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the question is what kind of cad program wood you like to use, if you built the star ship on your computer?, this is not hard. OK NOW this is not real hard for you all, in this book i got of SHIP of the STAR FLEET volume one, on the page of constitution class heavy cruisers of this ship of the enterprise size of the size

THE displacement : 181,000 metric tons standard (177,00mt light, 185,000mt full load)

overall Lenght 285.9M primary hull 126.8M, nacelles 153.8M

overall of the beam 125.6M, primary hull 125.6M, nacell 19.2M

THE over all draft 71.5M, primary draft 32.8M, nacelles draft 18.8M

the question is for all of you, can this star ship be on a square 1 mile of land with the size i have down here?. don't you think a person can put it on the land of this size?. by useing the cad software we use on our computers now.

Quote (kenny6 @ May 20 2007, 9:46 pm)

the question is what kind of cad program wood you like to use, if you built the star ship on your computer?, this is not hard. OK NOW this is not real hard for you all, in this book i got of SHIP of the STAR FLEET volume one, on the page of constitution class heavy cruisers of this ship of the enterprise size of the size.

Kenny, there are many CAD programs, that cost about $600 to $10,000+ dollars. ?I Know, that you know, that the Enterprise is a make believe ship, right, and the dimensions and weight is also make believe. ?Star Fleet Volume One, is a good Star Trek book, and presents many good pictures of the science fiction Star Ship Enterprise. ?Could such a ship someday be built, maybe, but for now it remains in the realm of science fiction.

If you like to dream and create, working on a 3D cad of the Enterprise would be a fun and challanging project, even for a trained engineer and CAD operator. Such a project would take many hundreds of hours of work. But if you want to do it, and have a computer and money for a CAD program, then go ahead and do it. But it will not be easy Kenny, and will take a lot of time and effort and money.

Quote (kenny6 @ May 20 2007, 9:46 pm)

1) overall Lenght 285.9M primary hull 126.8M, nacelles 153.8M. 2) overall of the beam 125.6M, primary hull 125.6M, nacell 19.2M 3) THE over all draft 71.5M, primary draft 32.8M, nacelles draft 18.8M. 4) THE displacement : 181,000 metric tons standard (177,00mt light, 185,000mt full load).

Remember Kenny, these are not dimensions of a real ship or real facts (weights). Even if a full scale mockup of the Enterprise was built to these dimensions, the mass weight would not be this for real. The real Metric Tons would depend on the materials you used in the construction of the Mock Up.

Quote (kenny6 @ May 20 2007, 9:46 pm)

the question is for all of you, can this star ship be on a square 1 mile of land with the size i have down here?. don't you think a person can put it on the land of this size?. by useing the cad software we use on our computers now.

Conversion Calculator:
http://www.metric-conversions.org/cgi-bin/util/convert.cgi

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1 mile Kenny is 5280 feet, so in princable it would be possible to put such a Mock Up Enterprise on a 1 square mile area, with lots of space left over.

5280 feet times 5280 feet is 27878400 Square Feet
This is 640 Acres Acres of land Kenny.
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So Kenny, The basic area for your Mock Up of the Enterprise would be:

(285.9 Meters) 937.992 Feet Length
-by-
(125.6 Meters) 412.073 Feet Wide
-by-
(71.5 Meters) 234.580 Feet High

At 937.992 Feet times 412.073 feet is 386521.177 Square Feet.
This is 8.87 Acres of land Kenny.

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Just as a comparison Kenny,

The Ocean Linner RMS Queen Mary 2
Cost to build the ship: $800 million

Length 1132 feet (345 metres)
Width 147 feet 6 inches (45 metres) ?
Height 236 feet 2 inches (72 metres)
Passengers 2,620 (3,090 max)

At 1132 feet times 142.5 feet is 161310 Square Feet
This is 3.70 Acres of land Kenny
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A land locked mock up of the Enterprise would not have to
meet the massive safety and seaworthy requirments of the
QM2, and would have much less steal in the construction.

