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Wrong galaxy, I am afraid!

axilmar1

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Report this Jun. 16 2007, 7:56 pm

Hmmm, Star Trek made a serious error: our galaxy is not the Milky Way, but Sagittarius:

http://curezone.com/blogs/m.asp?f=1207&i=2

http://abc.net.au/science/news/stories/2007/1942665.htm

Now that I think of it, no sci-fi writer has ever thought of that!

Hey, this discovery opens a whole new door for future Star Trek: new species discovered in the Sagittarius arm!

CadetFinnegan

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Report this Jun. 18 2007, 3:43 pm

Great example of a sciencific discovery rendering The Canon, alas, inaccurate. (I can't remember the episode but there was a VOY episode where Harry Kim states the age of the universe as 16 billion years [somewhere between 20 and 10 years when I was in school], only later to have real-world astronomers provide a narrower estimate of 13 billion years.)

Zantrix

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Report this Jun. 18 2007, 3:54 pm

Ahhh the thing with science fiction is that writers can come up with lal sort sof reaosns for this. Maybe in the future the Milky Way expanded maknig Earth now part of it!

And maybe our scientists were prooved wrong in the future and the galaxy was indeed 16 billion years old!

kenny6

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Report this Jun. 18 2007, 5:14 pm

how about that you just found out about the big error they have maid. back in the TOS episode they where in the wrong area of our galaxy, indeed they where off by 16 billion or more off. but no one know by how much.

M16A4

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Report this Jun. 18 2007, 6:16 pm

well space.com has an article on this too but they don't go as far to say we are from another galaxy. but the data tends to suggest that.

Invader_Wishfire

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Report this Jun. 19 2007, 5:18 am

Quote (axilmar1 @ June 16 2007, 4:56 pm)
Hmmm, Star Trek made a serious error: our galaxy is not the Milky Way, but Sagittarius:

http://curezone.com/blogs/m.asp?f=1207&i=2

http://abc.net.au/science/news/stories/2007/1942665.htm

Now that I think of it, no sci-fi writer has ever thought of that!

Hey, this discovery opens a whole new door for future Star Trek: new species discovered in the Sagittarius arm!

The first link is crap. It makes several assumptions, and then repeats them several times as if repetition bears truthfulness, which it does not. Additionally, the links it provided as references (which include the second link that you provided) do not state that our solar system is from a different galaxy. Indeed, they maintain that our solar system is from the Milky Way, as has always been believed.

This link (you first link's first reference as well as your second link) doesn't even mention any other galaxies in it.

This link (your first link's second reference) doesn't say anything about our solar system being from the Sagittarius dwarf galaxy. In fact, the only type of star it mentions as being from Sagittarius are M giants. (Our sun is not one of those, needless to say.)

This link (your first link's third and final reference) has nothing to do with any galaxy, but only changes our own solar system has been going through.

Provide us with some more legitimate, less laughable material, and I'll take it seriously.

Tannagra

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Report this Jun. 19 2007, 2:32 pm

Id like to see some concrete verification by leading Astronomers before i'll believe any of this. Im sure if there was evidence of Earth being from another Galaxy somebody may have just mentioned it.

:logical:

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Report this Jun. 19 2007, 3:11 pm

Quote (Tannagra @ June 19 2007, 7:32 pm)
Id like to see some concrete verification by leading Astronomers before i'll believe any of this. Im sure if there was evidence of Earth being from another Galaxy somebody may have just mentioned it.

:logical:

Yeah! if you look at the link it says that the solar system is being pulled in to alignment with the milky way anyhow! (so whats the point of the claim)
looks like some scientists just trying to grab the headlines    (if this is for real)
IF WE ARNT PART OF THE MILKY WAY THEN THE NEXT GALAXY IS A LONG WAY OFF
as for the different ages of the universe,  13-16 bil Yrs, is this because some are starting from the time of the big bang and others are starting from the formation of stars etc?
also a billion can be measured differently depending on where you are, eg in US $1b is only really $500 000 000.

Tannagra

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Report this Jun. 19 2007, 3:13 pm

Quote (captbates @ June 19 2007, 3:11 pm)
Quote (Tannagra @ June 19 2007, 7:32 pm)
Id like to see some concrete verification by leading Astronomers before i'll believe any of this. Im sure if there was evidence of Earth being from another Galaxy somebody may have just mentioned it.

:logical:

Yeah! if you look at the link it says that the solar system is being pulled in to alignment with the milky way anyhow! (so whats the point of the claim)
looks like some scientists just trying to grab the headlines ¿ ¿(if this is for real)
IF WE ARNT PART OF THE MILKY WAY THEN THE NEXT GALAXY IS A LONG WAY OFF
as for the different ages of the universe, ¿13-16 bil Yrs, is this because some are starting from the time of the big bang and others are starting from the formation of stars etc?
also a billion can be measured differently depending on where you are, eg in US $1b is only really $500 000 000.

