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Space exploration is stagnant

GrandLunar2007

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Report this Feb. 10 2009, 9:13 pm

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How on 'Earth' could it be that this planet - this quark, this spec of dust - is the only one capable of supporting life when 'life seems to find a way' to the extent that we have already witnessed 'in our own back yards', and especially when everything we know suggests that this planet is relatively so young in comparison to the seemingly infinite universe in which we reside? I'm almost to the point where I think that life isn't nearly as fragile or accidental as some may think, and that it's just as naturally occurring and inevitable as any other force or law.


Try telling that to Blankenship.

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Report this Feb. 11 2009, 11:19 pm

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How on 'Earth' could it be that this planet - this quark, this spec of dust - is the only one capable of supporting life when 'life seems to find a way' to the extent that we have already witnessed 'in our own back yards', and especially when everything we know suggests that this planet is relatively so young in comparison to the seemingly infinite universe in which we reside? I'm almost to the point where I think that life isn't nearly as fragile or accidental as some may think, and that it's just as naturally occurring and inevitable as any other force or law.


Try telling that to Blankenship.

Lol Actually, I meant to do just that, but apparently I posted the same reply on both threads! =P Oh well...what's done is done.

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Report this Feb. 15 2009, 6:07 pm

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I'd say private sponsorship is going to pave the way eventually, but even so it will take time. ?Problem with government programs (particularly NASA) are that they have become so bloated with bureaucracy that it's difficult for them to get anything accomplished in a timely affordable budget.

Well said, Spacemonster. Private funding is the only way to go if we are ever going to venture out to the stars. :)

private funding? you mean trust the same corporations that are responible for global warming and exploding Gas tanks on Automobiles? ¿:O

The Question isn't funding but one of engineering, space travel is not profitable, not by a long shot and we donot have the means for cheap space travel at this time.

Even when it does become profitable ( as we begin to run out of resources like metals such as copper and tungsten) it very likely that we will be using alot of robotic space craft for mission to near space asteriods and moon till we come up with either a space elevator or safe clean fusion rockets.

The sentence in bold pretty much sums up why we don't care about space travel at all.

While there have been justifiable benefits to space travel, overall space travel won't cure our current economic crisis, or the energy crisis....

lanceromega

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Report this Feb. 17 2009, 12:41 pm

Quote (GalacticBlob @ Feb. 14 2009, 7:07 pm)
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I'd say private sponsorship is going to pave the way eventually, but even so it will take time. ?Problem with government programs (particularly NASA) are that they have become so bloated with bureaucracy that it's difficult for them to get anything accomplished in a timely affordable budget.

Well said, Spacemonster. Private funding is the only way to go if we are ever going to venture out to the stars. :)

private funding? you mean trust the same corporations that are responible for global warming and exploding Gas tanks on Automobiles? ?:O

The Question isn't funding but one of engineering, space travel is not profitable, not by a long shot and we donot have the means for cheap space travel at this time.

Even when it does become profitable ( as we begin to run out of resources like metals such as copper and tungsten) it very likely that we will be using alot of robotic space craft for mission to near space asteriods and moon till we come up with either a space elevator or safe clean fusion rockets.

The sentence in bold pretty much sums up why we don't care about space travel at all.

While there have been justifiable benefits to space travel, overall space travel won't cure our current economic crisis, or the energy crisis....

Well????  It could. Scheme such as building giant solar array on the moon or in high earth orbit could solve the energy crisis.

Such array would be able to beam down enought power in the form of microwave to feed our needs till large scale deployment of fusion power.

Or mining operation on the moon could provide a ready source of He3. This would serve as fuel for a low radioactive form of fusion that would allow the creation of fusion reactor small enought to fix into a car or even airplane. unlike present scheme of fusion power, their would be no need of large scale electromagnetics to contain plasma or shielding from deadly neutron emission.

Either would need humans to setup and supervise the operation in space.

Main problem is that private industry is not going to ante up the start up cost of such projects. Even with fusion power we seen a giant in the Field Dr Bussard force to beg on U tube and Goggle for funds to continue is cutting edge work in the field. He believed that for as little as 20 million dollars he could have build an operational fusion power plant in 5 years. Up till that point the US navy was funding his research and his prototoype Boron fusion reactor actual made it to break even point before it grid melted down.

Due to our war on terrorism his funds were cut and he never got to build his improved model reactor..