Also a mock up would not have real engines that the QM2
has, or the rescue boats and gear.

Such a mockup of the Enterprise would be about 200 million.
That is a guess!

When I worked on the Enterprise Theme Park Hotel /
Conference Center in 1986/1987 the estimated cost was
about 150 Million to 200 Million, but was not truly FULL SIZED
mock up. It was about 60% of the real thing (ie: the Science
Fiction Dimensions), and also included the support building to
house the mock up. Todays costs would be greater by a few
million, but still I think would be around 250 million, give or
take.

Your idea to make a mock up of the Enterprise is a good idea
Kenny, but it has to be more than just a mock up in an open
field. How are you going to enclose it to protect from
weather? How are you going to make it encompass a wide
range of things, ammenities, and atractions to justify the
construction of such a mock up?

Your idea could be done Kenny, but the dream and idea needs
to be more refined and polished.

It took me 5 years of very hard work and many people to help
me, to design and perfect my idea of a Star Trek Theme Park
and Hotel Conference Center.

Star Trek Theme Park/Hotel/Conference Center Side View:
http://www.isa-hq.com/startrek_theme_park/startrek_theme_park_side.jpg

Star Trek Theme Park/Hotel/Conference Center Front View:
http://www.isa-hq.com/startre....ont.jpg

Star Trek Theme Park/Hotel/Conference Center Back View:
http://www.isa-hq.com/startrek_theme_park/startrek_theme_park_back.jpg

If you work on CAD Kenny, this will also take a lot of time and money.

But, if this is your dream and vision, keep working on it!

People laughed at the pet rock, but the inventor of the pet
rock idea made many millions on this.

People laughed at the Wright Brothers, Einstein, and Howard
Hughes, but these people all made great contributions to
society and history.

Like I said Kenny, never stop dreaming and never stop trying.

Thats the best anyone can do in this world!

Hope this information has been helpful?

THE SPRUCE GOOSE WILL NEVER FLY!  

the spruce goose did fly, it was made out of wood.
i know if this ship was to be built it to could fly to.

thank you ISA , will be mailing you a letter to you, with a sample of the things i am work on.

Quote (kenny6 @ May 21 2007, 2:17 am)

the spruce goose did fly, it was made out of wood. i know if this ship was to be built it to could fly to. thank you ISA , will be mailing you a letter to you, with a sample of the things i am work on.

Kenny, I know the Spuce Goose did fly.  This is just a rib at those nay-sayers that always say this wont work and that wont work, and lack all vision.  It was just a joke Kenny, and is why it was in bold.

And yes it was made out of wood, spruce in fact, and is why it was called the Spruce Goose.

I will look forward to your mail.

Exactly what will be accomplished by building a replica of the Enterprise? I don't se a ship with that mass or design flying any time soon. The Enterprise should not be made untill we have sufficient technology to put it to use, and when we do it may very well prove an inefficient design.

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Exactly what will be accomplished by building a replica of the Enterprise? I don't se a ship with that mass or design flying any time soon. The Enterprise should not be made untill we have sufficient technology to put it to use, and when we do it may very well prove an inefficient design.

Trolls like you, never read the threads, just come in and start spounting ignorance!

If you read the thread, you would know that people were talking about a Mock Up, and not something meant to FLY!?  Sigh........

And no one was talking about building a real star ship!

The Enterprise is a make believe ship that is just a science fiction idea!

A real Star Ship may be built SOMEDAY in the future, but will likely look nothing like the make believe Enterprise of the Science Fiction Star Trek!

Before you come yapping and yelling in someones thread, read the %$# things be fore you open your mouth with ignorant nonsence!

