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An Over Unity Device that Works.

LtElger

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Report this Feb. 08 2008, 3:46 am

Plenty of Scientists and Engineers have inspired by Star Trek, and I've always wanted my very own starship.

This circuit really holds the potential of saving the environment and changing the world. ?But, I need real electronics techs and engineers. ?Real scientists come from this area.

This circuit converts a 1.7 Watt signal into 28.9 Watts, and this is not an amplifier. ?It's just a simulation of the portion of the circuit that actually works Over Unity.
http://elgersmad.homestead.com/files/Resonance/Proof.zip

This simulation works on the circuit simulator you can find here
named Switcher CAD
http://www.linear.com/designtools/software/index.jsp


The circuit can operate at much higher input output power ratios. ?But, you cannot just use a few diodes to tap into that. ?The search for a solution is over, and the design of a plasma tube is the solution.

Tubes like this one are the solution:
http://w5jgv.com/rife/texas/texas.htm

Plasmas can conduct electricity as well as wire if the temperature is high enough, and the vacuum right. ?Too much of a vacuum and the beam will widen, too little of a vacuum and you'll never have a beam or and arc. ?Hot plasmas like hot air rise. ?This picture depicts why a penning trap is ideal and bare glass is not.
http://w5jgv.com/rife/texas/4589-13a.jpg

By placing a tube that can keep a heat sink like the one found on page 10 in this brochure at a temperature between 240 and 350 degree F:

http://www.hi-z.com/Hi-Z.Brochure.2006.pdf

That heat can extracted and converted back into usable power.

If you've read this message before 1:45 PM Pacific Standard Time,  February 8, 2008 the zip file Proof.zip, was wrong.  I had been working on it for some time, and attempting to get better results.  When I found the error, I started working to correct it at some loss.  Now, it only converts 2.88 Watts to 27.1 Watts.  Which is still a significant gain over the power supplied to the circuit.

I keep using RFToroid software from Micrometals to insure that the parts that I'm using can be constructed and are real world parts that will fit together using real wire.  Too much current in some part of the circuit would require a type of wire that doesn't exist in the laws of physics.  Hair thin, superconductive and handles 1000 amperes of current.  That stuff doesn't exist, but in some models and simulations you can actually construct impossible components.

http://www.micrometals.com/software_index.html

LtElger

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Report this Feb. 08 2008, 11:38 pm

Revised Proof.zip now includes circuit that converts 20 Watts to 2.4 Kilowatts. Friday, Feb. 8, 2008, 8:37PM Pacific Standard Time. If you've downloaded it, you may want to download it again.

I would like to thank Jolene Blalock, for being enough of an inspiration to veinly attempt to impress with something that really works, and when built, would look like the engine room.  I really I deserve some credit for appearance.  The technical know how, really has been out there for years.  I believe during the cold war that there was some effort to ditch over unity for nuclear power as a cover for weapons production.  I'm sure denial will live forever.  It's stupid, somebody makes it so secret the next president won't know, and then #### it, there's a crew working to stop me and every reason they've ever had to be working, is gone.  My teacher refused to give me my college credits.  No reason was given but, I was designing and testing those circuits.  I was building them in class, and they really work.  If I were dating Britney Spears, they'd have a hell of time with the paparazzi everywhere you looked.  I'm sure you know how to pick a swimsuit, and yes #### it, I wish.

GrandLunar2007

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Report this Feb. 09 2008, 8:20 am

What you provide is no proof that your perpetual motion device works (did you think using the pseudonym "over unity" no one would catch on?).

The diagram in that file shows nothing to indicate that the device you propose would do what you claim it does.

LtElger

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Report this Feb. 10 2008, 4:03 am

Quote (GrandLunar2007 @ Feb. 09 2008, 5:20 pm)
What you provide is no proof that your perpetual motion device works (did you think using the pseudonym "over unity" no one would catch on?).

The diagram in that file shows nothing to indicate that the device you propose would do what you claim it does.

I did provide proof. ¿I provided part values, how to make the specific parts. ¿If use the simulator, you'll see the input side of the circuit only requires 20 Watts of signal power. ¿The resulting output is 2.4 Kilowatts. ¿That translates to 2,400 Watts on the output side.

20 Watts is enough to burn your finger on a space of about 1/8th of an inch square. ¿2,400 Watts is enough to cook a burrito in a microwave in 1 minute, and 20 Watts cannot thaw it out in a minute.Free Circuit Simulator

2 ASC Circuit Files that were written by that Simulator

That Zip File, has the Model Circuit constructed with the correct part values in the File Named 20-24KW.pdf, and a working model for that will run on the free software ¿LTspice/SwitcherCAD III.EXE under the file name Stage 1.asc

The models are all in the zip file. ¿I have built this kind of circuit before, and they do work. ¿Most of the difficulties involved concern fine tuning.

