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no1b4

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Report this Aug. 21 2008, 3:57 pm

Which episodes set-up the future's past and how do they weave into the tapestry of the next voyage?



jaksajak

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Report this Aug. 21 2008, 4:07 pm

I would say welcome to the boards, but I see you're a Super Admin? I believe that all, some, or none of the ENT episodes set up the future's past and weave into the tapestry of the next voyage, depending on what you choose to believe. Any specifics?

Middleman

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Report this Aug. 21 2008, 4:21 pm

I believe the "next voyages" should be what we should have gotten in seasons 5-7 of Enterprise: The Romulan War, the founding of the Federation and stories around the beginning of the new Federation. Paramount should clearly use the better characters (but not all) that were created in Enterprise in addition to new ones and move the story froward.

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Report this Aug. 21 2008, 4:24 pm

Quote (jaksajak @ Aug. 21 2008, 4:07 pm)
I would say welcome to the boards, but I see you're a Super Admin? I believe that all, some, or none of the ENT episodes set up the future's past and weave into the tapestry of the next voyage, depending on what you choose to believe. Any specifics?

Enterprise is canon and needs to be a part of all "future voyages"

jaksajak

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Report this Aug. 21 2008, 4:30 pm

I agree that ENT is canon, but some fans may not choose to view it as canon. Its possible the new movie may ignore ENT, or perhaps they will make a reference to it in some small way. Either way, I'm not overly concerned.

ENT567

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Report this Aug. 22 2008, 4:51 am

:blush:

akebono62

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Report this Aug. 22 2008, 11:09 am

Quote (ENT567 @ Aug. 22 2008, 1:51 am)
:blush:

How do we put this jisaw puzzle together in a way that works AND pays proper respect to the past, present and future?

Simple.

Fix all the perceived canon issues of any major consequence and get some writers that are not only talented but know the franchise.

Get some quality actors.

Find someone that knows how to direct and knows how to direct sci-fi.

Hire a good cinematographer.

Gather the rest of the production crew based on ability, not extreme economy.

jaksajak

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Report this Aug. 22 2008, 1:44 pm

I agree akebono, and its possible the new movie could accomplish all that you mentioned.

ENT567

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Report this Aug. 23 2008, 1:10 pm

trekbuff, I'd say it's a pre-concepted observation.

In fact, in the first place I simply don't get the meaning of the English structure of no1b4's question (my English is not that good).
Secondly, I don't get the title of the thread either.
And finally, I'm not even sure what exactly no1b4 is talking about - no title of any film is mentioned there. :eyesroll:

jaksajak

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Report this Aug. 23 2008, 1:21 pm

I agree that the question isn't very clear or specific: Which episodes set-up the future's past and how do they weave into the tapestry of the next voyage?

One could answer that all ENT episodes do this, because these episodes are all canon, and take place before the other Trek shows in continuity.

One could answer that only some ENT episodes do this, because there are certain discontinuities in ENT canon, and may not coincide with certain future canon events.

One could also answer that none of the ENT episodes do this, because ENT was cancelled, not successful, was not 'noticed' by the general public, and did not make a huge cultural impact. There were also certain discontinuities that fans are still pissing on themselves about today.

Is this a thread to point out which ENT episodes relate to the rest of Trek, and which ones have discontinuities? Does a discontinuity in Trek means something does not relate, or does it still relate despite the error? Why is this thread titled 'official thread' by an Admin, is it going to be pinned? Was this thread designed to see how fans think ENT relates to the rest of Trek? I agree with ENT567 and starbase that the thread is unclear and they don't deserve to be ridiculed for pointing some of these things out.

ENT567

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Report this Aug. 23 2008, 3:37 pm

To jaksajak:
Thank you for your unprejudiced thinking and understanding!

To T.:
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Ya lost me on that one...
I meant your observation was "pre-concepted", i.e. preconceived, biased to me.

I can only repeat all I said earlier about my having troubles to understand what the original poster means.

I appreciate your explanation, but would be better if no1b4 explained what was meant.

Until then, nothing has helped my understanding so far, sorry.

TrekFan1701E

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Report this Aug. 23 2008, 4:14 pm

Quote (DrGojira @ Aug. 23 2008, 3:58 pm)
Quote (no1b4 @ Aug. 20 2008, 4:57 pm)
Which episodes set-up the future's past and how do they weave into the tapestry of the next voyage?

TATV explains everything. Be sure to rewatch it.

The reboot will fix all of the mess created.

Yep they should start from scratch and creat new canon while still preserving the old canon. This way the old canon can be still enjoyed by the current Trek fans.

ENT567

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Report this Aug. 29 2008, 5:34 am

I've noticed the site's home page has been revamped, and this thread's question is put under "Enterprise" (the question appears after you click on "Enterprise") in the box "Star Trek Community" at the right side of the page. But I still find it difficult to clearly understand the question... :( The questions concerning the other series are quite clear to me, but ENT's question is not.

akebono62

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Report this Aug. 29 2008, 6:58 am

Quote (ENT567 @ Aug. 23 2008, 10:10 am)
trekbuff, I'd say it's a pre-concepted observation.

In fact, in the first place I simply don't get the meaning of the English structure of no1b4's question (my English is not that good).
Secondly, I don't get the title of the thread either.
And finally, I'm not even sure what exactly no1b4 is talking about - no title of any film is mentioned there. :eyesroll:

"Which episodes set-up the future's past and how do they weave into the tapestry of the next voyage?"

If you were trying to create a story arc for the beginning of a new series that picked up where "Enterprise" left off and was dedicated to the continuance of the Star Trek universe, what ENT episodes would you use as inspiration/ a foundation for that new series?

"Redux and Revival"?

Re-tooled and Re-launched


I believe that conveys the intent of the OP.

ENT567

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Report this Aug. 29 2008, 7:35 am

akebono62, thanks for the explanation of no-one-before's question, I understand it better now.

But, now I don't get if they really ask about a re-launch of ENT, or they're talking about some totally different new series?

If ENT's re-launch (which I would love to see), then TGTMD's material seems a logical way to go on with (we discuss it in another thread).

If a new series and totally new characters... Then, why some particular ep of ENT would be needed as a foundation for that?

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"Redux and Revival"? Re-tooled and Re-launched

Do these words really imply a revival for ENT? Is there any particular reason why no-one-before chose that title?

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