

Telsa wanted to be able to broadcast electrical energy thru the air without wires. Telsa coil generate hi voltages ( at cost of low amperes) to give us the wonderful visual effect of electrical arc and artifical lighting, but the electricity can only travel short range before discharging to ground.

But this didnot stop Telsa from sinking his money and time into building a giant Telsa Coil at colorado Springs and later a giant tower at Wardenclyffe long island.

Problem with using Telsa coils to transmit power is fact the greater the distant the more power need, so a lot of energy is lost in transmittion of energy, if effect radio wave are more effective means of wireless power as less energy is lot to atomsphere.

Telsa also experience in attempting to tap static electricity as a source of power, but this never pan out, since it requires as much energy to draw current from atomsphere as you get out of it.

But people still try, and quacks will still post in effort to make it look like they can do something Telsa was unable to do.. :laugh:

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Report this Dec. 26 2008, 4:38 pm

Assuming you know enough about electronics, I won't have to bias any transistors for you. The Operating Frequency of this circuit is 250KHz, and that's enough information to figure out part values, if you really know electronics.



And there is one mistake on the whole schematic.

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Report this Dec. 26 2008, 9:25 pm

Quote (LtElger @ Dec. 25 2008, 2:58 pm)
Ha ha ha,

When I was 11, lived in Virgina State on Gumby Rd in Newport News, My Electronics Tutor's last name was Blankenship.

He built an AM Radio on top of a schematic for his class that he designed from scrath himself. Those were the days that the difference in oscillator frequency was all associated to charge times.

Over Unity, Current and the Voltage supplied by the power source is dwarfed by the output in Amperes and Volts. It's like a power supply circuit but it's first focus is on producing power with just a trickle. If 1.5 Watts are all that is provided by the battery, and the output gives you anything greater than 1.5 Watts, or if you can figure out how to move the battery away from the circuit, and keep it powered up and operational, that's Over Unity. It excludes the use of RF wireless power transmission such as provided by a tesla coil or anything similar/transmitting antenna, inductive coupling, or capacitive coupling of power to the circuit. It has to be isolated to produce the excess and have no second source required to produce that excess/surplus of power.

It was easy, I made a parallel tuned circuit from the primary winding of a transformer that's secondary was shorted. Used the resulting resonant freuqency from that circuit to make a series tuned circuit with the same center frequency as the output of the first oscillator. Since, the series tuned circuit always acts like a short, it was an issue of what kind of transformer to use and how it was wound. That's where a bifilar wound 1:1 toroid worked like a lucky charm. L doesn't change on the primary no matter what the load on the secondary, unlike bobbin wound transformers where the inductance actually fluxuates on the primary as a result of a fluxuating load on the secondary. That problem is also amplified or occurs when there is a turn ratio involved with the bifilar wound style balun. As soon as you move away from 1:1 turn ratio, the inductive fluxuation associated to secondary loads all kicks again and the whole circuit becomes unstable.

Energy is consumed to move charges. No energy consumed, no charges moved. No charges moved, no magnetic field produced. The battery supplies volts or push, not watts.

Volt pushes charge. Resistance acts against charge in motion. Energy is consumed. Heat is produced. This heat is the unit watt. P=IE, I=E/R. For a given resistance, the greater the current, the more heat is produced.

Over Unity? Tell you what, make me a battery that can produce an infinite number of volts even after all of it's chemical energy is consumed. That's the place to start.

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Report this Dec. 26 2008, 10:19 pm

Model that circuit. Use a type 28 RF powdered iron core with 10 turns and a center tap for pins 1,2, and 3. Total inductance 2uH. C1 & C2 0.3 uF, C3 0.16 uf. T2 is bifilar wound 1:1 ten turns. You can't use the standard transformer model in a spice engine, which means you can use a standard inductor. Altering the winding resistance to equal inductive reactance represents a short circuit on the secondary, and leaving winding resistance to actual represents the open circuit value. Inductance doesn't change in respect to a load with a 1:1 bifilar wound RF transformer.

Then run the simulation, dude. Yea, the power supply is hooked up wrong in the schematic, I know that. When you run the simulation, look at the voltage and amperes in, and compare that to the voltage and amperage out. I won't tell you how to regulate the voltages, or prevent it from running in a standard mode with losses. But, I assure you, I do know how to regulate the output. In every sense with a bridge rectifier and a voltage regulator, I could loop it around and not worry about blowing it.

You should use a core that is rated to handle 100 Watts or more, T-200/ 2 inch outside diameter, and 20 AWG wire to wind it. Otherwise, winding resistance, etc are too high, or there will be a significant core loss as a result of pushing it past is operating limits. The resonant circuit has about 80 Watts of power bucking around in it.

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Report this Dec. 28 2008, 7:43 pm

This whole thing is a load of Bigfoot.

LtElger

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Report this Dec. 28 2008, 11:10 pm

No, if it worked for a short period of time, per say a few seconds, I know where the problem is.

It's the capacitor leads. They are not designed to handle 4 amperes of current and will overheat. Just divide the value in the schematic by how ever many it takes to add up to a wire diameter that can handle 4 amperes of current without heating up. When wire heats up, resistance goes up. I am aware of what could go wrong, and why it might only run for a few seconds. From the output of T1 forward you'll measure about 20 volts. V=(di/dt)*L, and as the current increases in the parallel resonant circuit, voltage goes up well past the three volts. Then you wind up looking at around 80 watts of power stored in the parallel resonant circuit. If the wire diameters are too small, they heat quickly or they can melt or burn. Typically, all you'll have available in those ranges of capacitance without paying hundreds of dollars is signal capacitors. But, when you see the current, you'd really need either to run a bunch in parallel or buy a 'door knob capacitor.'.

No Big Foot, just a hairy mexican without a green card and a large shoe size..

That or, we've captured one!

11 Year Old Big Foot.

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Report this Dec. 29 2008, 10:49 am

Quote (LtElger @ Dec. 28 2008, 12:10 am)
No, if it worked for a short period of time, per say a few seconds, I know where the problem is.

It's the capacitor leads. They are not designed to handle 4 amperes of current and will overheat. Just divide the value in the schematic by how ever many it takes to add up to a wire diameter that can handle 4 amperes of current without heating up. When wire heats up, resistance goes up. I am aware of what could go wrong, and why it might only run for a few seconds. From the output of T1 forward you'll measure about 20 volts. V=(di/dt)*L, and as the current increases in the parallel resonant circuit, voltage goes up well past the three volts. Then you wind up looking at around 80 watts of power stored in the parallel resonant circuit. If the wire diameters are too small, they heat quickly or they can melt or burn. Typically, all you'll have available in those ranges of capacitance without paying hundreds of dollars is signal capacitors. But, when you see the current, you'd really need either to run a bunch in parallel or buy a 'door knob capacitor.'.

No Big Foot, just a hairy mexican without a green card and a large shoe size..

That or, we've captured one!

11 Year Old Big Foot.

still have no idea what your point is?

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