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Before Dishonor

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Report this Apr. 05 2008, 9:18 pm

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Thanx. Just from reading that page I would have to agree with you that he was incredibly jealous, however, until we "hear it straight from the horse's mouth" then we can never be entirely sure.

They were published more than 16 years apart... give me a break, there was absolutely no reason for him to have to "legitimize" his prior novel.
Why couldn't it have been left for what it was, it was an incredible novel as a stand-alone... but now, both novels were harmed because they were tied together, instead of BD being wholly tied to the TNG Relaunch... which it should have been.

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Report this Apr. 06 2008, 11:51 am

Will there ever be a time when we finally see the end of the Borg? Everytime the Borg have managed to save themselves from destruction but why must we continually rehash them? Eventually its going to get extremely old....

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Report this Apr. 06 2008, 12:07 pm

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Will there ever be a time when we finally see the end of the Borg? Everytime the Borg have managed to save themselves from destruction but why must we continually rehash them? Eventually its going to get extremely old....

but I think that's what makes the borg scary. They can't be stopped. They just keep adapting to whatever anyone does and they just keep comming.

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Report this Apr. 06 2008, 12:17 pm

I'll agree with addition of the asorbtion factor it has made them more terrifying and the fact that they have destroyed the prototype and the other one is stuck in some temporal loop (or something or other). However, the only means of defeating them now is to create weapons of infinte destruction (or as close as one can get).

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Report this Apr. 06 2008, 1:58 pm

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Here are my thoughts *MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS*

The good aspects of the novel is the ending and the munity that occurs on board the Enterprise.

:O
I don't get it. The mutiny was the one thing I HATED about this book. (I was getting angry as I read it) Am I the only one that thinks humans in Trek should be above such petty disputes? ¿

My opinion of the new crew members took a massive dive with this book. The closed minded admirals aren't much better.

The thing between Kadohata and Leybenzon... where did that come from?!

Despite this, Peter David continues to write in a way that has me unable to put his books down until the end. I was also surprised how how much I liked Seven in this one.

I agree with this long dead post! Death to Leybenzon and his stupidity of hitting on a married superior!

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Report this Apr. 06 2008, 2:42 pm

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I'll agree with addition of the asorbtion factor it has made them more terrifying and the fact that they have destroyed the prototype and the other one is stuck in some temporal loop (or something or other). However, the only means of defeating them now is to create weapons of infinte destruction (or as close as one can get).

infinite destruction...??
Isn't that... slight overkill?

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Report this Apr. 07 2008, 4:03 pm

that's the problem with introducing the asorbtion factor. Now that the borg don't bother assimilating, it is utterly fruitless in trying to battle with them, so Stafleet surely has to be thinking that its time for a one hit wonder.

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Report this Apr. 22 2008, 5:37 pm

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One question: how is it possible that the crew of the Enterprise was able to go to Trophy World and take the planet eater without encountering any one there? There are references to a gift shop and there must be people responsible for maintaining all the ships, so why is it that no one greeted or challenged Picard?

They were all in the gift shop.

I wondered that too. But then I guess they must have outranked anyone at the trophy world. I mean the best ship in Starfleet, and a tourist attraction; where do you think the better officers would be? So maybe they just used their rank.

-Nate-

after the novelty of the return of the planet killer wore off, I thought it was a terrible deus ex machina...

so why the heck didn't the Federation use the planet killer in any one of numerous doomsday scenarios they've encountered over the last ~100 years, including previous multiple Borg incursions.

Not as if something like that would've come in handy during The Dominion War.

Agree that the Doomsday machine was a bit convienient, especially since the Federation had plenty of occasions where they could have used it prior to this.

But another thing that bothered me was the fact that, despite the fact that a planet-sized Borg cube (and a small number of Borg starships) were within a stone-throw of Earth, Starfleet seemingly forgot about the technology that Voyager brought home with it (in "Endgame") - the Transphasic torpedeos and the hull armour. Okay, fitting that tech might have taken time but surely they could have outfitted at least one ship with it. And although one could argue that they didn't forget that tech and wanted to uphold the temporal prime directive, it would seem like an EXTREMELY weak excuse to use when basically facing certain doom!

Agreed with your point as well, Shuttle.
One thing to note though, the Borg Queen did say near the conclusion of "Endgame" that she had assimilated the new armour tech.
So it would likely be useless against the Borg from then on...

However, one would then make the point, the armour tech would be extremely valuable to Starfleet against any other potential aggressor, in the AQ or otherwise.

Not sure if the Borg assimilated the transphasic torp tech though...

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Report this Apr. 24 2008, 7:53 pm

perhaps we should just throw BD out of the TNG relaunch series, and ST book canon as well....

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Report this Apr. 24 2008, 8:24 pm

you would think there is...all the books build upon each other, so I would think that they have their own seperate canon, since their not apart of the established canon (the shows and movies, except TAS)

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Report this Oct. 11 2010, 8:51 am

Aaaahhhh! Terrible, terrible, TERRIBLE book! It was the death of janeway that got me when I first heard about it but then I realized that it wasn't the books only flaw. Characters weren't themselves like in the other books or tv shows at all. They were the complete oppisite. The only good thing about this book was the plot, which could have been better too. 1 star. Ugh.
Zeroarmour does have an interesting idea though. Anybody got any gunpowder?

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Report this Oct. 11 2010, 10:14 am

I personally really enjoyed the book, thought it mixed in too much though. It had Q, the borg, voyager characters, spock, mackenzie calhoun, the planet killer, etc. It just seemed a little beyond belief to have so many tie ins. I thought it was a great story and left it open for janeway to have a sisko-like return. I loved the destruction of pluto. "well that solves the dilemma about what to call it," I loved the idea of the museum shipyard, hope it is revisited.
I also thought it seemed a bit of a stretch the planet kilter was built to fight the borg and was controlled from inside a giant telepathic crystal.

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