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sf49er

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Report this Mar. 11 2008, 4:01 pm

i have been a few times in non convention times and while nothing compares to the rush that the convention brings, i was suprised at the traffic in non convention times....the resteraunt had a good flow to it and you did end up having to wait in line for the attractions.  i think some of that though was they weren't running it at peak effiency as they weren't exactly trying to crank thru as many shows as possible like they try to do for conventions.

i am contemplating heading to vegas for a night sunday and going to the experience so will get yet another sense of what kinda flow they do get.  its going to be tight though, only open till 830 and i will be driving...their spring break hours of staying open till 930 dont start till the day after.

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Report this Mar. 12 2008, 8:11 am

I've heard this rumor as well. I asked the bartender at Quark's he said it's been a rumor for a long time. Still I'm not taking any chances, I'm going to support the Experience whenever I'm in Vegas. (As well as the Convention.) I think the new movie will give the Hilton Experience more new visitors for the next few years, if it kickstarts a new series of films and hopefully a new TV series.

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Report this Mar. 12 2008, 8:23 am

It's making money, it won't close. They probably make enough off of the one convention to keep them going all year.


I was there two years ago in September and there were plenty of people there

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Report this Mar. 17 2008, 9:39 pm

i went yesterday on a sunday and it seemed fine...it wasn't packed by any means but it was a steady stream of people.  i got there around 3ish and the bar was mostly full, the tables had people here and there too(maybe half to 75% full there)...for a time of the day thats not lunch or dinner, it was well more then respectable.  vegas isn't a crowded place on sundays in the first place.

i stopped in and out throughout the evening for drinks and the bar always seemed to have a steady flow to it, i don't remember how the resteraunt was for dinner but it didnt seem as busy.  i think for a gimmicky resteraunt, its rush would be for lunch whereas for dinner probably want something more traditional.  (again though, a sunday, dead time for vegas, cheapest night for rooms.  the shops had browsers, not much buying going on, clerks looked bored.

the rides themselves...the klingon one has always been my favorite and the general consensus from people talking was they agreed as well so the klingon encounter ride usually had good lines to it, the borg side was fairly dead.  i did both multiple times, one of the times on the borg ride it must have been 9-10 people only whereas the klingon side never got below half capacity.  obviously they adjust scheduling of rides based on flow, they would do two or three klingon ones in a row, have the crew switch costumes and then do the borg one a few times and vice versa so obviously they have scaled it back to adjust for smaller crowds.  

i did the backstage tour as well, i think they do one every few hours so those would sell out.

it wasn't beat the doors down busy overall but i would say its not at a level to where they are going to close it down.  quarks is not a cheap place at all and frankly even the rides may be a tad expensive as well but people in general still seem to be enjoying it and most importantly, people still seem to be going.  i personally jugded it by the flow at quarks as food and drinks is where these places roll it in anyways.  as an overall package of quarks and the rides and such, it wasn't at max capacity but i did not think it was at a point where it was hurting either.  

casinos need gimmicks to bring people in these days and the hilton isn't really a place for shows so i think the trek encounter would stay even if a worst case scenario it became a loss leader for them.

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Report this Mar. 18 2008, 4:17 am

sf49er. I got a couple questions.
On the backstage tour, do they you up to the second floor of Quark's restaurant and do they let you ride the cool Borg elevator?
I read a post at TrekBBS that said they do the elevator and second floor on the tour.
And do they let you take pictures of the second floor and the Borg elevator?

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Report this Mar. 18 2008, 12:44 pm

if by second floor you mean those stairs from the bar area that lead up then yes, thats where the tour ends. ¿its more of a reception hall up there with another bar that gets used for the private parties such as weddings. ¿you go up there and get a certificate of completion and at that point they can either take you thru a door up there that gets you into a ride line or you can be on your way. ¿

as far a borg elevator, i am drawing a blank as to what you mean as i don't really remember any elevator. ¿bear in mind i was fairly inebriated by then as i had to wait for the last tour of day but i don't remember any sort of elevator along the tour except i guess if you meant the part of the experience where someone controlling the console gets sucked up by a borg drone before you enter the 4d simulator ride part. ¿if thats what you meant then no it wasn't something we got to do. ¿beyond that, if it is something different i wouldn't mind knowing what you meant.

by in large the tour basically just walks you thru the sets and they show you how its done. ¿ as far as interaction, you get to sit in the captains chair from the klingon encounter set and when in the dressing room we got to play around with one of the prosthetic masks a bit but beyond that it was mostly a look but don't touch experience. ¿its 30 bucks on top of everything else so its expensive but i thought it was interesting. ¿as far as pictures go, i don't remember seeing anyone take any pics. ¿I had actually showed up 5 minutes late for the tour as i was trying to squeeze a klingon encounter in before it began so they could have possibly intructed the group for no pictures allowed before i had gotten there as the more that i think about it, it was odd that no one took any pics. ¿but again, the second floor of quarks is nothing more then a reception hall so nothing to really take a picture of. ¿but walking the floors and hallways of the rides surely had pic ops written all over it so i do think they probably don't allow it as even before you go on the rides they tell you no pics.

a few things of note, i assumed the tour would include pics on the captain chair but it did not, that is extra and is done seperate from the tour. ¿secondly, the tour basically works around everything else as rides are going on so potentially there are aspects of a tour you may not get to see depending on the timing of everything as the guide was frequently on her mic communicating if certain sections were clear or not.

