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catabboud

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Report this Oct. 22 2007, 4:45 pm

Hello,
I was hoping someone would be able to help me out, with the order in which to read the Shatner's books ...

I've read Ashes of Eden, & The Return and have started Avenger, but I've noticed ones like Captain's Blood and books before that ... if someone could help me out, that would be great. Thanks!

PS - What's the story with Sean Hawk in the Titan books ... was he gay or did the Trill move to another human after his death.  (I don't get the whole Trill thing, I'm still fairly new to ST).

ArtRobot

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Report this Oct. 22 2007, 5:17 pm

I love these books. The writing style and vast Trek knowledge of "co-writers" Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens make for epic adventures I wish the movies would emulate (IMO)

Odyssey trilogy:
The Ashes of Eden
The Return
Avenger

Mirror Universe trilogy:
Spectre
Dark Victory
Preserver

Totality trilogy:
Captain's Peril
Captain's Blood
Captain's Glory

http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/Shatnerverse

The newest book is a prequel chronicling  the first meeting of Spock and Kirk and their joining Starfleet Academy (not the plot of next film).  It's ok, but I think the next one will be better.

PS - Yes, Sean Hawk was gay

Josh_Lyman

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Report this Oct. 22 2007, 9:51 pm

Quote (catabboud @ Oct. 21 2007, 5:45 pm)
Hello,
I was hoping someone would be able to help me out, with the order in which to read the Shatner's books ...

I've read Ashes of Eden, & The Return and have started Avenger, but I've noticed ones like Captain's Blood and books before that ... if someone could help me out, that would be great. Thanks!

PS - What's the story with Sean Hawk in the Titan books ... was he gay or did the Trill move to another human after his death. ¿(I don't get the whole Trill thing, I'm still fairly new to ST).

William Shatner didn't write the books with his name on it. Judith and Garfield  Reeves-Stevens wrote them. The publishers use Shatner's name to boost sales and the give him a percentage of the sales.

eveningstar1

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Report this Oct. 24 2007, 9:03 pm

there's no proof one way or the other

_Roadhog_

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Report this Oct. 25 2007, 1:35 pm

Quote (Josh_Lyman @ Oct. 23 2007, 1:51 am)
*snip*
William Shatner didn't write the books with his name on it. Judith and Garfield  Reeves-Stevens wrote them. The publishers use Shatner's name to boost sales and the give him a percentage of the sales.

Realistically, that's likely true, but I'm yet to see "evidence" to support that.

tribblenator999

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Report this Oct. 25 2007, 3:33 pm

Quote (Josh_Lyman @ Oct. 22 2007, 9:51 pm)
Quote (catabboud @ Oct. 21 2007, 5:45 pm)
Hello,
I was hoping someone would be able to help me out, with the order in which to read the Shatner's books ...

I've read Ashes of Eden, & The Return and have started Avenger, but I've noticed ones like Captain's Blood and books before that ... if someone could help me out, that would be great. Thanks!

PS - What's the story with Sean Hawk in the Titan books ... was he gay or did the Trill move to another human after his death. ?(I don't get the whole Trill thing, I'm still fairly new to ST).

William Shatner didn't write the books with his name on it. Judith and Garfield ¿Reeves-Stevens wrote them. The publishers use Shatner's name to boost sales and the give him a percentage of the sales.

Even if Judith and Garfield  Reeves-Stevens what the hell did they do to Captain Kirk. Old Kirk is a completely different person compared to young-mid age Kirk.  Old Kirk hates starfleet, he doesn't like tech, likes klingon women, and doesn't even acknowledge that he is a legend. This is not Kirk.

tribblenator999

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Report this Oct. 25 2007, 3:36 pm

Quote (ArtRobot @ Oct. 22 2007, 5:17 pm)
I love these books. The writing style and vast Trek knowledge of "co-writers" Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens make for epic adventures I wish the movies would emulate (IMO)

Odyssey trilogy:
The Ashes of Eden
The Return
Avenger

Mirror Universe trilogy:
Spectre
Dark Victory
Preserver

Totality trilogy:
Captain's Peril
Captain's Blood
Captain's Glory

http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/Shatnerverse

The newest book is a prequel chronicling ¿the first meeting of Spock and Kirk and their joining Starfleet Academy (not the plot of next film). ¿It's ok, but I think the next one will be better.

PS - Yes, Sean Hawk was gay

This doesn't make sense (just for canon reasons, assuming these books are canon) Sopck and kirk only and only met when Pike got promoted and Kirk gets the Enterprise. Before that Kirk didn't even know Spock exists. So if they should do a story where Spock and Kirk meet it should be when Kirk gets the Enterprise or before where no man has gone before. (If this is not canon then that's cool Spock and Kirk could meet when they were kids in preschool)

_Roadhog_

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Report this Oct. 25 2007, 3:40 pm

Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 25 2007, 7:33 pm)
Even if Judith and Garfield  Reeves-Stevens what the hell did they do to Captain Kirk. Old Kirk is a completely different person compared to young-mid age Kirk.  Old Kirk hates starfleet, he doesn't like tech, likes klingon women, and doesn't even acknowledge that he is a legend. This is not Kirk.

to nitpick, I do believe Teilani is a Klingon-Romulan hybrid.

