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Jarriss

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Report this Nov. 14 2007, 1:54 am

Yeah, but nukes can be made with a higher blast yield (hundreds of megatons, as opposed to a maximum theoretical of 64 mT).

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Report this Nov. 14 2007, 12:00 pm

Quote (Jarriss @ Nov. 13 2007, 2:54 am)
Yeah, but nukes can be made with a higher blast yield (hundreds of megatons, as opposed to a maximum theoretical of 64 mT).

the only advantage photon torpedoes would have vs H bombs is energy density..

Small amount of antimatter / matter would have same effect as large amounts of fusion/ fission material.

You could basically build a antimatter hand grenade that would have the same yield as largest h bomb.

Photon torpedoes would use the same method to inflict damage, basically by the emission of Gamma Rays ...

The fact is that present day nuclear weapons can also be used to create laser type weapons, during the Reagan's famous starwars projects, the lead scientist Edward Teller created the Atomic bomb pumped Xray laser, which used a A bomb created a volley of lased X rays.

Due to the treaty prohibiting the deployment of nuclear weapon in space, Teller's weapon was never deployed.. So this is another method where we could destroy Federation's starship..

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Report this Nov. 14 2007, 4:28 pm

The capacity of a nuclear device may be larger than that of a photon torpedo, but perhaps the intensity varies.  A 64 megoton yeild focused at the area size you would see on the hull of say the voyager episodes may effect their shields, where a 250 megaton device with its intensity spread over 3.4 km may have no effect on the shields.
  Also the EM charge probably would be obsorbed, the neurogel packs placement in compartmentalized functionality (also voyager) seems to say the em pulse would be dispersed into a riggid box compartment frame - should work.
  Nuclear armament may effect a single area of the shields with multiple attacks-but this strategy may be to weak to be used very effectivly

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Report this Nov. 14 2007, 4:41 pm

Quote (Parynthesis @ Nov. 13 2007, 5:28 pm)
The capacity of a nuclear device may be larger than that of a photon torpedo, but perhaps the intensity varies. ¿A 64 megoton yeild focused at the area size you would see on the hull of say the voyager episodes may effect their shields, where a 250 megaton device with its intensity spread over 3.4 km may have no effect on the shields.
¿ Also the EM charge probably would be obsorbed, the neurogel packs placement in compartmentalized functionality (also voyager) seems to say the em pulse would be dispersed into a riggid box compartment frame - should work.
¿ Nuclear armament may effect a single area of the shields with multiple attacks-but this strategy may be to weak to be used very effectivly

intensity of photon torpedo would be no different than an H bomb, both are spherical blast of gamma ray and assorted radiations..

In some cases an antimatter blast especially at close range would be less effective as a potions of the energy from the blast would form neutral pions that would past harmlessly thru matter..

There would be no EM burst directly from the blast, but EM burst would form when the Gamma rays interact with the hull of the craft..

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Report this Nov. 16 2007, 3:03 pm

I think explosive intensity does make a difference.  A fire cracker explodes through critical force created by the shell around the explosive force.  If you ignite the powder inside without the shell it simply fwuffs.  Similarily a nuclear device expells its force over a large area, a photon torpedo does not.

A nuclear em burst most likely won't have any effect on thier systems, aside from perhaps the enterprise from the enterprise episodes - their limits in hull plating technology I think attest to this.

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Report this Nov. 16 2007, 4:32 pm

Quote (Parynthesis @ Nov. 15 2007, 4:03 pm)
I think explosive intensity does make a difference. ¿A fire cracker explodes through critical force created by the shell around the explosive force. ¿If you ignite the powder inside without the shell it simply fwuffs. ¿Similarily a nuclear device expells its force over a large area, a photon torpedo does not.

A nuclear em burst most likely won't have any effect on thier systems, aside from perhaps the enterprise from the enterprise episodes - their limits in hull plating technology I think attest to this.

photon torpedoes do give off their energies in a spherical manner, that has been stated in several episodes where the enterprise could not use them due to this:

TNG Season 2, Ep# 42: "Q Who?"

"RIKER: Lock on photon torpedoes.

WORF: Yes, sir.

DATA: Without our shields -- at this range there is a high degree of probability that a photon detonation could destroy the Enterprise.  "

If they gave off their energy in a specific direction this would not be the case.

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Report this Nov. 22 2007, 8:25 pm

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I think explosive intensity does make a difference.  A fire cracker explodes through critical force created by the shell around the explosive force.  If you ignite the powder inside without the shell it simply fwuffs.  Similarily a nuclear device expells its force over a large area, a photon torpedo does not.

A nuclear em burst most likely won't have any effect on thier systems, aside from perhaps the enterprise from the enterprise episodes - their limits in hull plating technology I think attest to this.


You are correct. The main issue here everyone is missing the point on is that all nuclear weapons use the available oxygen to increase the detonation range of the blast. In space there is no oxygen. So the yield of the nuclear device in space would not be as powerful as it would be on Earth or in a oxygenated world. The only release of energy would be the inital collision of the atoms then the weapon would send it's casing and a wave of radiation in all directions until the forward momentum of the radiation slowed after becoming caught in a gravitational field where it would most likely stay for thousands of years.

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Report this Nov. 24 2007, 3:06 am

Quote (SLagonia @ Sep. 02 2007, 4:33 am)
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The Romulans used one to damage the Enterprise in Balance of Terror.

It blew up point blank range from the Enterprise and they didn't have much damage from it.

If Kirk and Spock didn't realize what it was and veer away, it may have destroyed them. ¿As it was, it did alot of damage.

It did? Like what?

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Report this Dec. 02 2007, 12:46 am

Knocked them off-kilter for starters, and if I recall right, blew out some curcuits.

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