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> id="QUOTE">Pretty good post, Solesius.
However, one thing I do not agree on:

;) Ofcourse science isnt a religion. Neither is buddism for example.

Science as we know it today came to be during the 16th/17th century. That is due to the fact that Gallileo was one of the first scientist ever to conduct experiments. Science during Plato and Socrates was nothing more then philosophical reasoning. Using logic to explain things. Even aristoteles (one of the persons to come closest to our modern day definition of a scientist. More then plato and socrates who were philosophers) didn't conduct experiments and thought true knowledge was aquired through logic reasoning.

Galileo altered that perception and made clear that knowledge came through experiments. Find the 'laws' of nature.

That was one of the biggest breakthroughs during that time. That and the rediscovery of ancient texts like that of Plato and socrates indeed.

Greetings,

Mael

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Report this Feb. 09 2008, 4:46 pm

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The only reason christianity is a dominant religion as we know it, is because its the only religion that has been forcefully been indoctrinated into mankind. For example if you look at India and entire eastern region. Almost no one in history has been killed or prossecuted for their religion. Either buddism, hindoe?sm, Tao?sm etc. ?Simply because they all believed that each religion was just a part of a far 'bigger truth'. Any form of religion/belief was accepted.


People from most every religion, including these ones, have battled each other over belief for millennia. There has been no 'entirely peaceful' religion in the history of Human kind.

I can't argue with most of your assertions, but the 'Christianity causes all the problems' stand point is very short sighted. All religions cause problems, Christianity just happens to be the most popular across the world right now. I am not a Christian by any means, but it irritates me to hear people blame it for the worlds ills when Human fallibility is the true cause.

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Report this Feb. 09 2008, 11:03 pm

so I'll try and bring it back to where this topic ID is about and add something from Darwin as I suggested I would from time-to-time...with respect to the "immutability of species...for thus only can the load of prejudice by which this subject is overwhelmed be removed..."

and futher, "the day will come when this will be given as a curious illustration of the blindness of preconceived opinion."

and lastly, "it must be admitted that these facts receive no explantion on the theory of creation."

Darwin "Origin of Species"

P.s., I have nothing but complete contempt for these religious writings...to think in that 2,800 years since Thales declared that things are known in and of themselves and are to be studied to understood and that there are no gods controlling things thus giving birth to science; that mortals are wasting their time over such matters is sad...

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Report this Feb. 09 2008, 11:37 pm

I just viewed the episode "For the world is hollow and I've touched the sky" and I recall the old gentleman who shares, "things are not what they teach us" and how so it is with the worlds religions...and still, such as this character are killed for having said so still in our time too...

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Report this Feb. 10 2008, 10:53 am

I always wonder what it is about divinity that holds people so...

And why, when science makes the unknown known, or at least explainable, religion still has this grasp on human kind.
Religion belongs in the dark ages, when fear of the unknown was explained by gods...

We know what the sun is. We know how it works, how it came to be, and how it will die.
When the world didn't know they called it a god to explain it. They didn't understand that the earth spins, or that it is tilted and has an elliptical orbit that gives us seasons.
So when it set in the evenings they prayed to their sun god so that it would rise again in the morning. And their prayers were answered!
In the winter they prayed for their sun god to return to them in the spring. And their prayers were answered! Obviously their sun god was listening... (sigh)
From such beginnings at the birth of mankind did religion rise...

So, we come to the present, and if a human from the past carrying a flint axe, living in a cave, and discovering the wonders of fire says it is so - well, then it must be so... Who are we to doubt the supreme intelligence of neolithic man? Yes, that was sarcasm...

Slightly off point... Is science the new religion as I've heard people say? Very bad use of words I feel. There is nothing religous about science, it is a tool to be used...

So what is religion for then? The way I see it is for those that need to believe in something more than what they have.
It is a way for those at the top of religous organizations to hold on to power, land, and money.
It is a way to belong to a group, to not be different from those around you.
It is a way to invade and kill for justification because you want land and power.
It is a way to not fear death.

And finally, they talk of a forgiving and merciful god. Really?
From what I have read from history and seen in the world today, your god likes nothing better than the screams of the tortured innocent, the death of the unbeliever, and the spilling of blood. That is what your god is about. Sacrifice in your god's name for your benefit...
Only today we do it with modern techniques and on an industrial scale. Why kill one for your god with a spear when you can kill a hundred with a bomb... More god points that way!

Sorry, but I neither believe in your god nor like what your god stands for...

Hopefully, one day, the rest of the world will wake up, and send your god back to the dawn of neolithic man where it belongs....

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Report this Feb. 10 2008, 4:21 pm

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Report this Feb. 10 2008, 4:29 pm

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The only reason christianity is a dominant religion as we know it, is because its the only religion that has been forcefully been indoctrinated into mankind. For example if you look at India and entire eastern region. Almost no one in history has been killed or prossecuted for their religion. Either buddism, hindoe?sm, Tao?sm etc. ?Simply because they all believed that each religion was just a part of a far 'bigger truth'. Any form of religion/belief was accepted.


People from most every religion, including these ones, have battled each other over belief for millennia. There has been no 'entirely peaceful' religion in the history of Human kind.

I can't argue with most of your assertions, but the 'Christianity causes all the problems' stand point is very short sighted. All religions cause problems, Christianity just happens to be the most popular across the world right now. I am not a Christian by any means, but it irritates me to hear people blame it for the worlds ills when Human fallibility is the true cause.

As I said almost no one with exceptions here and there has been prosecuted for their beliefs in asia. Thats a fact. In fact,  almost any current day problems in asian countries has to do with political structures (dictator ship for example) and nothing to do with religion whatsoever. Simply cause its not a issue. Unlike christian and islamic countries.

The amount of blood on the hands of christians and they scale of their suppresion of the population is BEYOND comparising to any other religion we know of in history though Islam seems to be doing a good job to try and catch up with them, but thats middle east.

The problem with christianity is that its filled with self righteous bullshit. Which tries to legitimize anything it does, say or beliefs. Regardless of reason, logic etc.

Having said all this, I am nog a big fan of Islam either. Or religion in general.

Greetings,

Mael


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