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Star Trek Ships of the line

stardrive01

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Report this Jan. 19 2008, 9:15 pm

the startrek ships of the line book has wonderful renderings of all our great ships as well as some unexplained pictures of some of the federations missing starships, also the ships of the line 2008 calendar is also a wonderfull product worth getting for star trek fans,
thankyou all and enjoy

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Report this Jan. 19 2008, 10:38 pm

that was a very cool book

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Report this Jan. 20 2008, 6:40 pm

Quote (stardrive01 @ Jan. 18 2008, 10:15 pm)
the startrek ships of the line book has wonderful renderings of all our great ships as well as some unexplained pictures of some of the federations missing starships, also the ships of the line 2008 calendar is also a wonderfull product worth getting for star trek fans,
thankyou all and enjoy

I have both.

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Report this Jan. 20 2008, 6:43 pm

i have the book and the 2008 calender. both good.

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Report this Jan. 20 2008, 7:19 pm

i have the 2007 and 2008 calender

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Report this Jan. 20 2008, 7:26 pm

GREAT Book!!!

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Report this Jan. 21 2008, 12:00 pm

Yes, I love the "Ships Of The Line" book. ¿In it, there's the Gabe Koerner pic of the Enterprise. ¿It states something to the effect that this was a speculative concept that was considered between TOS Enterprise and the movie Enterprise. ¿But now it appears this G.K. ship is the "new" version of TOS Enterprise for the J.J. Abrams movie Star Trek XI. ¿But I'm confused now. I'm totally okay with a re-imagining of TOS, but since Leonard Nimoy is playing an aged Spock, I'm calling this a "Bait-and-switch" which sucks, since this will "hook" in old fans. ¿Just call it a re-imagining. ¿But Nimoy shouldn't be involved unless he's playing a completely different character like Richard Hatch in the re-imagined BSG. ¿Don't get me wrong, I'm loving the new look of the ship based on Gabe Koerner's design, but don't kid us into making us believe this is a prequel to already-established Trek with all of known canon, when, if they change the "connie" at all, it ain't canon. ¿It's a re-imagining. ¿But I will wait a see. :eyesroll:

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Report this Jan. 21 2008, 3:05 pm

Quote (Dare7 @ Jan. 21 2008, 4:00 pm)
Yes, I love the "Ships Of The Line" book. ?In it, there's the Gabe Koerner pic of the Enterprise. ?It states something to the effect that this was a speculative concept that was considered between TOS Enterprise and the movie Enterprise. ?But now it appears this G.K. ship is the "new" version of TOS Enterprise for the J.J. Abrams movie Star Trek XI.

There's no fact to substantiate that.  In fact, I'd go out on a limb to say there are facts to say that this model is not being used in Trek XI.
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I'm calling this a "Bait-and-switch" which sucks, since this will "hook" in old fans. ?Just call it a re-imagining. ?But Nimoy shouldn't be involved unless he's playing a completely different character like Richard Hatch in the re-imagined BSG.

Disagree.  If anything, Nimoy playing Spock in this movie will at least (hopefully) aid in bridging the gap between "classic" Trek and "re-imagined" Trek.
:eyesroll:
Quite right.  Keyword is "re-imagining".
IMO, I don't care for Koerner's design of the 1701.

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Report this Jan. 21 2008, 3:48 pm

Quote (_Roadhog_ @ Jan. 21 2008, 3:05 pm)
Quote (Dare7 @ Jan. 21 2008, 4:00 pm)
Yes, I love the "Ships Of The Line" book. ?In it, there's the Gabe Koerner pic of the Enterprise. ?It states something to the effect that this was a speculative concept that was considered between TOS Enterprise and the movie Enterprise. ?But now it appears this G.K. ship is the "new" version of TOS Enterprise for the J.J. Abrams movie Star Trek XI.


There's no fact to substantiate that. ¿In fact, I'd go out on a limb to say there are facts to say that this model is not being used in Trek XI.

I certainly hope you are correct about that. ¿Although the "teaser" trailer clearly indicates the "new" version of the Enterprise, it also states "under construction" and it clearly is a teaser.

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I'm calling this a "Bait-and-switch" which sucks, since this will "hook" in old fans. ?Just call it a re-imagining. ?But Nimoy shouldn't be involved unless he's playing a completely different character like Richard Hatch in the re-imagined BSG.


Disagree. ¿If anything, Nimoy playing Spock in this movie will at least (hopefully) aid in bridging the gap between "classic" Trek and "re-imagined" Trek.

Then I disagree squared, because you're talking a complete paradigm shift: "bridging the gap between "classice" and "re-imagined."? ¿That doesn't make any sense. ¿If it's re-imagined, it should't be bridging anything.

:eyesroll:

Quite right. ¿Keyword is "re-imagining".
IMO, I don't care for Koerner's design of the 1701.

Well, we're all intitled to our opinions, and although I do like the new so-called re-imagined look, I still have a great fondness for Matt Jeffries TOS Connie. ¿The fact that I work directly across the street from the Air And Space Museum and can visit the original anytime is a treat. ¿I also have the Master Replica 1:350 scale model and I love it. ¿I also have the remastered Star Trek on DVD with the updated F/X. ¿The old girl never looked more beautiful. ¿I believe she'd still hold up on the big screen as well. ¿Still, I'd love to have a 1:350 scale replica of Gabe Koerner's ship whether it be in the new movie or not. ¿But I hope you are correct, and it won't be.