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Quote (PrimalNarcisissm @ May 21 2007, 3:18 pm) Exactly what will be accomplished by building a replica of the Enterprise? I don't se a ship with that mass or design flying any time soon. The Enterprise should not be made untill we have sufficient technology to put it to use, and when we do it may very well prove an inefficient design. Trolls like you, never read the threads, just come in and start spounting ignorance! If you read the thread, you would know that people were talking about a Mock Up, and not something meant to FLY!? ¿Sigh........ And no one was talking about building a real star ship! The Enterprise is a make believe ship that is just a science fiction idea! A real Star Ship may be built SOMEDAY in the future, but will likely look nothing like the make believe Enterprise of the Science Fiction Star Trek! Before you come yapping and yelling in someones thread, read the %$# things be fore you open your mouth with ignorant nonsence!

I apologize. I mixed this thread up with the other thread where the author wanted to make a copy of the Enterprise . I might have missinterpreted due to the poor grammar and spelling but i recall him writing he wanted to build "the real deal" and not a mock-up. But you were right this was the wrong thread and my post had nothing to do with cad. For that i am sorry.

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Quote (international_space_agency @ May 21 2007, 3:45 pm) Quote (PrimalNarcisissm @ May 21 2007, 3:18 pm) Exactly what will be accomplished by building a replica of the Enterprise? I don't se a ship with that mass or design flying any time soon. The Enterprise should not be made untill we have sufficient technology to put it to use, and when we do it may very well prove an inefficient design. Trolls like you, never read the threads, just come in and start spounting ignorance! If you read the thread, you would know that people were talking about a Mock Up, and not something meant to FLY!? ?Sigh........ And no one was talking about building a real star ship! The Enterprise is a make believe ship that is just a science fiction idea! A real Star Ship may be built SOMEDAY in the future, but will likely look nothing like the make believe Enterprise of the Science Fiction Star Trek! Before you come yapping and yelling in someones thread, read the %$# things be fore you open your mouth with ignorant nonsence! I apologize. I mixed this thread up with the other thread where the author wanted to make a copy of the Enterprise . I might have missinterpreted due to the poor grammar and spelling but i recall him writing he wanted to build "the real deal" and not a mock-up. But you were right this was the wrong thread and my post had nothing to do with cad. For that i am sorry.

With a username like PrimalNarcisissm, I highly doubt your apology is genuine!

Likely, you are aware that the Admins and Mods are lurking about in this topic at present, because of your colleagues SPAM post (if indeed that was not you anyway) here!

With only 2 posts and a user name like PrimalNarcisissm it is clear to me you are a Troll and Cyberstalker, and need to have your account blocked!

But I am just a lowly Star Trek . Com user, and have no power to do so!  One would only hope that your Troll and Cyberstalker account here would be blocked, to save people here from your true intentions!

Sigh................

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Quote (PrimalNarcisissm @ May 21 2007, 4:06 pm) Quote (international_space_agency @ May 21 2007, 3:45 pm) Quote (PrimalNarcisissm @ May 21 2007, 3:18 pm) Exactly what will be accomplished by building a replica of the Enterprise? I don't se a ship with that mass or design flying any time soon. The Enterprise should not be made untill we have sufficient technology to put it to use, and when we do it may very well prove an inefficient design. Trolls like you, never read the threads, just come in and start spounting ignorance! If you read the thread, you would know that people were talking about a Mock Up, and not something meant to FLY!? ?Sigh........ And no one was talking about building a real star ship! The Enterprise is a make believe ship that is just a science fiction idea! A real Star Ship may be built SOMEDAY in the future, but will likely look nothing like the make believe Enterprise of the Science Fiction Star Trek! Before you come yapping and yelling in someones thread, read the %$# things be fore you open your mouth with ignorant nonsence! I apologize. I mixed this thread up with the other thread where the author wanted to make a copy of the Enterprise . I might have missinterpreted due to the poor grammar and spelling but i recall him writing he wanted to build "the real deal" and not a mock-up. But you were right this was the wrong thread and my post had nothing to do with cad. For that i am sorry. With a username like PrimalNarcisissm, I highly doubt your apology is genuine! Likely, you are aware that the Admins and Mods are lurking about in this topic at present, because of your colleagues SPAM post (if indeed that was not you anyway) here! With only 2 posts and a user name like PrimalNarcisissm it is clear to me you are a Troll and Cyberstalker, and need to have your account blocked! But I am just a lowly Star Trek . Com user, and have no power to do so! ¿One would only hope that your Troll and Cyberstalker account here would be blocked, to save people here from your true intentions! Sigh................

