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The Final theory: rethinking our scientific legacy

Tannagra

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Report this Jan. 15 2008, 12:44 pm

Its also quite telling when the two most valuable 'reviews' are from the science writer of a local newspaper, near where I live ironically, and someone with links to MicroSoft.

No NewYork Times, no Science Weekly, no Major Scientists..

:logical:

Bytales

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Report this Jan. 15 2008, 1:44 pm

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I'm more curious as to why the author just didn't make it as a website to read online for free.

I'm curios too, but this curiosity shouldn't stop us for reading the book ! It very very intresting to read what he has to say !

What if hes right, What if we are overlooking something we take for granted !

We need to open our eyes ! We need to consider every posibility precisely because it is a posibility !

Here is the book !
http://www.sendspace.com/file/70cjaa

And don't forget, it has to be provable, otherwise we're heading into 'pink unicorn' territory.

I read science books because they're correct, not because there's a slight chance that they might be correct. I'm sure if you had children you'd want them taught what we know to be right, not what the teacher thought up one morning, and he/she decided it was right.

Don't get me wrong, if this persons ideas can be proven scientifically and independently verifiable, then i'll go with it, until then its not science, its conjecture. Another thing which makes me very suspicious is why he just doesn't say what his ideas are? after all, other scientists do and are open about it without resorting to making people buy their books, of course its not about money....

Read the book and think on u're own, that's why u got a head on u're shoulder !

CaptainRobertVienna

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Report this Jan. 15 2008, 3:03 pm

Quote (Bytales @ Jan. 15 2008, 1:44 pm)
Quote (Tannagra @ Jan. 15 2008, 12:27 pm)
Quote (Bytales @ Jan. 15 2008, 12:16 pm)
Quote (GrandLunar2007 @ Jan. 05 2008, 4:12 pm)
I'm more curious as to why the author just didn't make it as a website to read online for free.

I'm curios too, but this curiosity shouldn't stop us for reading the book ! It very very intresting to read what he has to say !

What if hes right, What if we are overlooking something we take for granted !

We need to open our eyes ! We need to consider every posibility precisely because it is a posibility !

Here is the book !
http://www.sendspace.com/file/70cjaa

And don't forget, it has to be provable, otherwise we're heading into 'pink unicorn' territory.

I read science books because they're correct, not because there's a slight chance that they might be correct. I'm sure if you had children you'd want them taught what we know to be right, not what the teacher thought up one morning, and he/she decided it was right.

Don't get me wrong, if this persons ideas can be proven scientifically and independently verifiable, then i'll go with it, until then its not science, its conjecture. Another thing which makes me very suspicious is why he just doesn't say what his ideas are? after all, other scientists do and are open about it without resorting to making people buy their books, of course its not about money....

Read the book and think on u're own, that's why u got a head on u're shoulder !

I am using the head I have on my shoulders.

It is telling me "dont waste your money on a book by a crackpot." If I wanted to do that, Id just go out and by the next Terry Goodkind novel.

Tannagra

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Report this Jan. 15 2008, 3:04 pm

Quote (CaptainRobertVienna @ Jan. 15 2008, 3:03 pm)
Quote (Bytales @ Jan. 15 2008, 1:44 pm)
Quote (Tannagra @ Jan. 15 2008, 12:27 pm)
Quote (Bytales @ Jan. 15 2008, 12:16 pm)
Quote (GrandLunar2007 @ Jan. 05 2008, 4:12 pm)
I'm more curious as to why the author just didn't make it as a website to read online for free.

I'm curios too, but this curiosity shouldn't stop us for reading the book ! It very very intresting to read what he has to say !

What if hes right, What if we are overlooking something we take for granted !

We need to open our eyes ! We need to consider every posibility precisely because it is a posibility !

Here is the book !
http://www.sendspace.com/file/70cjaa

And don't forget, it has to be provable, otherwise we're heading into 'pink unicorn' territory.

I read science books because they're correct, not because there's a slight chance that they might be correct. I'm sure if you had children you'd want them taught what we know to be right, not what the teacher thought up one morning, and he/she decided it was right.

Don't get me wrong, if this persons ideas can be proven scientifically and independently verifiable, then i'll go with it, until then its not science, its conjecture. Another thing which makes me very suspicious is why he just doesn't say what his ideas are? after all, other scientists do and are open about it without resorting to making people buy their books, of course its not about money....

Read the book and think on u're own, that's why u got a head on u're shoulder !

I am using the head I have on my shoulders.

It is telling me "dont waste your money on a book by a crackpot." If I wanted to do that, Id just go out and by the next Terry Goodkind novel.

You'd probably be nearer the mark buying a Terry Pratchett novel.

;)

Bytales

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Report this Jan. 15 2008, 4:29 pm

I just gave u the link to download the book FREE ! What more do u want ?

http://www.sendspace.com/file/70cjaa

I can't believe u are all so stuborn ! It's attitude like this that keeps us from developing new technologies !
DAMN !

Soem one who read the book said:

Do yourself a huge favor and DO NOT PERMIT YOURSELF to be one of the close minded, bigoted or self adulating people who will have difficulty being patient and open minded enough to read all the way through the book. Such people will leap to a negative conclusion about the entirety of Mark's "Final Theory" based upon their not understanding or mis-understanding and negative reaction to some point along the way. I was tempted to do so, myself. But, as I continued to read I found that later information gave me good reason to be pleased that I had not dismissed the book out of hand.

And he is sooooo right !

GrandLunar2007

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Report this Jan. 15 2008, 8:37 pm

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I can't believe u are all so stuborn ! It's attitude like this that keeps us from developing new technologies !