Plasma Tubes, well even if you are in electronics, Plasma Physics is not common. ¿So, you'll have to study.
Gas Filled Ionization Tubes ¿The whole reason a Gas Filled Ionization Tube can handle Millions of Amperes of Current really concerns how conductive a plasma really becomes. ¿Then the problem with those tubes handling all of that power is heat dissapation. ¿Sure, a specific voltage at a specific current will produce a specific amount of heat. ¿You can't prove me wrong because, I have designed this very kind of circuit and converted 35 Watts to 1.2 Million Watts. ¿When a plasma conducts as well as wire, I can replace any wire with a voltage and current high enough to produce heat. ¿The hotter a plasma becomes, the more conductive it becomes.

There is nothing wrong with the design, or theory in it's entirety. ¿At 1.2 Million Watts if I can only convert 20% back into usable electrical power would still give me 240,000 Watts DC using a Thermoelectric Generator Cell/Bank. ¿If I need more heat for a larger heat sink and more cells, I only need 35 Watts out of it to keep it running.  I don't care if I do have to 30 to 45 minutes for it to reach it's operating temperature because, once it does, it can run under it's own power.

Tannagra

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Report this Feb. 10 2008, 4:28 am

Quote (LtElger @ Feb. 10 2008, 4:03 am)
Quote (GrandLunar2007 @ Feb. 09 2008, 5:20 pm)
What you provide is no proof that your perpetual motion device works (did you think using the pseudonym "over unity" no one would catch on?).

The diagram in that file shows nothing to indicate that the device you propose would do what you claim it does.

I did provide proof. ?I provided part values, how to make the specific parts. ?If use the simulator, you'll see the input side of the circuit only requires 20 Watts of signal power. ?The resulting output is 2.4 Kilowatts. ?That translates to 2,400 Watts on the output side.

20 Watts is enough to burn your finger on a space of about 1/8th of an inch square. ?2,400 Watts is enough to cook a burrito in a microwave in 1 minute, and 20 Watts cannot thaw it out in a minute.Free Circuit Simulator

2 ASC Circuit Files that were written by that Simulator

That Zip File, has the Model Circuit constructed with the correct part values in the File Named 20-24KW.pdf, and a working model for that will run on the free software ?LTspice/SwitcherCAD III.EXE under the file name Stage 1.asc

The models are all in the zip file. ?I have built this kind of circuit before, and they do work. ?Most of the difficulties involved concern fine tuning.

Plasma Tubes, well even if you are in electronics, Plasma Physics is not common. ?So, you'll have to study.
Gas Filled Ionization Tubes ?The whole reason a Gas Filled Ionization Tube can handle Millions of Amperes of Current really concerns how conductive a plasma really becomes. ?Then the problem with those tubes handling all of that power is heat dissapation. ?Sure, a specific voltage at a specific current will produce a specific amount of heat. ?You can't prove me wrong because, I have designed this very kind of circuit and converted 35 Watts to 1.2 Million Watts. ?When a plasma conducts as well as wire, I can replace any wire with a voltage and current high enough to produce heat. ?The hotter a plasma becomes, the more conductive it becomes.

There is nothing wrong with the design, or theory in it's entirety. ?At 1.2 Million Watts if I can only convert 20% back into usable electrical power would still give me 240,000 Watts DC using a Thermoelectric Generator Cell/Bank. ?If I need more heat for a larger heat sink and more cells, I only need 35 Watts out of it to keep it running. ¿I don't care if I do have to 30 to 45 minutes for it to reach it's operating temperature because, once it does, it can run under it's own power.

Shouldn't you be contacting the national grid of your country? Or try to patent your design?

I mean people are still trying to figure out how to build fusion reactors to solve energy issues, yet you've designed a machine which can 'create' energy from nothing, surely something to be trumpetted from the highest places?


:logical:

GrandLunar2007

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Report this Feb. 10 2008, 7:54 am

LtElger, not all of the things you provided could show up on my computer. It's probably better for you to provide something more like a link to an image than to have someone download info onto their computer.

Anyway, one can claim anything with values and specifications. One could "prove" that the Earth was the center of the universe by arguement.
But without solid proof of this device's function, I cannot take it anymore seriously than any other device that makes similar claims.

The problem you get with any perpetual device is that you first must show how it overcomes the laws of physics to do what it does.

