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Full Circle

chickadee

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Report this Jun. 23 2009, 8:17 am

I just finished Full Circle....I know I'm slow LOL. It was GREAT!!!! I can't wait for the next one

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Report this Jun. 23 2009, 8:21 am

Quote (Lynx677 @ Mar. 31 2009, 2:14 am)
Quote (MarieTroi26 @ Mar. 29 2009, 10:00 pm)
Quote (KBeyer @ Mar. 30 2009, 2:12 am)
I'm not sure though that it's entirely fair to judge the whole book on one such error. There are, after all, over 129,999 other words in there, some of which I'm pretty sure I got right. If you have other reasons for not wanting to read it, I understand. If the quality or lack of quantity of the existing relaunch books combined with Janeway's death in Before Dishonor have done it for you, I get it.


As to the developments featuring Captian Eden and Admiral Batiste, having not read the book, I'm not sure how you know whether or not those were good or justifiable choices or why you would see those choice as some sort of attack on the fans. Eden is not Janeway. Batiste is not Janeway. They have their own reasons for being in the story that would have been necessary whether Janeway was alive or not. This was never meant to somehow taunt or tease Janeway's fans. But that's got to be hard to understand if you are only relying on a few pages containing an admittedly stupid error on my part, and spoilers from other readers.

Kirsten Beyer

Kirsten,

I get mistakes... totally human and completely forgiven. The editors should have picked up on the mistake too.

I do believe that you are a wonderful and talented writer. I have read Isabo's Shirt a billion times and it is my absolute favorite Voyager story! I also understand you were given parameters and had to work within them. Having said that, after some serious thought I have decided to be open minded and give Full Circle a shot. I bought it this afternoon and I am in the middle of it... Even though I have vowed not to buy it.

And you are totally right... Captain Eden and Admiral Batiste are not Janeway. Just as Captain Eden and Admiral Batiste are NOT Voyager! Janeway IS and always WILL BE Voyager. Just as, Sisko is not Enterprise and Picard is not Titan. If Pocket Books wants to go to the bloody Delta Quadrant with a new freakin Captain, so freakin be it... but get your own #### ship and leave Voyager and its following alone. Just because Voyager is the 'stepchild' of Trek does not mean it deserves to be ripped apart by a bunch of suits whom just want to make a buck, and who can't put enough creativity or imagination into creating a new series. I would LOVE to see them pull this crap with Enterprise or Deep Space Nine.

So, in order to be fair, I will read the book. I will also let you know what I think when I'm done. And.... ha ha, I will also be taking it right back to the store afterwards too! Yup, to exchange it for a good book on particle physics, or something equally frustrating and will no doubt have me bashing my head against the wall, as I will no doubt- just like Full Circle, not get the finale solution! (Not to mention, take my money right back from Pocket...he he)

I have to agree on some of your comments here.

If they want a "darker Trek" where characters are killed off at random because of making effects, then they should create a new series with a new ship and new characters. But they should leave the main characters from the TV series alone.

As for the Voyager relaunch, it can't be called a Voyager relaunch since the main character is killed off and too many of the main characters aren't involved in it.

lynx did you read this book? How the hell do you know what characters are and are not involved unless you read it  :eyesroll:

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Report this Jun. 23 2009, 10:16 am

Quote (KBeyer @ Mar. 31 2009, 1:31 pm)
I can't believe I have to say this again, especially since this point has been made repeatedly to Lynx on the TrekBBS.

Eight of the nine series regulars who were in the opening credits of "Endgame" made it home to the Alpha Quadrant. All eight are featured prominently in Full Circle.

Obviously, after Full Circle we no longer have Janeway, who is deceased, or Tuvok, who has joined the crew of Titan but the story continues to revolve around the rest. Of course there are some new characters as well but the ratio of established to new characters isn't even 50/50. It is still heavily weighted toward the characters established on the series.

This point has been made repeatedly to you personally, Lynx. I can understand sharing your frustration with the direction these stories are taking but I can't understand why you would continue to spread information you know to be false.

Kirsten Beyer

Don't mind him KBeyer, he won't ever be happy unless Kes is the main character in the book.

I thought your book was fantastic, All of the characters were in fact in it and all were written beautifuly. One of the big things Ididn't like about the previous books was that the author did not capture the true spirit of the characters but I feel that YOU realy did.

I can't wait for the next book :)

KBeyer

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Report this Jun. 26 2009, 3:06 pm

^Thanks so much. Glad you enjoyed it and I hope you find Unworthy just as satisfying.

Best,
Kirsten

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Report this Jun. 27 2009, 6:42 am

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monday, i'll going to get my ordered copy at Waterstones Brussels, i wish it wa allready monday.

i finished it a couple of weeks ago.

The book was great, the story took a nice turn.

I can't wait for the next one. I'm using the Task-options in Outlook at work to order them on time  :cool:

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Report this Jun. 28 2009, 2:17 am

Quote (chickadee @ June 22 2009, 11:16 am)
Quote (KBeyer @ Mar. 31 2009, 1:31 pm)
I can't believe I have to say this again, especially since this point has been made repeatedly to Lynx on the TrekBBS.

Eight of the nine series regulars who were in the opening credits of "Endgame" made it home to the Alpha Quadrant. All eight are featured prominently in Full Circle.

Obviously, after Full Circle we no longer have Janeway, who is deceased, or Tuvok, who has joined the crew of Titan but the story continues to revolve around the rest. Of course there are some new characters as well but the ratio of established to new characters isn't even 50/50. It is still heavily weighted toward the characters established on the series.

This point has been made repeatedly to you personally, Lynx. I can understand sharing your frustration with the direction these stories are taking but I can't understand why you would continue to spread information you know to be false.

Kirsten Beyer

Don't mind him KBeyer, he won't ever be happy unless Kes is the main character in the book.

No, you're wrong about that.

This is not about Kes. I don't want to see her at all in any upcoming book.

This is all about Janway.

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Report this Jun. 30 2009, 5:49 pm

Hey, sorry I didn't get around to Full Circle earlier, it's just that I've been busy trying to get a job and reading other things. To be honest, I enjoyed it. I felt that the characters were spot on and while I was sad about Janeway, I understand that these things happen and it was a decision made long ago.

Onto the book itself, the plot was as a whole excellent, although I felt the narrative started to drift a little in the second half. It's possible that you set up massive expectations after a wonderful first half, but the second half didn't seem to flow as well for me. Mainly, I think, because of the time jumping element as opposed to the mostly linear structure of the beginning.

As previously mentioned, the characters were handled well, and I could picture each of the actors from the show speaking the dialogue with little to no difficulty. The new characters were also easy to read, and I especially liked the character of Cambridge, possible because Bristol is within spitting distance of where I live.

To summarise, I loved this book and I look forward to reading Unworthy and any other stories you'll hopefully write in the Voyager universe.

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