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Warp speed

starchaos

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Report this Sep. 03 2008, 4:32 am

The warp engine involves expanding the fabric of space behind a ship into a bubble and shrinking space-time in front of the ship. The ship would rest in between the expanding and shrinking space-time, essentially surfing down the side of the bubble.

The tricky part is that the ship wouldn't actually move; space itself would move underneath the stationary spacecraft. A beam of light next to the ship would still zoom away, same as it always does, but a beam of light far from the ship would be left behind. That means that the ship would arrive at its destination faster than a beam of light traveling the same distance, but without violating Einstein's relativity.

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Report this Sep. 03 2008, 9:05 am

Where did all this references with Warp Drives effecting space itself come from?
I don't recall a single episode that mentions this.

But based on everything that I do recall, it sounds more like the warp field pushes the ship into subspace where it has lesser mass/friction/whatever that allows it to move faster.
The deeper into subspace one goes, the faster or something like that.
:D

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Report this Sep. 03 2008, 12:36 pm

Quote (Vold @ Sep. 02 2008, 10:05 am)
Where did all this references with Warp Drives effecting space itself come from?
I don't recall a single episode that mentions this.

But based on everything that I do recall, it sounds more like the warp field pushes the ship into subspace where it has lesser mass/friction/whatever that allows it to move faster.
The deeper into subspace one goes, the faster or something like that.
:D

void is correct, the federation warp drive is not a  Miguel Alcubierre warp drive that create a bubble of contracting and expanding space around a craft.

Federation Warp drive create a subspace bubble instead around the craft where signals and matter can travel faster than light.

Subspace can be look at kind of extradimension removed from our normal 4 d space , this is very similar to  M brane from M theory where matter is struck in local brane and limited to the speed of light, out side our brane there is no limit to how fast a particle can travel..

Cyke

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Report this Sep. 10 2008, 5:19 pm

that explains why all the star ships in star trek are designed in the way that they are.

lanceromega

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Report this Sep. 11 2008, 4:52 pm

Quote (Cyke @ Sep. 01 2008, 7:40 pm)
I thought that when a vessel goes into warp drive it moves through space through a tajectory that is not distorted by spacetime and how can a ship have so much power as to pull the Universe?

warp bubble don't pull the universe just the space infront and behind the craft, the bubble itself travel ftl since it just space time which is not limited to the speed of C.. even with that it take alot of energy as much as the mass energy of a jupiter to envelop a craft as small as the space shuttle..

Cyke

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Report this Sep. 11 2008, 4:59 pm

where'd d'yu find that out lanceromega?

Vice_Adm_Baxter

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Report this Sep. 11 2008, 6:42 pm

Quote (lanceromega @ Aug. 31 2008, 3:44 pm)
Quote (karatasiospa @ Aug. 30 2008, 9:26 am)
when a starship travels in warp speed it is not the ship that travels. Warp speed is a distortion od space while the ship itself renains in a bubble of normal space ?In fact the ship don't move at all!! it is space that is "moving".So perhaps it could be visible ans so it will need a cloaking devise in order not to be cisible.

Cloaks devices are not to block Light per say, but subspace scanners.!!!

Actually Cloaking Devices are intended to cloak the vessel from any and all scanners.

lanceromega

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Report this Sep. 12 2008, 2:47 pm

Quote (Cyke @ Sep. 10 2008, 5:59 pm)
where'd d'yu find that out lanceromega?

there are alot of papers written on a Miguel Alcubierre warp drive, if you have the time you can check out

NASA Breakthru Propulsion

also check out

Marcelo B Ribeiro's page Warp drive Theory

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Report this Sep. 12 2008, 2:54 pm

Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ Sep. 10 2008, 7:42 pm)
Quote (lanceromega @ Aug. 31 2008, 3:44 pm)
Quote (karatasiospa @ Aug. 30 2008, 9:26 am)
when a starship travels in warp speed it is not the ship that travels. Warp speed is a distortion od space while the ship itself renains in a bubble of normal space ?In fact the ship don't move at all!! it is space that is "moving".So perhaps it could be visible ans so it will need a cloaking devise in order not to be cisible.

Cloaks devices are not to block Light per say, but subspace scanners.!!!

Actually Cloaking Devices are intended to cloak the vessel from any and all scanners.

not tachyonics or gravometric which are standard means of detecting Cloaked craft.

Visible light detection are likely the worst way of detecting a space craft, generally sensors will look for emission of a craft and subspace fields are the largest amount of emission for a startrek space craft as they are used from everything from computers to mass lightening and inertia dampering in starships.

By the time you can see a starship it a bit too late that is why the Picard Maneuver was sucessful was due to lack of subspace sensor on early Ferengi ships

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Report this Oct. 01 2008, 12:47 pm

The rainbow doppler effect is more imagined than real. The effect would be a flash of light.

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Report this Oct. 03 2008, 2:22 pm

it all depends what you want to do. if you want to out maneuver your opponent than you go with speed. if you want to suprise your opponent you want a cloaking device.

i personally would go with speed because it doesn't drain enery as much as a cloaking device. ¿

whatever floats your boat or starship.

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