Sybok33

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Report this Oct. 25 2007, 5:37 pm

Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 24 2007, 4:33 pm)
Quote (Josh_Lyman @ Oct. 22 2007, 9:51 pm)
Quote (catabboud @ Oct. 21 2007, 5:45 pm)
Hello,
I was hoping someone would be able to help me out, with the order in which to read the Shatner's books ...

I've read Ashes of Eden, & The Return and have started Avenger, but I've noticed ones like Captain's Blood and books before that ... if someone could help me out, that would be great. Thanks!

PS - What's the story with Sean Hawk in the Titan books ... was he gay or did the Trill move to another human after his death. ?(I don't get the whole Trill thing, I'm still fairly new to ST).

William Shatner didn't write the books with his name on it. Judith and Garfield ?Reeves-Stevens wrote them. The publishers use Shatner's name to boost sales and the give him a percentage of the sales.

Even if Judith and Garfield ¿Reeves-Stevens what the hell did they do to Captain Kirk. Old Kirk is a completely different person compared to young-mid age Kirk. ¿Old Kirk hates starfleet, he doesn't like tech, likes klingon women, and doesn't even acknowledge that he is a legend. This is not Kirk.

Yeah they really transposed Kirk to Shatner.

ArtRobot

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Report this Oct. 25 2007, 8:07 pm

Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 25 2007, 3:33 pm)
...Old Kirk is a completely different person compared to young-mid age Kirk Old Kirk hates starfleet, he doesn't like tech, likes klingon women, and doesn't even acknowledge that he is a legend. This is not Kirk.

If you looked into it, you would find any older man is likely not who they were in their youth, and how do you know what death and resurrection does to a man, especially when they've missed 75 years?  I would also say you have exaggerated a bit, at least in regards to his 'hate'. A man doesn't have to hate something to decide that he can be happy without it. I personally appreciate the character development.

Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 22 2007, 5:17 pm)
This doesn't make sense (just for canon reasons, assuming these books are canon) Sopck and kirk only and only met when Pike got promoted and Kirk gets the Enterprise. Before that Kirk didn't even know Spock exists. So if they should do a story where Spock and Kirk meet it should be when Kirk gets the Enterprise or before where no man has gone before. (If this is not canon then that's cool Spock and Kirk could meet when they were kids in preschool)

Welcome to Trek novel discussion. No book is canon. Canon = what is seen or heard on broadcast TV or Theatrical release.
Quote the lines and site the episode or movie that establishes Kirk and Spock did not know each other prior to Kirk's posting on Enterprise, as Captain. Don't confuse assumption with canon.  Also, these "Shatnerverse" novels are a separate continuity from other Trek novels

Now, if you say the new book breaks the bounds of believability (even for Trek) then I would agree with you on certain (as yet unmentioned) aspects of the novel.

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Report this Oct. 26 2007, 1:42 pm

Quote (ArtRobot @ Oct. 25 2007, 8:07 pm)
Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 25 2007, 3:33 pm)
...Old Kirk is a completely different person compared to young-mid age Kirk Old Kirk hates starfleet, he doesn't like tech, likes klingon women, and doesn't even acknowledge that he is a legend. This is not Kirk.

If you looked into it, you would find any older man is likely not who they were in their youth, and how do you know what death and resurrection does to a man, especially when they've missed 75 years? ¿I would also say you have exaggerated a bit, at least in regards to his 'hate'. A man doesn't have to hate something to decide that he can be happy without it. I personally appreciate the character development.

Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 22 2007, 5:17 pm)
This doesn't make sense (just for canon reasons, assuming these books are canon) Sopck and kirk only and only met when Pike got promoted and Kirk gets the Enterprise. Before that Kirk didn't even know Spock exists. So if they should do a story where Spock and Kirk meet it should be when Kirk gets the Enterprise or before where no man has gone before. (If this is not canon then that's cool Spock and Kirk could meet when they were kids in preschool)

Welcome to Trek novel discussion. No book is canon. Canon = what is seen or heard on broadcast TV or Theatrical release.
Quote the lines and site the episode or movie that establishes Kirk and Spock did not know each other prior to Kirk's posting on Enterprise, as Captain. Don't confuse assumption with canon. ¿Also, these "Shatnerverse" novels are a separate continuity from other Trek novels

Now, if you say the new book breaks the bounds of believability (even for Trek) then I would agree with you on certain (as yet unmentioned) aspects of the novel.