The attitude is called "skepticism". It is a useful method that keeps people from shilling out their money to crackpots and pseudo-scientists that claim to know more than anyone else, despite not having their ideas peer reviewed.

New technologies do not come from people that claim accepted science is false, and that their vision is correct. Nor does it come from people making conspiracy claims.

New technology comes from people that either make use of known science, or manages to develope new science that can be backed up with observations and/or experimentation.

I've met people like the author before. They seem clever and insightful, until one digs deeper, either into their ideas, or into real science.

Those like the author count on other people not being fluent in science. They appeal to ignorance, trying to take a hero's stand in the eyes of those that don't know enough to refute what they say.

It's one thing to have an open mind, so long as you use a filter to keep out junk.

NathanielHayes

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Report this Jan. 15 2008, 11:14 pm

Open minded....I believe that FTL travel is possible through some means....I think from a scientific point of view, I'm not only open minded, I've left the front door open and the alarm turned off...it doesn't mean I have to leave the family safe open as well.

As far as this book is concerned, I'm already familiar with some of his theories, and have concluded he is wrong...a Black hole is not the same thing as a burnt out light bulb...it's as bad of an analogy as a phaser is merely a brighter lightbulb.

And I'm sorry if you feel offended by me accusing you of being a potential identity thief, but you wanted an email address, which opens one up to spam, which opens one up to identity theft if not careful.  That's actually the entire plot point behind the new Futurama movie, which is why I referenced it.

Bytales

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Report this Jan. 16 2008, 4:31 pm

Just shut up and read the book ! U can download it for free from this adress here !

http://www.sendspace.com/file/70cjaa

Read it all and let me know what u think afterwards, not before !
And i don't need ure email adress any more !

Bytales

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Report this Jan. 16 2008, 5:32 pm

Just shut up and read the book ! U can download it for free from this adress here !

http://www.sendspace.com/file/70cjaa

Read it all and let me know what u think afterwards, not before !
And i don't need ure email adress any more !

CaptainRobertVienna

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Report this Jan. 19 2008, 4:35 am

Quote (Bytales @ Jan. 16 2008, 5:32 pm)
Just shut up and read the book ! U can download it for free from this adress here !

http://www.sendspace.com/file/70cjaa

Read it all and let me know what u think afterwards, not before !
And i don't need ure email adress any more !

What is your understanding of the workings of science?

Just as a baseline...

GrandLunar2007

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Report this Jan. 20 2008, 7:39 pm

:honorable:

GrandLunar2007

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Report this Jan. 20 2008, 7:43 pm

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Just shut up and read the book !


That's a poor way to get anyone to do anything, Bytales.

Would you want someone to pester you to read "Dune", "Lord of the Rings", "Battlefield Earth", or "The Food of the Gods"?

Let people make their own descisions. We can be skeptical if we want. We do not have to read every book that comes out. I haven't even read every legitiment science book that's out there. Just enough of them to be educated and to know where people like the author of the book you advertise go wrong.

Instead of pushing this book on us, why don't you simply ask questions to see if the author has any credibility to his claims?

If you wish, I can give you places that are great for this.

Bytales

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Report this Jan. 25 2008, 10:53 am

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Just shut up and read the book !


That's a poor way to get anyone to do anything, Bytales.

Would you want someone to pester you to read "Dune", "Lord of the Rings", "Battlefield Earth", or "The Food of the Gods"?

Let people make their own descisions. We can be skeptical if we want. We do not have to read every book that comes out. I haven't even read every legitiment science book that's out there. Just enough of them to be educated and to know where people like the author of the book you advertise go wrong.

Instead of pushing this book on us, why don't you simply ask questions to see if the author has any credibility to his claims?

If you wish, I can give you places that are great for this.

Ofcourse i would like to hear of those places, becaus, as a matter of fact, there are severals things i would like to ask the author, or another person who believes what thisbooks is saying !

For instance, let me give u an example ! In this book, if u read it, u will learn that antimatter doesn't exist, and it is mearly something we invented, from our observations ! It explains very well how antimatter came to be, in our minds that is, and that is all a misunderstanding !

Now i would like to ask the author, if this antimatter is a fabulations, how the PET works !

The PET is a nuclear medicine medical imaging technique which produces a three-dimensional image or map of functional processes in the body detecting pairs of gamma rays emitted indirectly by a positron-emitting radioisotope, introduced in a metabolically active molecule, the most common one being  fluorodeoxyglucose .

The positron is the antimatter particle of the electron ! If it is all a fabulation, how is this PET thing working from the perspective of Expansion theory (if u want to know more about this thery read the book).

Now that's a question i would like to ask the author !

NathanielHayes

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Report this Jan. 26 2008, 1:47 am

You've just proven why we should be skeptical...

Let me put it to the people in a way John Doe can understand...

If I make the argument that a lightbulb goes dark because "by flipping the switch, I throw a macroscopic curtain over it" I'd better have some remarkable proof to back that up, and further more, I'd better be willing to tell everyone I meet.

This man, the author, says, I have proof, pay me for that proof...which is highly suspicious to me.

It strikes me as the equivalent of "I'm an excellent boxer, pay me and I'll prove it too you."

I will admit the progenitor of this thread is saying, "I'll show you how this guy fights for free."
He has yet to show me "this boxer" has anything I'd be interested in learning.

Bytales

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Report this Feb. 01 2008, 4:07 am

Well, has anyone read the book, or at least a part of it ? Any opinions os far ?

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