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It is kind of Sad

Bballtrekky

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Report this Aug. 27 2007, 3:11 am

It seems like star trek isn't big enough to have its own conventions (except vegas).

Instead we get cons like FEDCON (which I'm sure is great but just not an "official trek convention"),Shoreleave, Farpoint etc....

This makes me sad.

What are your thoughts?

vgrbabe

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Report this Aug. 27 2007, 7:09 am

You do know that creation does more than just the Vegas con every year right? There are at least three others a year. In fact I've already been to one in July, and am going to one in November, both done by creation. They are also doing two more cons that started out to be strictly Star Trek, but now are Star Trek/Star Wars/Battlestar.

Helmgirlie

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Report this Aug. 27 2007, 8:37 am

I am just sad that there are more and more huge autograph events. Just a quick signing, no guest talks, no nothing.. It's quick money for the stars, but it's not real fun for the people who visit.

vgrbabe

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Report this Aug. 27 2007, 9:15 am

Quote (Helmgirlie @ Aug. 27 2007, 8:37 am)
I am just sad that there are more and more huge autograph events. Just a quick signing, no guest talks, no nothing.. It's quick money for the stars, but it's not real fun for the people who visit.

Yeah, it's a shame that's the way it's going. I remember my first convention I paid at the door to get in, and then didn't have to pay seperately for an autograph, I just had to provide the thing to sign.

Regardless, the two last conventions I went two were the most fun I've ever had (including my wedding hehe)

Targallian

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Report this Aug. 27 2007, 11:07 am

Well, I've been to a couple of cons this year that weren't really that way as far as autograph session go. The Galaxy of Stars con in Jackson MS was great and I got to visit with all of the guest for a little while (Siritis, Wang, Russ, Keating, Billingsley with his wife Bonita, and Nogoulich). At the Vulkon convention in Columbus, Russ, Billingsley, and Lofton were all available in the autograph room and took pics with people and visited. They ran everyone through the lines for Brooks and Mulgrew, but they did say at least a few words.

At Vegas, everyone spoke at least a little bit except Shatner and Nimoy. But, yes, it was much less personal.

I have been to conventions where you paid the admission and the stars signed autographs for free, but I've also been to conventions where the guest came in and spoke on stage and then had to leave immediately afterwards and didn't sign any autographs.

For those of you that have been going to convention over the last 20 or more years as I have, you probably have noticed that "autograph tickets" that you had to purchase at conventions started about the same time that ebay gained popularity. In the late 90s, people would come to cons, bring 10 or so pictures to get signed and then sell them online. And, of course, there are forgeries to contend with as well. I think the autograph tickets are an attempt to regulate that. I don't think it is working, but it is an attempt.

WrathOfJon

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Report this Sep. 02 2007, 6:34 pm

Theres just so many times you can see the same guests. Years ago, you didn't have to pay extra to take a photo with them. Creation would have their main star sign for free with the price of admission. Autograph prices have gotten so high , you can get legit ones on ebay for cheaper. Ebay has hurt conventions as it used to be another reason to go to cons was for the merchandise. There is a wider variety and cheaper prices on ebay and forums. I have been going to cons for 20 years and Creation cons are my least favorite. They aren't very fan friendly compared to other con companies over the years. I prefer guests from different genres as opposed to Trek only guests. The best cons I have ever been to were the Star Wars cons & Chiller Theatre.

SpaceGirl76

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Report this Sep. 02 2007, 9:20 pm

I agree that the autograph prices were pretty high, and that Creation is a money-gouging company, who cares more about making a profit than their patrons having a good time.  My biggest complaint is that ridiculous $7 "processing fee" for every ticket.  Though they see it as a way of gaining money, I actually think they're losing money because of it.  I probably would have purchased a bunch more photo ops had it not been for the fee, because $7 keeps adding up.

Anyway, I do think that they have to charge for autographs, though, at least for the larger conventions.  Can you imagine how much longer the autograph lines would have been at Vegas had everybody there been able to get free autographs of whoever they liked?  :bugout:  The stars never would've been able to get back to their hotel rooms, and there'd be tons more threads on here complaining about the long lines!  :p

trekker670

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Report this Sep. 02 2007, 9:42 pm

I think if each ticket (depending on which you get) receives a set amount of tickets/credits for the actor(s) of their choice, would be acceptable. They could even have it so you have to preorder the auto tickets, so 1 main actor doesnt get 1000 people when another get 100. They could even for the big/rare guests take maybe 2 credits, whereas the more common only cost 1

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Report this Sep. 09 2007, 9:56 am

I think they deserve every penny earned and have no complaints.  Any idea how hard it is to plan an event like that?  Try just planning your family reunion and see what kind of turnout you can get unless you put serious energy into it.  See how much it costs you in postage fees, printing costs, etc.  It's not free.  And now we're talking about a real pro event.  This isn't just a part-time thing some dudes do on the side, it's a full time job effort of planning, coordination, PR, marketing, etc.  We're lucky to have high caliber quality conventions to begin with.  Many other fans of other shows/movies can only dream of such things.

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Report this Sep. 09 2007, 11:02 pm

I think I can explain some of the money problems:

Each actor is contracted to appear for a certain convention.  He/She is paid an appearance fee for their time (for how many days they are there).  Then they have an honorarium (lets say 3000) that they must make at their table.  If they do not make this then the producer is responsible for paying the difference.  