Quote (Dare7 @ Jan. 21 2008, 4:00 pm)
Yes, I love the "Ships Of The Line" book. ?In it, there's the Gabe Koerner pic of the Enterprise. ?It states something to the effect that this was a speculative concept that was considered between TOS Enterprise and the movie Enterprise. ?But now it appears this G.K. ship is the "new" version of TOS Enterprise for the J.J. Abrams movie Star Trek XI.


There's no fact to substantiate that. ¿In fact, I'd go out on a limb to say there are facts to say that this model is not being used in Trek XI.

I certainly hope you are correct about that. ¿Although the "teaser" trailer clearly indicates the "new" version of the Enterprise, it also states "under construction" and it clearly is a teaser.

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I'm calling this a "Bait-and-switch" which sucks, since this will "hook" in old fans. ?Just call it a re-imagining. ?But Nimoy shouldn't be involved unless he's playing a completely different character like Richard Hatch in the re-imagined BSG.

Disagree. ¿If anything, Nimoy playing Spock in this movie will at least (hopefully) aid in bridging the gap between "classic" Trek and "re-imagined" Trek.

Then I disagree squared, because you're talking a complete paradigm shift: "bridging the gap between "classice" and "re-imagined."? ¿That doesn't make any sense. ¿If it's re-imagined, it should't be bridging anything.

:eyesroll:
Quite right. ¿Keyword is "re-imagining".
IMO, I don't care for Koerner's design of the 1701.

Well, we're all intitled to our opinions, and although I do like the new so-called re-imagined look, I still have a great fondness for Matt Jeffries TOS Connie. ¿The fact that I work directly across the street from the Air And Space Museum and can visit the original anytime is a treat. ¿I also have the Master Replica 1:350 scale model and I love it. ¿I also have the remastered Star Trek on DVD with the updated F/X. ¿The old girl never looked more beautiful. ¿I believe she'd still hold up on the big screen as well. ¿Still, I'd love to have a 1:350 scale replica of Gabe Koerner's ship whether it be in the new movie or not. ¿But I hope you are correct, and it won't be.

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Report this Jan. 21 2008, 3:49 pm

Quote (_Roadhog_ @ Jan. 21 2008, 3:05 pm)
Quote (Dare7 @ Jan. 21 2008, 4:00 pm)
Yes, I love the "Ships Of The Line" book. ?In it, there's the Gabe Koerner pic of the Enterprise. ?It states something to the effect that this was a speculative concept that was considered between TOS Enterprise and the movie Enterprise. ?But now it appears this G.K. ship is the "new" version of TOS Enterprise for the J.J. Abrams movie Star Trek XI.


There's no fact to substantiate that. ¿In fact, I'd go out on a limb to say there are facts to say that this model is not being used in Trek XI.

I certainly hope you are correct about that. ¿Although the "teaser" trailer clearly indicates the "new" version of the Enterprise, it also states "under construction" and it clearly is a teaser.

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I'm calling this a "Bait-and-switch" which sucks, since this will "hook" in old fans. ?Just call it a re-imagining. ?But Nimoy shouldn't be involved unless he's playing a completely different character like Richard Hatch in the re-imagined BSG.


Disagree. ¿If anything, Nimoy playing Spock in this movie will at least (hopefully) aid in bridging the gap between "classic" Trek and "re-imagined" Trek.

Then I disagree squared, because you're talking a complete paradigm shift: "bridging the gap between "classice" and "re-imagined."? ¿That doesn't make any sense. ¿If it's re-imagined, it should't be bridging anything.

:eyesroll:

Quite right. ¿Keyword is "re-imagining".
IMO, I don't care for Koerner's design of the 1701.

Well, we're all intitled to our opinions, and although I do like the new so-called re-imagined look, I still have a great fondness for Matt Jeffries TOS Connie. ¿The fact that I work directly across the street from the Air And Space Museum and can visit the original anytime is a treat. ¿I also have the Master Replica 1:350 scale model and I love it. ¿I also have the remastered Star Trek on DVD with the updated F/X. ¿The old girl never looked more beautiful. ¿I believe she'd still hold up on the big screen as well. ¿Still, I'd love to have a 1:350 scale replica of Gabe Koerner's ship whether it be in the new movie or not. ¿But I hope you are correct, and it won't be.

Quote (Dare7 @ Jan. 21 2008, 4:00 pm)
Yes, I love the "Ships Of The Line" book. ?In it, there's the Gabe Koerner pic of the Enterprise. ?It states something to the effect that this was a speculative concept that was considered between TOS Enterprise and the movie Enterprise. ?But now it appears this G.K. ship is the "new" version of TOS Enterprise for the J.J. Abrams movie Star Trek XI.


There's no fact to substantiate that. ¿In fact, I'd go out on a limb to say there are facts to say that this model is not being used in Trek XI.