Sagan said in Cosmos, and i have no reason to doubt him, that the Sun has been through the central core of the Milky Way many times in its life so far.

captbates

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Report this Jun. 19 2007, 3:19 pm

Quote (Tannagra @ June 19 2007, 8:13 pm)
Quote (captbates @ June 19 2007, 3:11 pm)
Quote (Tannagra @ June 19 2007, 7:32 pm)
Id like to see some concrete verification by leading Astronomers before i'll believe any of this. Im sure if there was evidence of Earth being from another Galaxy somebody may have just mentioned it.

:logical:

Yeah! if you look at the link it says that the solar system is being pulled in to alignment with the milky way anyhow! (so whats the point of the claim)
looks like some scientists just trying to grab the headlines ? ?(if this is for real)
IF WE ARNT PART OF THE MILKY WAY THEN THE NEXT GALAXY IS A LONG WAY OFF
as for the different ages of the universe, ?13-16 bil Yrs, is this because some are starting from the time of the big bang and others are starting from the formation of stars etc?
also a billion can be measured differently depending on where you are, eg in US $1b is only really $500 000 000.

Sagan said in Cosmos, and i have no reason to doubt him, that the Sun has been through the central core of the Milky Way many times in its life so far.

Ive always heard this to be the case, and have never heard of this new theory, again looks like pure headline grabbing nonsense :grr:

Invader_Wishfire

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Report this Jun. 19 2007, 4:10 pm

Quote (Tannagra @ June 19 2007, 12:13 pm)
Sagan said in Cosmos, and i have no reason to doubt him, that the Sun has been through the central core of the Milky Way many times in its life so far.

I've never heard that. It was always my understanding that the sun was at a relatively fixed position between the core and the outer rim.

Tannagra

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Report this Jun. 19 2007, 4:12 pm

Quote (Kraven_de_Sade @ June 19 2007, 4:10 pm)
Quote (Tannagra @ June 19 2007, 12:13 pm)
Sagan said in Cosmos, and i have no reason to doubt him, that the Sun has been through the central core of the Milky Way many times in its life so far.

I've never heard that. It was always my understanding that the sun was at a relatively fixed position between the core and the outer rim.

Apparently it goes around the MilkyWay every few 100million years or so, and constantly, in a geological timescale, enters and leaves the Galactic Centre, were now between two spiral arms.

Invader_Wishfire

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Report this Jun. 19 2007, 4:14 pm

Quote (Tannagra @ June 19 2007, 1:12 pm)
Quote (Kraven_de_Sade @ June 19 2007, 4:10 pm)
Quote (Tannagra @ June 19 2007, 12:13 pm)
Sagan said in Cosmos, and i have no reason to doubt him, that the Sun has been through the central core of the Milky Way many times in its life so far.

I've never heard that. It was always my understanding that the sun was at a relatively fixed position between the core and the outer rim.

Apparently it goes around the MilkyWay every few 100million years or so, and constantly, in a geological timescale, enters and leaves the Galactic Centre, were now between two spiral arms.

What happened to the supposed black hole in the center? Wouldn't it kinda prevent the sun from being able to leave the core?

Tannagra

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Report this Jun. 19 2007, 4:17 pm

Quote (Kraven_de_Sade @ June 19 2007, 4:14 pm)
Quote (Tannagra @ June 19 2007, 1:12 pm)
Quote (Kraven_de_Sade @ June 19 2007, 4:10 pm)
Quote (Tannagra @ June 19 2007, 12:13 pm)
Sagan said in Cosmos, and i have no reason to doubt him, that the Sun has been through the central core of the Milky Way many times in its life so far.

I've never heard that. It was always my understanding that the sun was at a relatively fixed position between the core and the outer rim.

Apparently it goes around the MilkyWay every few 100million years or so, and constantly, in a geological timescale, enters and leaves the Galactic Centre, were now between two spiral arms.

What happened to the supposed black hole in the center? Wouldn't it kinda prevent the sun from being able to leave the core?

Well we only 'flirted' with the Galactic Core, sort of brushing its outer edge.

Regarding the Black Hole, i recently saw a programme which postulated that the entire Milkyway, just like other Galaxies, is just an accretion disk of the Black Hole at its center. The orbital velocity of its stars stop them being pulled in supposedly.

displacedvulcan

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Report this Jun. 19 2007, 8:32 pm

What program is that exactly.

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