Monad

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Report this Mar. 03 2009, 6:31 am

I agree with the thread creator that space exploration really hasn't developed as much as it should have. We went from propeller moving planes to reaching to the moon in less than 20 years but after more than 40 years after that our grade goal is to go to the moon again. That's not much of a progress.
The reasons the progress is so slow as i see it, are the fact that now everything is moving by international market and profit making projects. And let's face it a glorious space travel and the built of a super spaceship with the best our technology has to offer is not gone be anything else but a waste of money in an economic point of view for any government.
The only reason that in the past they didn't care about the money they were spending was because they had the cold war and they were moving by pride on who is gone get there first. And as we know the antagonistic nature of man lot's of times is making him forget of everything else. This nature is most revealed during wars. Most of our modern technological advances have a root in WWII.
So as ironic and cruel it may seem, maybe we need another huge war to push ahead all those technologies that are buried in the drawers of universities and independent scientist.
We already have many technologies and projects, tested or in theories that work but we don't use them because we make a good enough profit as we are so why invest in something new that will take lot's of money and time to pay of. The only way that new discoveries or projects are gone a get out of the closet before every company and nation in the world uses what already has to the maximum of it's ability to produce profit, is by some war that will make them pull them out because they need to kick the shit out of the other guys and they don't care how much there research is gone a cost. Off course am not talking clearly about space exploration alone here but as you can understand if other technological advancements are made, like nanotechnology, photonic progressors and so on, they will affect our ability to built spaceships and progress for space exploration.
Now another problem is the fact that the only guys who are trying to go to space are countries. No private companies or corporations. Why is that a problem? Because as i said before this guys need to be in war with each other to start and get antagonistic.
But companies are in war all the time. So if someone starts space tourism and makes a good business out of it, others will get in to the game and there's gone a be a huge explosion in space technology. Humanity will go in to a new era. Can you imagine if computer progressors were being made by governments and not private companies who seek profit and fight each other? We will be lucky if we had even a small percentage of the power that are computers in our homes have now. Actually a PC in every home will be impossible. Common people wouldn't have one. Only the paper work would take them one to three years.

GrandLunar2007

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Report this Mar. 03 2009, 7:51 am

Monad,

You also must consider politics as a factor.
NASA had big plans for the post-Apollo program. There were more moon missions, a moon base, a nuclear rocket, and a manned Mars mission.
But after political and public support dwindled after Apollo 11, the politicians under the Nixon administration sought a way to kill Apollo. Apollo 13, it seems, gave an excuse, because it was after that mission that Apollo was cut short and the big plans were scrapped. Only the idea of a shuttle was kept, and we know how that turned out.
Indeed, IIRC a NASA offical did say that the choices made under Nixon were a big mistake for space exploration. And we are paying for those mistakes by having to reinvent the right machines and return to the destinations we should never have stopped going to.

Monad

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Report this Mar. 03 2009, 2:58 pm

Politics are also moved by money lot's of the time.

I don't think that Nixon alone is the main cause for this little progress. I mean, so many years have passed since then. There were so much things we could have done even after Nixon. The future of space exploration is not in NASA hands. If we expect only from NASA and the U.S government money NASA needs to progress then we will wait for a long time.  Others have to get involved.

GrandLunar2007

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Report this Mar. 05 2009, 8:03 am

From what I've read, there was also a loss of knowledge in NASA that wasn't replaced. That, I believe, also cost us a bright future in space.

But you're right, others need involvement. It's starting already.

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Report this Mar. 06 2009, 4:21 pm

Quote (Monad @ Mar. 02 2009, 3:58 pm)
Politics are also moved by money lot's of the time.

I don't think that Nixon alone is the main cause for this little progress. I mean, so many years have passed since then. There were so much things we could have done even after Nixon. The future of space exploration is not in NASA hands. If we expect only from NASA and the U.S government money NASA needs to progress then we will wait for a long time. ¿Others have to get involved.

Other already have, both India and China are making major efforts to enter the space race. Talk between the two nations have already cover topics such as joint moon and mars mission and setting up a lunar base.

Problem is that all this requires vast amounts of money, and it due to changes in economics that now have place such funds are now available to both nations ( good for them but bad for the american workers who jobs were shipped over seas)

So be assure that space exploration is not stagnant it just the players that will be conducting the mission will very likely come from China and India..

GrandLunar2007

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Report this Mar. 06 2009, 10:57 pm

Another sign space exploration isn't stagnent; the Kepler probe has just launched and on it's way to orbit as I type this.
Time to seek new worlds.

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Report this Mar. 19 2009, 5:16 am

When less money is spent on the military and we start spending more on education, the arts and science.

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