I certainly hope you are correct about that. ¿Although the "teaser" trailer clearly indicates the "new" version of the Enterprise, it also states "under construction" and it clearly is a teaser.

Quote
I'm calling this a "Bait-and-switch" which sucks, since this will "hook" in old fans. ?Just call it a re-imagining. ?But Nimoy shouldn't be involved unless he's playing a completely different character like Richard Hatch in the re-imagined BSG.

Disagree. ¿If anything, Nimoy playing Spock in this movie will at least (hopefully) aid in bridging the gap between "classic" Trek and "re-imagined" Trek.

Then I disagree squared, because you're talking a complete paradigm shift: "bridging the gap between "classice" and "re-imagined."? ¿That doesn't make any sense. ¿If it's re-imagined, it should't be bridging anything.

:eyesroll:
Quite right. ¿Keyword is "re-imagining".
IMO, I don't care for Koerner's design of the 1701.

Well, we're all intitled to our opinions, and although I do like the new so-called re-imagined look, I still have a great fondness for Matt Jeffries TOS Connie. ¿The fact that I work directly across the street from the Air And Space Museum and can visit the original anytime is a treat. ¿I also have the Master Replica 1:350 scale model and I love it. ¿I also have the remastered Star Trek on DVD with the updated F/X. ¿The old girl never looked more beautiful. ¿I believe she'd still hold up on the big screen as well. ¿Still, I'd love to have a 1:350 scale replica of Gabe Koerner's ship whether it be in the new movie or not. ¿But I hope you are correct, and it won't be.

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Report this Jan. 21 2008, 3:51 pm

I don't know what just happened.  Talk about paradigm shift.  Geez.:O

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Report this Jan. 21 2008, 3:56 pm

Quote (Dare7 @ Jan. 21 2008, 7:51 pm)
I don't know what just happened.  Talk about paradigm shift.  Geez.:O

:laugh:

Well, apparently the teaser trailer is out now, so you get a teasing peak of the new 1701 in that...

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Report this Jan. 22 2008, 10:25 am

Quote (_Roadhog_ @ Jan. 21 2008, 3:56 pm)
Well, apparently the teaser trailer is out now, so you get a teasing peak of the new 1701 in that...

But it is just a teaser.  And that "Under Construction" could also be a part of the tease.  I'm still pulling for your original point, _roadhog_, that the "new" ship may not be in the film at all.  Is the teaser really considered as evidence.  Oh well, I'll see the flick either way, I just hope Abrams won't pull a Singer and tell us to ignore TOS in favor of HIS vision, like when Brian Singer told us to ignore Superman 3 and 4.  Granted, those weren't the cream of the crop, but to just ignore them?  What? Are we supposed to never watch our DVD or VHS (or, heaven forbid, laser discs LOL) of Superman 3 and 4.  I don't recall Singer offering to pay everybody for the copies they've purchased over the years, and I don't see Abrams doing the same with our purchases of TOS either.  I will not ignore the past, but I am willing to give Abrams a shot.  I hope it's a good movie, no matter what, but if they ignore canon, fine.  If they ignore canon and have Nimoy playing an aged Spock, that's goofy.  But, hey, it's just a movie.  But if it doesn't do well, there'll probably be no sequel and Trek will probably die (for a time anyway).  Oh well, at least I have my DVDs, books, comics and replicas.  

 :D

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Report this Jan. 22 2008, 10:28 pm

Quote (Dare7 @ Jan. 22 2008, 9:25 am)
¿I hope it's a good movie, no matter what, but if they ignore canon, fine. ¿If they ignore canon and have Nimoy playing an aged Spock, that's goofy. ¿But, hey, it's just a movie. ¿

What? Who else would Nimoy be playing? Kirk?

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Report this Jan. 23 2008, 8:44 am

Quote (LtCmdrHanson @ Jan. 22 2008, 10:28 pm)
Quote (Dare7 @ Jan. 22 2008, 9:25 am)
?I hope it's a good movie, no matter what, but if they ignore canon, fine. ?If they ignore canon and have Nimoy playing an aged Spock, that's goofy. ?But, hey, it's just a movie. ?

What? Who else would Nimoy be playing? Kirk?

What? Who else would Nimoy be playing? Kirk?

Whow else would Richard (Apollo of TOS Battlestar Galactica) Hatch play?  Answer: Tom Zerek in the re-booted/re-imagined Battlestar Galactica.  It's a nod to TOS B.G.  AND, there was never a question of whether the new B.G. was a continuation or a reboot.  It was/is definitely a reboot.  J.J. Abrams' so-called new Star Trek is ambiguous at best as to whether it's a reboot or continuation (flashback of canon material).  It appears he is attempting to do both.  My point is if it's a total re-boot/re-imagining and Nimoy is it, he shouldn't be playing (an aged) Spock.  That is what I call a bait-and-switch.  Now, he could play Sarek (although that's already cast), or how about Surak as a flashback or something.  If it's a reboot, then have the balls to say it's a reboot and don't attempt to pull in old fans with the impression it's a continuation of the canon saga and then sneak in a new version of the Enterprise.  That's my opinion and all I'm saying, my friend.   ;)

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