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Aug. 19 2007, 10:28 am
You asked if the vulcans were coming.
WE'RE already here.
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Sep. 11 2007, 7:31 pm
Weather time dilation effects the traveller or his surroundings is relative... hence the name. ¿There is no "constant flow" of time, we can only measure movement in time relative to other things. ¿Breaking the speed of light WOULD make it appear to an observer that the object that did so was going back in time, but there's a big hurdle you would have to overcome first: reaching the speed of light. ¿The closer you get, the more the energy costs of the acceleration rise, until eventually you need an infinite amount of energy to reach the speed of light, at which point time would seem to stop completely for anything having achieved it. ¿A starship "travelling at the speed of light" isn't really moving at the speed of light, it's moving near the speed of light where the energy requirements are still managable but the time dilation effects are still in effect.
And Vulcan's won't be landing until they can be sure we'll be able to resist our inbuilt urges to tweak their ears.
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Sep. 12 2007, 12:55 pm
| Quote (CadetFinnegan @ Aug. 15 2007, 3:36 pm) | "We have broken speed of light"
By Nic Fleming, Science Correspondent, The Telegraph
A pair of German physicists claim to have broken the speed of light - an achievement that would undermine our entire understanding of space and time.
According to Einstein's special theory of relativity, it would require an infinite amount of energy to propel an object at more than 186,000 miles per second.
However, Dr Gunter Nimtz and Dr Alfons Stahlhofen, of the University of Koblenz, say they may have breached a key tenet of that theory.
advertisementThe pair say they have conducted an experiment in which microwave photons - energetic packets of light - travelled "instantaneously" between a pair of prisms that had been moved up to 3ft apart.
Being able to travel faster than the speed of light would lead to a wide variety of bizarre consequences.
For instance, an astronaut moving faster than it would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving.
The scientists were investigating a phenomenon called quantum tunnelling, which allows sub-atomic particles to break apparently unbreakable laws.
Dr Nimtz told New Scientist magazine: "For the time being, this is the only violation of special relativity that I know of."
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This is nothing new, this is basically Quantum tunneling, which is one of few ways that the speed of light in a vacuum can be broken. Basically the in quantum tunneling a particle like a photon can appear on the other side of a barrier in a instant, taking no time at all to travel distants equal to fractions of the wavelength of the Particle Quantum wave function. Generally the distants are small, the greater the distant the less likely a particle will tunnel. Photons have been clock up traveling at 300 X C, due to this effect, but this is not consider a true velocity and no information can be transfer faster than C.. So this article basically rehashing something that has been known since the birth of Quantum mechanics since Quantum tunneling is also invovled in radioactive decay.. |
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Sep. 12 2007, 9:42 pm
For more info Google "Transformational Relativity Theory" it explains many of the aspects involved in breaking the light speed barrier & explains how FTL travel is possible.
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Sep. 22 2007, 12:21 am
| Quote (OneofOneof1 @ Aug. 17 2007, 5:25 pm) | Fascinating
It will be interesting to see if anything becomes of this.
Or if conventional science will duke it out for the next 50 yrs.
I guess ole AE deserves at least some of that. |
Why the hostility to 'conventional' science? In fact, define 'conventional' and whatever the opposite is. |
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Sep. 26 2007, 1:12 am
ok now ? if you did broken the speed of light speed what are you going to do now?
do you have any space craft to test it on now?.
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lanceromega GROUP: Members POSTS: 3859 |
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Sep. 26 2007, 1:01 pm
| Quote (Jarriss @ Sep. 21 2007, 1:21 am) | | Quote (OneofOneof1 @ Aug. 17 2007, 5:25 pm) | Fascinating
It will be interesting to see if anything becomes of this.
Or if conventional science will duke it out for the next 50 yrs.