For all I know, and judging by the diagram I did see, the circuit you present uses transformers to step up power, and you're misinterpreting it as a sign of "over unity".

Tannagra brings up a good point. Rather than showing it off to this board, you ought to be bringing it up to the scientific community. That is not us.

LtElger

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Report this Feb. 10 2008, 11:41 am

I have taken time to study patent law, and the Attorneys don't protect certain things. ¿Circuits and Chemical Formula are on the list. ¿You can search patents on the internet and you won't find any real schematics anyone else isn't or couldn't just use at being able to read them, or chemical compounds, and that is why. ¿A patent Attorney can't offer you much protection having studied law concerning electronics when he/she cannot understand what they are looking at well enough to define it. ¿Second, it's most likely that any schematic diagram will be embedded inside some other circuit, and even the designer would have a hard time finding it with so many people in the field. ¿As a rule they avoid it, or know that they cannot protect it. ¿But, I'm sure some-one will take your money. ¿That also includes why you see so many different companies producing Cell Phones that do as much as the Blackberry. ¿So many Wide Screen TVs, Plasma TVs, etc.

I fully understand transformers and yes usually based upon a turns ratio a step up transformer will multiply the voltage by the factor as it will divide the current, and with a step down tranformer it will divide the voltage by the same factor as it multiplies the current.

There's something involved with transformers, they are inductors. ¿Inductors retain what is called self inductance. ¿This means you can take a 1:1 turns ratio and still convert 10 volts to 100. ¿The difference is in switching. ¿If I apply a current within the limits of the time constant of the inductors, and then sharply halt the current di/dt will govern the voltage and current output. ¿Where V=(di{the change in current}/dt{duration of change})L{inductance in Henrys}

Self Inductance

Likewise a capacitors can act as a current multipliers. ¿If the voltage is high, 100 Volts with a 50 ohm output impedance and the load following the capacitor is at a lower input impedance than the voltage source 25 ohms, current will double and the voltage will be cut in half. ¿At that point 100 Volts DC at 2 Amperes converts to 50 v at 4 Amperes across the 25 ohm load.

So, the step up and step down controls rates of change output impedances and input impedances.  The Signal produces the pumping action and the Ring Value/Q of the parallel tank circuits keep them operating several cycles beyond any single cycle of AC.

A step up followed by a step down allows for a current doubling effect.  This depends upon the ring value of the following circuit as to how much doubling can take place.LC Circuits

It's all rates of change that make it work.

GrandLunar2007

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Report this Feb. 10 2008, 10:09 pm

Problem is, this is not an example of "over unity".

LtElger

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Report this Feb. 11 2008, 2:14 am

Quote (GrandLunar2007 @ Feb. 11 2008, 7:09 am)
Problem is, this is not an example of "over unity".

Models and Proof

Simulator to Run Circuit Models on.

It takes some real electronics training to see the light of the truth in all of this. I did manage to update my zip file and there is a 1MHz power converter that will convert 30 Watts 13 Kilowatts, and I ran into some trouble finding real world parts. In detail the PDF file Plasma Power.pdf covers that and that circuit. It does operate on the same prinicipals as those where real world parts do exist, and I might be wrong and Amatuer Radio may have a Balun that could make it operational. At 13 Kilowatts RF, the only real people that might know where to get parts are Amatuer Radio Operators, and Radio Transmitter Engineers. The people who design and build radio stations.

E=mc^2 is not proof that a nuclear bomb could be built or work. ¿Likewise my circuit, if you build it, it will work.  I released this information for anyone who might want to use it or build on it in an effort to save the environment.  I do know a bit about patent law, and if anyone can find this source or any pre-existing source of this information posted publically, it's public access information.  I disclosed the working theory, therefore no-one can honestly apply for a Concept Patent.  Once, this information is brought to the courts, the judge will recognize my intentions, and you will loose Concept Patent Rights.  The only patents that are now available are Device Patents, that are your make your model, your production model.  Sony, Ericson, any electronics can pick up and assembling these circuit configurations and use the theory that allows them to wrok.  Making it public access basically justifies anyone building it just like any company can build a cell phone that allow for text messaging, or a High Definition Television, or IBM Compatable computer.  Na na na

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Report this Feb. 11 2008, 11:32 am

One of the first things that they'll tell you in any engineering course: there's no such thing as an over-unity device.  Over-unity devices are a direct violation of the law of conservation of energy, which is one of the few things in physics that we are absolutely sure we've got right.  
Capacitors and transformers don't even operate at 100% efficiency except in some of the basic simulation programs.  What you propose suggests that they actually function at greater than 100% efficiency, which is frankly impossible in the real world.
However, I do note that you cite the simulator output as your "proof".  One thing about simulators is that they have a limit to the number of decimal places they can hold for any one value.  The more complex the circuit, the more error is introduced as calculations force the computer to start rounding off values.  My bet is that if you are interpreting the data correctly and the computer claims that it's producing more energy than you initially put in, it's because somewhere it started rounding values up and the error propogated through the rest of the calulations.  This is why engineers don't go straight from simulations to a finished product: no circuit will ever operate as well as the simulations suggest that it will.