anyway, glad i did the tour. ¿i have been a few times before but never on the tour and the rumor of it potentially closing helped prompted me to make another trip in case the rumors did come true so atleast i could experience everything one last time potentially. ¿and while aspects of it have been downscaled(the exterior of the area used to have the borg alcove out there and downstairs by the restrooms there used to be a area where you could pay to participate in a past episode where they blue screen you in and then you get a dvd for it), i don't think its going anywhere anytime soon. ¿wynn is adding an annex called encore close by while the palazzo next tot he wynn is now open(palazzo is a sister site of the venetian) ¿and trump's place looks done all the while it seems as if they may be breaking down on yet another casino resort close to circus circus so that whole area is getting an overhaul, i don't think downsizing can be in the cards for the hilton. ¿they need all the gimmics they can hold on to. ¿the new city center resort/casino/housing has come up very quickly as well by the monte carlo so that bad boy is gonna drain people from all parts of the strip. ¿

the hilton's ace in the hole has always been its convention space and proximity to the vegas convention center and conventions are the life blood of vegas. ¿and in the end, most who attend conventions that come by the experience really seem to enjoy it, enuf for the hilton to keep it going. ¿need to have something to do there, the hilton's casino area is horribly small. at the end of the day, it probably is up to the convention attendees tht come in every week to keep a place like the star trek experience going as while there was a period of time in the 90's and early 2000's where vegas had switched its emphasis from casinos to becoming more family friendly and adding gimmicks galore to their resorts, you see them going back to more of a emphasis on casinos and adult oriented entertainment again. ¿vegas went full on into practically turning itself into disneyland and all the while began to realize that people who brought their kids couldn't spend all night at a blackjack table so you ave seen these gimmicks not showing up as much now. ¿in the end, that could be a potenial downfall for the experience. ¿when i first used to go to vegas you couldn't walk 2 feet on the strip without having someone shove a card for a escort service in your face. ¿as they tried to bring in families that dissapeared quite a bit but going this last time, i noticed that was happening again quite a bit. to that end, the experience may survive more because of quarks then the rides themselves, thats become a great place to get super strong drinks at.  i am sure thats why its survived till now in the first place.  frankly, they need to downscale the shops on the promenade and get something else there.

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Report this Mar. 18 2008, 2:33 pm

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Report this Mar. 18 2008, 3:00 pm

I just watched one of the Best Buy bonus DVDs that was bundled with one of the Voyager seasons. It was about conventions.
It shows one of the wedding couples that were married at the Experience. The bride says, and I quote, "We heard that this place was closing, so we had to do our wedding here before that happened."
...and that was several years ago.

I swear, I bet this closing rumor was going around even before it ever opened its doors.

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Report this Mar. 18 2008, 3:03 pm

Quote (KosherCoder @ Mar. 18 2008, 3:00 pm)
I just watched one of the Best Buy bonus DVDs that was bundled with one of the Voyager seasons. It was about conventions.
It shows one of the wedding couples that were married at the Experience. The bride says, and I quote, "We heard that this place was closing, so we had to do our wedding here before that happened."
...and that was several years ago.

I swear, I bet this closing rumor was going around even before it ever opened its doors.

we got married in Vegas because we wanted to go there "before it closed" two years ago

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Report this Mar. 18 2008, 5:52 pm

Quote (MattJC @ Mar. 18 2008, 2:33 pm)
Thanks .
This is the elevator I'm talking about. http://www.flickr.com/photos/thewunderbar/2289549025/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/emily_drew/54377378/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11885691@N00/2224856219/

wow...just based off the coloring on the second pic i can't even figure out where in the whole experience area that elevator is at...its almost as if its from a prior incarnation of the experience before a remodel, how old is the pic? ¿ i got to admit, i am a bit intrigued about this now...there is no part of the experience i can remember where the walls get that maroon color and there is no part of the experience that i have seen where just architecturally that is the look of the area. ¿I have always been one of those guys that likes to get a feel for every square inch of a place and i don't know of where at all that could be...

basically when i did the tour i found out for myself that basically it used to be two klingon encounters running side by side and then after time they added the borg invasion ride they eliminated one of the rides but some parts of the klingon encounter still in fact remain intact(i believe the second bridge still exsists, its down the corridor in the borg side where the corrider is cutoff by damage forcing you to go the other way). ¿i had thougt i heard they use that other bridge for the weddings...so in everything i know about it, i never got the impression that there was a part of the experience that even looked like that pic 2...

has anyone ever taken the handicap entrance down? ¿i do think i did come across something in quarks that looked like an elevator but i assumed it was the handicap entrance down. ¿either way, it didnt have that color scheme to it.

anyway, sorry for making my last post so long winded. ¿i am 33 years old and have multiple businesses so i wanted to make a post of where coming from what i am and do, what my impression of the likleyhood of that place close down would be. ¿i didn't want it to be a 'no how could they screw us trekkies over' post but a more analytical look at it. ¿none of us want it closed but then again its not any of us owning the hilton and paying for it and if in fact its not profitable enuf, you got to do what you go to do. ¿i just did not think its at a point where that needs to happen. ¿it wasn't tremendously busy but it was more busy then i expected. ¿i have underestimated the trekkie force.

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