Now concerning autographs.  Let's say Shatner is doing autographs for that day.  He may require that 50 percent of the sales of autographs be paid to him.  So they are having to split their profits with Shatner.  This helps pay for Shatner's appearance fee (which is close to $75,000).

Just a tid bit.

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Report this Sep. 11 2007, 7:18 am

Quote (juise15 @ Sep. 09 2007, 11:02 pm)
I think I can explain some of the money problems:

Each actor is contracted to appear for a certain convention. ¿He/She is paid an appearance fee for their time (for how many days they are there). ¿Then they have an honorarium (lets say 3000) that they must make at their table. ¿If they do not make this then the producer is responsible for paying the difference. ¿

Now concerning autographs. ¿Let's say Shatner is doing autographs for that day. ¿He may require that 50 percent of the sales of autographs be paid to him. ¿So they are having to split their profits with Shatner. ¿This helps pay for Shatner's appearance fee (which is close to $75,000).

Just a tid bit.

I think Creation does theirs a little differently. From what I was told, the actors are paid a fee to appear, that includes their time on the stage and the time they spend signing, the photo ops, plus a stack of autographs that creation has them sign to sell later on. You can tell how much an actor has cost Creation according to their autograph price. Shatner's autograph ticket cost $70 at the last con I was at and i heard that his appearance fee was $70,000 (I could be wrong) but the more the autograph costs, the more they paid to have the person come out.

R002092

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Report this Sep. 11 2007, 9:21 am

on the OT...

Yea... its very difficult for a convention to sustain a "Trek" only event... guests are not as cheap as they once were... Creation is pretty much the only group I know of in the world who can do Trek only con... which from a business perspective I'm sure is great... but for the attendee there is simply no chice, and its very difficult for anyone to penetrate that individual segment of the market.

As someone rightly said though, the market has been saturated with certain guests, more and more guests are getting the convention bug all the time... and conventions are constantly broadening thier definition of thier convention. We're Star Trek... no wait... we're Sci-Fi... hang on... lets be Sci-Fi and Fantasy... ooooorrr... we could go pop culture? Tis the nature of the beast.

It's for this reason that when I go to a convention, I go to one that is entertaining. "Official" cons mean nothing to me... Paramounts stamp isn't worth a toot on a ragmans bugle...

Here's an example... I went to RingCon for the first time last year in Germany. It's a convention run by FedCon, and if you couldn't tell its a Lord of the Rings Convention. I had never seen LoTR (Yes I know...) or read the books... so I had little idea what the fuss was about... not really a genre I'm interested in. By the time I'd left, I still had no clue what it was about... but the con left me wanting more. I didn't even understand half of it, either because it was referring to the story, or because it was in German. I will be going back this year. I think this is a true testament to the organisers ability to put on a convention, to attract an audience which it isn't even necessarily targeting.

juise15

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Report this Sep. 11 2007, 10:22 am

Paramount doesnt license conventions any longer.  Seems that Creation is the only one who will have the official stamp of approval and thus support from Paramount.

Targallian

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Report this Sep. 11 2007, 10:29 am

Quote (SpaceGirl76 @ Sep. 02 2007, 9:20 pm)
?My biggest complaint is that ridiculous $7 "processing fee" for every ticket. ?Though they see it as a way of gaining money, I actually think they're losing money because of it. ?I probably would have purchased a bunch more photo ops had it not been for the fee, because $7 keeps adding up.

You know, I was not too knocked out by $7 fee either. I wanted to get a ton of autographs, and the only photo op I wanted was the one with Takei, Nichols & Keonig (to go with my 1991 photo with Doohan and my 2006 photo with Shatner & Nimoy). I bought the Shatner & Nimoy autograph tickets online because they were advertised as being more expensive at the convention. ($65+$7 fee vs. $75 at the con) I'm glad that I did because they were sold out when I got there.

I took a chance that the tickets for everything else would not be more expensive, and I'm glad that I did. Every ticket price (autograph & photo op) at the con was the same price as offered on the site minus the $7 charge. Granted, if something I wanted had been sold out, I would have been screwed, but I was lucky this time.

The $7 charge guarantees that the ticket you want will not be sold out before you can buy it and you don't have to stand in any lines to purchase it. But if I had paid the $7 charge for every ticket I bought, I would have been paying an extra $400-$500.

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Report this Sep. 11 2007, 1:14 pm

Quote (vgrbabe @ Sep. 11 2007, 7:18 am)
Quote (juise15 @ Sep. 09 2007, 11:02 pm)
I think I can explain some of the money problems:

Each actor is contracted to appear for a certain convention. ?He/She is paid an appearance fee for their time (for how many days they are there). ?Then they have an honorarium (lets say 3000) that they must make at their table. ?If they do not make this then the producer is responsible for paying the difference. ?

Now concerning autographs. ?Let's say Shatner is doing autographs for that day. ?He may require that 50 percent of the sales of autographs be paid to him. ?So they are having to split their profits with Shatner. ?This helps pay for Shatner's appearance fee (which is close to $75,000).

Just a tid bit.

I think Creation does theirs a little differently. From what I was told, the actors are paid a fee to appear, that includes their time on the stage and the time they spend signing, the photo ops, plus a stack of autographs that creation has them sign to sell later on. You can tell how much an actor has cost Creation according to their autograph price. Shatner's autograph ticket cost $70 at the last con I was at and i heard that his appearance fee was $70,000 (I could be wrong) but the more the autograph costs, the more they paid to have the person come out.

I'm glad you said that! I've wanted to go to a Ring Con, and they do not have any in the States....hmmm Germany sounds interesting... :D

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