I guess ole AE deserves at least some of that. |
Why the hostility to 'conventional' science? In fact, define 'conventional' and whatever the opposite is. |
conventional science? Science is just science, there is a process. This breaking of the speed of light due to Quantum tunneling is nothing new, it has been around for awhile. The problem is what can be done by particle such as photons and electron is not something that object like you or I can do. Once a certain point is reach, object behave in a classical manner. We cannot tunnel, so this method of FTL is beyond us. Convential science has brought us more changes in the last 100 years than in all of human history, we went from riding horses to going to the moon in under a century. The major problem is non convential science like the latest craze in string theory has halted advancement in physics in the last 30 years. String theorists want other scientist to rethink their methods and standard of proof. At this point of human existant fTL is beyond our grasp, and will be until we can understand the basic nature of space and time on a quantum scale, String theory will not help in that respect, only a theory of quantum gravity and continue research in particle physics.. |
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Sep. 26 2007, 5:00 pm
It's quantum tunneling, not FTL speed.
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Jarriss GROUP: Members POSTS: 382 |
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Sep. 27 2007, 3:52 pm
That does it: Ban all reseach on this 'String Theory'. And more money to Fusion Research, we need the power source.
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Oct. 02 2007, 1:27 pm
I'm no expert but that seems like great news, but like someone mentioned... Do we have some way of propelling a space craft that fast?
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Oct. 02 2007, 3:16 pm
| Quote (Yanks @ Oct. 02 2007, 3:03 pm) | One step closer to "engage"  |
or *tuggs shirt down* "make it so" |
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Oct. 08 2007, 5:08 pm
| Quote (Tannagra @ Aug. 18 2007, 12:45 pm) | | As I said, when its been consistently verified, independently, and published in a good science publication i'll take it as fact, until then. |
Agreed. Assuming it is true, we should not draw conclusions until we know exactly what "quantum tunnelling " is. Just the word "quantum" makes me think of quantum geometry and mechanics. If there is an end-run around relativity, there may also be an end-run around relativistic time-dialation and legth contraction. We'll just have to see what comes of this. I do applaud this scientific endeavor. FTL space travel will not happen if we simply accept c as the speed limit in the universe... |
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Oct. 09 2007, 11:36 am
| Quote (STFSLMO @ Oct. 07 2007, 6:08 pm) | | Quote (Tannagra @ Aug. 18 2007, 12:45 pm) | | As I said, when its been consistently verified, independently, and published in a good science publication i'll take it as fact, until then. |
Agreed.
Assuming it is true, we should not draw conclusions until we know exactly what "quantum tunnelling " is. Just the word "quantum" makes me think of quantum geometry and mechanics. If there is an end-run around relativity, there may also be an end-run around relativistic time-dialation and legth contraction.
We'll just have to see what comes of this.
I do applaud this scientific endeavor. FTL space travel will not happen if we simply accept c as the speed limit in the universe... |
Quantum tunneling is an end run relativity, basically the particle does not travel the distant, there is no velocity invovle. It similar to using wormhole to bypass large area of space, the only problem is that the distant travel by quantum tunneling is limited, basically it depend on the wave length of particle invovle, wavelength of Microwave would allow it to tunnel meters. Problem is the wavelength of a human is so tiny that it would be less that the radius of a hydrogen atom.. The larger the object the smaller is it Quantum Wavelength.. Also the Quantum tunneling involves chance, a collection of photons in a laser can be consider a single particle ( due to their spin) but human and space craft would need all particles to tunnel at the same time, this just doesnot happen. So some particles will tunnel and other won't. Which could be painful..  |
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Oct. 09 2007, 6:44 pm
| Quote (Jarriss @ Sep. 21 2007, 9:21 pm) | | Quote (OneofOneof1 @ Aug. 17 2007, 5:25 pm) | Fascinating
It will be interesting to see if anything becomes of this.
Or if conventional science will duke it out for the next 50 yrs.
I guess ole AE deserves at least some of that. |
Why the hostility to 'conventional' science? In fact, define 'conventional' and whatever the opposite is. |
No hostility intended. Just stating my perspective. "Conventional"- Business as usual. The Norm. |
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Oct. 13 2007, 1:29 pm
| Quote (Star_Fleet_Command375 @ Sep. 12 2007, 9:42 pm) | | For more info Google "Transformational Relativity Theory" it explains many of the aspects involved in breaking the light speed barrier & explains how FTL travel is possible. |
It didn't work for me. Nor on yahoo. Do you have a specific link? |
