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GERMAN PHYSICISTS: 'We have broken speed of light'

CadetFinnegan

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Report this Aug. 16 2007, 2:36 pm

"We have broken speed of light"
By Nic Fleming, Science Correspondent, The Telegraph

A pair of German physicists claim to have broken the speed of light - an achievement that would undermine our entire understanding of space and time.

According to Einstein's special theory of relativity, it would require an infinite amount of energy to propel an object at more than 186,000 miles per second.

However, Dr Gunter Nimtz and Dr Alfons Stahlhofen, of the University of Koblenz, say they may have breached a key tenet of that theory.

advertisementThe pair say they have conducted an experiment in which microwave photons - energetic packets of light - travelled "instantaneously" between a pair of prisms that had been moved up to 3ft apart.

Being able to travel faster than the speed of light would lead to a wide variety of bizarre consequences.

For instance, an astronaut moving faster than it would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving.

The scientists were investigating a phenomenon called quantum tunnelling, which allows sub-atomic particles to break apparently unbreakable laws.

Dr Nimtz told New Scientist magazine: "For the time being, this is the only violation of special relativity that I know of."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth....116.xml

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Report this Aug. 16 2007, 3:04 pm

Cool. I like lawbreaking scientific discoveries. The tunneling thing made me think of wormholes.

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Report this Aug. 16 2007, 3:08 pm

Ok, thats great, but lets see it verified by other scientists who are able to get the exact same results until then its subjective at best.

Also an Astronaut travelling at the speed of light wouldn't arrive before he left, light isnt infinitely fast so ergo he wouldnt travel infinitely fast. It would take him 4years to travel to the nearest star, the thing is, as i understand it, he wouldnt age but everyone else here on Earth would age 4years.

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Report this Aug. 16 2007, 4:35 pm

Quote (Tannagra @ Aug. 16 2007, 3:08 pm)
Ok, thats great, but lets see it verified by other scientists who are able to get the exact same results until then its subjective at best.

Also an Astronaut travelling at the speed of light wouldn't arrive before he left, light isnt infinitely fast so ergo he wouldnt travel infinitely fast. It would take him 4years to travel to the nearest star, the thing is, as i understand it, he wouldnt age but everyone else here on Earth would age 4years.

If it was faster than the speed of light, as this study purports, then wouldn't we all become younger while the astronaut travels to that star system? Assuming relativity is still viable.

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Report this Aug. 16 2007, 4:38 pm

Now required : Relativistic shielding. :cool:

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Report this Aug. 16 2007, 9:43 pm

Quote (SlyCardie @ Aug. 16 2007, 4:35 pm)
Quote (Tannagra @ Aug. 16 2007, 3:08 pm)
Ok, thats great, but lets see it verified by other scientists who are able to get the exact same results until then its subjective at best.

Also an Astronaut travelling at the speed of light wouldn't arrive before he left, light isnt infinitely fast so ergo he wouldnt travel infinitely fast. It would take him 4years to travel to the nearest star, the thing is, as i understand it, he wouldnt age but everyone else here on Earth would age 4years.

If it was faster than the speed of light, as this study purports, then wouldn't we all become younger while the astronaut travels to that star system? Assuming relativity is still viable.

No. Relativity effects the person traveling, not the surroundings.

I have my doubts about this claim. We'll have to see what really developes.

Either the article leaves out specific details, or these guys aren't telling the whole story.
How, exactly, are they knowing if the travel time is instant if the two prisims are 3 feet apart?
If they could repeat this from Earth to the moon, then it would be more plausible.

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Report this Aug. 16 2007, 10:50 pm

To the Moon!

SlyCardie

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Report this Aug. 17 2007, 9:09 am

Quote (GrandLunar2007 @ Aug. 16 2007, 9:43 pm)
Quote (SlyCardie @ Aug. 16 2007, 4:35 pm)
Quote (Tannagra @ Aug. 16 2007, 3:08 pm)
Ok, thats great, but lets see it verified by other scientists who are able to get the exact same results until then its subjective at best.

Also an Astronaut travelling at the speed of light wouldn't arrive before he left, light isnt infinitely fast so ergo he wouldnt travel infinitely fast. It would take him 4years to travel to the nearest star, the thing is, as i understand it, he wouldnt age but everyone else here on Earth would age 4years.

If it was faster than the speed of light, as this study purports, then wouldn't we all become younger while the astronaut travels to that star system? Assuming relativity is still viable.

No. Relativity effects the person traveling, not the surroundings.

Yeah, so the traveller would go back in time, right?

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Report this Aug. 17 2007, 5:25 pm

Fascinating
It will be interesting to see if anything becomes of this.
Or if conventional science will duke it out for the next 50 yrs.
I guess ole AE deserves at least some of that.

GrandLunar2007

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Report this Aug. 17 2007, 7:39 pm

Someone at BAUT has given a view about what's going on in this experiment here.

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Report this Aug. 18 2007, 7:26 am

Quote (SlyCardie @ Aug. 17 2007, 9:09 am)
Quote (GrandLunar2007 @ Aug. 16 2007, 9:43 pm)
Quote (SlyCardie @ Aug. 16 2007, 4:35 pm)
Quote (Tannagra @ Aug. 16 2007, 3:08 pm)
Ok, thats great, but lets see it verified by other scientists who are able to get the exact same results until then its subjective at best.

Also an Astronaut travelling at the speed of light wouldn't arrive before he left, light isnt infinitely fast so ergo he wouldnt travel infinitely fast. It would take him 4years to travel to the nearest star, the thing is, as i understand it, he wouldnt age but everyone else here on Earth would age 4years.

If it was faster than the speed of light, as this study purports, then wouldn't we all become younger while the astronaut travels to that star system? Assuming relativity is still viable.

No. Relativity effects the person traveling, not the surroundings.

Yeah, so the traveller would go back in time, right?

NO.

It would slow their relative aging down, not make them younger.

Also as GL said, if they can recreate the experiment but over stellar distances ie. Earth to another Planet, say Mars or even the Moon then that would be something, but 3ft; thats neither here nor there.

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Report this Aug. 18 2007, 8:26 am

Baby steps....first make it work, then make it work better...then make it useable, then safe, then practical, then commonplace

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Report this Aug. 18 2007, 8:43 am

Quote (JupiterPrime @ Aug. 18 2007, 8:26 am)
Baby steps....first make it work, then make it work better...then make it useable, then safe, then practical, then commonplace

IF it is in fact true?

Remember cold fusion?

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Report this Aug. 18 2007, 12:42 pm

"IT'S A FAAAAKE"
     -Senator Vreenak

I read an article, cant find the link saying that it is very doubtful that the speed of light has been broken

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Report this Aug. 18 2007, 12:45 pm

As I said, when its been consistently verified, independently, and published in a good science publication i'll take it as fact, until then.

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