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The President claims: "On the issue of evolution, the verdict is still out on how God created the earth,".

Here is something to think about. If a god or gods or goddess or goddesses did create all this leads to the notion of that in order to create one must first be created. One cannot create without being created. So who created god or that which created us? This notion when answered with another god which in religious terms means forever or infinite created all the same question of who created that god which created that god which created that god which created us has to be asked, but since the notion of a single god creating all leads to a paradoxial conudrum the real answer is that no one really knows how the Universe began, becaus if the Universe had a single starting point, then from where did that starting point begin? This simple question of being unaswerable leads us to the reality that the Universe is infinite, without bounds and based upon the statistics of an infinite Universe with an infinite number of planets the probability of at least one other planet other then Earth being able to support life or a planet having life on it either similiar to Humans or not is 100%. There is not an edge to the Universe, what would happen if we fell off the edge of the Universe, we would what? Fall into more space?

Humanity evovled, this can also be shown as true just by looking at how humans come about. We all start out as tiny sperm that can only be seen with a microscope. When the sperm and egg combine, cells start to grow. Although this process is the same as how bacteria form, we rise above the bacterial filth  when our central nervous system starts to form.

We are not actually HUMAN until the umbilical cord from the mother who thinks for us and supports all life functions while in the womb is severed and we come into the world kicking and screaming "PUT ME BACK, HEY WHAT IS THAT?! Or "Interesting"  

The only issue left to solve in the Human mystery is what caused the celluar mutation that brought us out of the primordial soup and put us above the lowly bacteria?

So who created God?

you realize that if something did there would be nothing. That would be an infinite chain of creators with no infinite value(god).

It's about like making a blade with no iron because there isn't anything to make the ore.

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Quote besides, evolution is a religion anyway. Please stop making a fool of yourself on this forum.

show me all the millions of missing links that Darwin said had to found to justify his theory. until they are found, you have to have a massive amount of faith beleiving they exist (hence what i said about evolution being a religion) when you dont have any proof they do exist.

Evolution is not a theory, it is scientific fact, I am not talking about Darwin either but science.

Religion professes that a singular god created all, in ancient times there were many gods that were used to describe what was going on in the natural environment. These notions of god are nothing more then people who do not live in the light of scientific truth, but would rather live in the darkness of self professed idiotcy to make theirself sound like they know the truth. Religion is nothing more then the feeble minded and un-intelligent trying to make theirself seem intelligent and almighty.


The question still remains. If a god did create all as Genesis states and God said "Let there be light" then god would had to have been created. Religion lives in a paradoxial illusioniated world where they try to make people think what they say is correct but since they come from the shallow end of the thought pool, they cannot let go of this notion and grow a pair venture out into the unknown to find out what is out there.

So who created god?

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there's a reason that its still called the "theory of evolution". if they did have proof, those scientists who totally believe it's what happened would stop calling it "the theory of evolution". as it is, they still call it "the theory of evolution".

And that's the great thing about science, not only is it open to new ideas challenging current thinking, science encourages it.  Were irrefutable evidence to surface tomorrow disproving evolution, or Big Bang, or anything else fundies get their knackers in a twist about, the scientific community would scratch their heads, think "huh, that's interesting," then go about their business.

Try doing that with an organized religion, and the response tended to involve torches and being tied to a stake.

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there's a reason that its still called the "theory of evolution".

You're right, there is a reason that it's called the Theory of Evolution.

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if they did have proof, those scientists who totally believe it's what happened would stop calling it "the theory of evolution". as it is, they still call it "the theory of evolution".

Oh, and you were doing so well! Instead, though, you made yourself look like a retard.

Of course, I'm not surprised.

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Quote (HisRoyalHighnessTheKing @ Oct. 19 2007, 11:04 pm) Quote besides, evolution is a religion anyway. Please stop making a fool of yourself on this forum. show me all the millions of missing links that Darwin said had to found to justify his theory. until they are found, you have to have a massive amount of faith beleiving they exist (hence what i said about evolution being a religion) when you dont have any proof they do exist.

For an animal, in fact for anything, to fossilise it takes alot of things to happen, if you get one animal in 1000,000 youre very lucky.

On that note, if we discovered every 'missing link', something would be very amiss.

On the subject of 'transitional fossils', every animal that ever lived is basically a transitional lifeform; you are a transitional form between your parents and your children. We also can tell, approximately, when different animal groups split from each other by comparing the difference in their DNA. Different species DNA mutates at a certain rate; know the number of mutations and you know the approximate date of its last common ancestor.

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there's a reason that its still called the "theory of evolution". if they did have proof, those scientists who totally believe it's what happened would stop calling it "the theory of evolution". as it is, they still call it "the theory of evolution".

I think your confusing "theory" with hypothesis here. A hypothesis is an idea that is formed to explain observed events. A theory is what you get after significant evidence, or if you prefer, proof has been gathered. A theory can still be overturned by a way of explaining events that better fits the evidence at hand. That does not mean that it is scientifically correct to substitute a theoretical explanation with any old explanation that fits your fancy based on a whim or on some nostalgic desire to embrace an ancient myth.

Having said that, I should add that I think religion can peacefully co-exist with science. Religious education and beliefs can help to instill a sense of morality and decency in people. It can best do that not by tackling science head on, but by supplementing science with an insistence on the value and dignity of human life. A very enlightened pastor that I know once explained to me that religion and science should be seen as pursuing a common goal: the quest for the truth. I think that approach can result in avoiding a split into mutually hostile camps, an outcome which does neither side much good.

I understand what youre trying to say Caltrek, though that again touches onto the 'Humans get morality from religion' aspect.

I can only speak for myself, but i don't feel the need to Steal, rape or vandalise due to a lack of religious faith.

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I understand what youre trying to say Caltrek, though that again touches onto the 'Humans get morality from religion' aspect. I can only speak for myself, but i don't feel the need to Steal, rape or vandalise due to a lack of religious faith.

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I can only speak for myself, but i don't feel the need to Steal, rape or vandalise due to a lack of religious faith.

Nor do I, but does your restraint come from science or from a human and subjective "bias" on that matter?

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I can only speak for myself, but i don't feel the need to Steal, rape or vandalise due to a lack of religious faith.

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Its something called Altruism, which was also present in our ape ancestors, as its present in modern apes.

Makes one wonder how much "progress" our species is really making.

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Quote (caltrek @ Oct. 21 2007, 9:10 am)

Quote Its something called Altruism, which was also present in our ape ancestors, as its present in modern apes. Makes on wonder how much "progress" our species is really making. ¿

Same here!