I know no older man is the same as when they were young but they shouldn't be a completely different person a 80 year old man should still have a little bit of his youthful self (humor, etc). He doesn't hate starfleet but he tries to deny he was ever in starfleet.  Thanks I'm normally on the General discussion, TOS, and Enterprise  board more topics to talk about over there. I know books aren't canon but they're the best we got at filling in the blank in between movies, t.v. series, or even episodes. You got me there I can't site from any media that spock and Kirk never met prior to the Enterprise. I just assumed this because they both had different postings before the Enterprise so I guess it's hard to meet when I'm stationed in Japan when you're stationed in England. Glad you agree with me on something.

ArtRobot

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Report this Oct. 26 2007, 9:00 pm

Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 26 2007, 1:42 pm)
I know no older man is the same as when they were young but they shouldn't be a completely different person a 80 year old man should still have a little bit of his youthful self (humor, etc). He doesn't hate starfleet but he tries to deny he was ever in starfleet. ...I know books aren't canon but they're the best we got at filling in the blank in between movies, t.v. series, or even episodes.

I'll also admit that I have a willing suspension of disbelief with these novels because I usually like the way they are written.

I base my opinion of a man's ability to change, on my two 80(ish) year old grandfathers and my own changing ways in my not quite 30 years.  There's a clear mellowing out that occurs and I disagree that this Kirk is so drastically different than he was (at his core).  He still has that strong moral compass, passion, and heart that I have always admired about his character, but he finds himself confronted by a much different Starfleet than the one he was a part of. This 24th century Starfleet seems to have much more red tape and Admiral Janeway is much more rigid than he is used to. It's like he's out of the frontier days where he had been able to just fly by the seat of his pants, but he sees how Picard is so much more thoughtful about everything, and Kirk just becomes resigned to the fact that this isn't his Starfleet anymore and he needs to find his own way in this new world, unfortunately events outside himself prevent him from enjoying a peaceful retirement.  

I mean, all of sci-fi is just speculative fiction and I have personally enjoyed this particular speculation on how a resurrected Kirk would adapt to a 24th century galaxy, on top of which, we also get the Federation shaking events that should be the subject of any Trek film (as long as they come out so infrequently)

Likewise, I feel that the Academy novel offers an interesting pre-Starfleet view of Kirk battling his inner demons, though I wasn't fond of the antagonist or the ham handed attempt at novelty near the end of the book. It could possibly be redeemed in my eyes if the Starfleet officer who was looking over Kirk gets carted away to the nut house in the second book, but I don't think that will happen. I just hope the writers got this particular novelty out of their system and the next one shows us more of how this adolescent Kirk comes closer to the Starfleet officer we meet in TOS

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Report this Oct. 27 2007, 3:04 pm

Quote (ArtRobot @ Oct. 26 2007, 9:00 pm)
Quote (tribblenator999 @ Oct. 26 2007, 1:42 pm)
I know no older man is the same as when they were young but they shouldn't be a completely different person a 80 year old man should still have a little bit of his youthful self (humor, etc). He doesn't hate starfleet but he tries to deny he was ever in starfleet. ...I know books aren't canon but they're the best we got at filling in the blank in between movies, t.v. series, or even episodes.

I'll also admit that I have a willing suspension of disbelief with these novels because I usually like the way they are written.

I base my opinion of a man's ability to change, on my two 80(ish) year old grandfathers and my own changing ways in my not quite 30 years. ¿There's a clear mellowing out that occurs and I disagree that this Kirk is so drastically different than he was (at his core). ¿He still has that strong moral compass, passion, and heart that I have always admired about his character, but he finds himself confronted by a much different Starfleet than the one he was a part of. This 24th century Starfleet seems to have much more red tape and Admiral Janeway is much more rigid than he is used to. It's like he's out of the frontier days where he had been able to just fly by the seat of his pants, but he sees how Picard is so much more thoughtful about everything, and Kirk just becomes resigned to the fact that this isn't his Starfleet anymore and he needs to find his own way in this new world, unfortunately events outside himself prevent him from enjoying a peaceful retirement. ¿

I mean, all of sci-fi is just speculative fiction and I have personally enjoyed this particular speculation on how a resurrected Kirk would adapt to a 24th century galaxy, on top of which, we also get the Federation shaking events that should be the subject of any Trek film (as long as they come out so infrequently)

Likewise, I feel that the Academy novel offers an interesting pre-Starfleet view of Kirk battling his inner demons, though I wasn't fond of the antagonist or the ham handed attempt at novelty near the end of the book. It could possibly be redeemed in my eyes if the Starfleet officer who was looking over Kirk gets carted away to the nut house in the second book, but I don't think that will happen. I just hope the writers got this particular novelty out of their system and the next one shows us more of how this adolescent Kirk comes closer to the Starfleet officer we meet in TOS

Kirk did change but not so drastically he still has the passion, morality, and the heart. This I will agree with you. I see where you are getting at. Kirk is in a different time surrounded by stricter rules, stricter kinds of people, stricter play setting. This is what adds to his "growth". It's kind of like you were a scotland yard police officer in the 19th century then you suddenly got dragged onto the 21st century scotland yard fighting crimes that you have no idea how to fight. I think Kirk would've liked it if he were in Archers' time no red tape and he would be in a true frontier.

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