GrandLunar2007

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Report this Feb. 11 2008, 7:50 pm

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Na na na


How mature of you, LtElger.

What's next? Farting noises?

LtElger

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Report this Feb. 11 2008, 10:06 pm

Quote (jjreinem @ Feb. 11 2008, 8:32 pm)
One of the first things that they'll tell you in any engineering course: there's no such thing as an over-unity device. ¿Over-unity devices are a direct violation of the law of conservation of energy, which is one of the few things in physics that we are absolutely sure we've got right. ¿
Capacitors and transformers don't even operate at 100% efficiency except in some of the basic simulation programs. ¿What you propose suggests that they actually function at greater than 100% efficiency, which is frankly impossible in the real world.
However, I do note that you cite the simulator output as your "proof". ¿One thing about simulators is that they have a limit to the number of decimal places they can hold for any one value. ¿The more complex the circuit, the more error is introduced as calculations force the computer to start rounding off values. ¿My bet is that if you are interpreting the data correctly and the computer claims that it's producing more energy than you initially put in, it's because somewhere it started rounding values up and the error propogated through the rest of the calulations. ¿This is why engineers don't go straight from simulations to a finished product: no circuit will ever operate as well as the simulations suggest that it will.

I have built these circuits, using chopper, class A biased self starting Oscillator circuits and breadboarded them to verify the simulations.  The error you are inventing, doesn't exist.

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Report this Feb. 12 2008, 12:33 am

Quote (LtElger @ Feb. 11 2008, 10:06 pm)
Quote (jjreinem @ Feb. 11 2008, 8:32 pm)
One of the first things that they'll tell you in any engineering course: there's no such thing as an over-unity device. ?Over-unity devices are a direct violation of the law of conservation of energy, which is one of the few things in physics that we are absolutely sure we've got right. ?
Capacitors and transformers don't even operate at 100% efficiency except in some of the basic simulation programs. ?What you propose suggests that they actually function at greater than 100% efficiency, which is frankly impossible in the real world.
However, I do note that you cite the simulator output as your "proof". ?One thing about simulators is that they have a limit to the number of decimal places they can hold for any one value. ?The more complex the circuit, the more error is introduced as calculations force the computer to start rounding off values. ?My bet is that if you are interpreting the data correctly and the computer claims that it's producing more energy than you initially put in, it's because somewhere it started rounding values up and the error propogated through the rest of the calulations. ?This is why engineers don't go straight from simulations to a finished product: no circuit will ever operate as well as the simulations suggest that it will.

I have built these circuits, using chopper, class A biased self starting Oscillator circuits and breadboarded them to verify the simulations. ¿The error you are inventing, doesn't exist.

In that case, your math is off.  Any result that has you producing "free energy" is an error.

LtElger

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Report this Feb. 15 2008, 4:34 am

Obviously, you haven't installed the simulator, and ran the circuit simulations. I doubt that you've even opened the zip file.

I just got done responding to a couple of engineers who attended MIT and one of them read to be rather confused about where all of this energy came from.

If you understand plasma physics, highly conductive metals are a solid form of plasma. So, if I have a coil and a capacitor in parallel, I can connect a 'plasma' between two points and use 'wire' across the other two points. It is like saying instead of just connecting the capacitor and coil end to end, put a lightbulb between them at one end.

If the output of the final transformer stage is at a high enough voltage, a plasma will be produced. Once it ignites, to the rest of the circuit it's just a piece of wire.

Looking back at the schematic, no matter how well explained by conservation of energy the surplus seems to be in some people's minds, or non-existant in others, I have built the circuits, and they do work. How are you going to change the fact that the car runs? In order to prove yourself right, are you going to siphon out the gas?

Why does thing add so many question marks when you edit?

Updated the file Proof.zip
Now includes an oscillator circuit example and several more details. ¿Use readme, or it will be cryptic.

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Report this Feb. 17 2008, 11:58 pm

Can anyone plz explain to me what the hell is this all about ? I don't understand a bit, not bit !

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