You are certainly not a friendly character. Your accusations are unfounded and i see no reason to why admins or anyone else would consider me a troll nor ban my account. I made a mistake and i apologized even though i didn't fin the content of my missplaced post to be hostile nor offensive. But if you are so bothered by my apology you can hereby consider it rejected.

This is the explanation of my nickname:
"The Freudian theory of Narcissism

Primary narcissism
In his essay, 'On Narcissism: An Introduction', Freud suggested that exclusive self-love might not be as abnormal as previously thought, and might even be a common component in the human psyche. He argued that narcissism "is the libidinal compliment to the egoism of the instinct of self-preservation", or, more simply, the desire and energy that drives our instinct to survive. He called this: Primary Narcissism."

I will no further participate in this argument because it is a waste of time and forum space.

Quote (PrimalNarcisissm @ May 21 2007, 5:13 pm)

You are certainly not a friendly character. Your accusations are unfounded and i see no reason to why admins or anyone else would consider me a troll nor ban my account. I made a mistake and i apologized even though i didn't fin the content of my missplaced post to be hostile nor offensive. But if you are so bothered by my apology you can hereby consider it rejected. This is the explanation of my nickname: "The Freudian theory of Narcissism Primary narcissism In his essay, 'On Narcissism: An Introduction', Freud suggested that exclusive self-love might not be as abnormal as previously thought, and might even be a common component in the human psyche. He argued that narcissism "is the libidinal compliment to the egoism of the instinct of self-preservation", or, more simply, the desire and energy that drives our instinct to survive. He called this: Primary Narcissism." I will no further participate in this argument because it is a waste of time and forum space.

I am a friendly character to people who are genuine!

Your reply even reinforces my suspicion!

Like I said, I am just a user, and not a mod or admin, so my opinion is just that, my opinion.

Apology or not, a weird username, and an attack post on post # 2 is not a good sign that a such a person has good intentions!

So it is good that you are going to go to another thread.

i think the persons who don't like my idea, they should not even try to post any answers. they are just not helping us they are just putting us down to try start this. i just don't like them of this. i DO LIKE ISA  for his idea to. we all need to here from them who has the same to. let's talk.

Quote (kenny6 @ May 22 2007, 2:25 am)

i think the persons who don't like my idea, they should not even try to post any answers. they are just not helping us they are just putting us down to try start this. i just don't like them of this. i DO LIKE ISA ¿for his idea to. we all need to here from them who has the same to. let's talk.

I assure you kenny6 i was not trying to put you down. I simply wondered how you were going to utilize a ship that big and what purpose it would serve. You seem to be the opposite of what you call your fellow trekkies, your too much action too little talk. Ignoring the obstacles will not make them disappear so perhaps you could benefit an equal amount from listening to criticism as you do from listening to the undisputed master of all knowledge in the universe, ISA. Consider the criticism pointers instead of an assault on your personal integrety and you just might learn something by it.

Quote (kenny6 @ May 22 2007, 2:25 am)

i think the persons who don't like my idea, they should not even try to post any answers. they are just not helping us they are just putting us down to try start this. i just don't like them of this. i DO LIKE ISA ¿for his idea to. we all need to here from them who has the same to. let's talk.

Thanks for the vote of support for the International Space Agency (ISA) Organization and Endeavors.  ISA needs all the support and understanding it can get.

Like I said Kenny, never stop Dreaming!

Ad-Astra!  To The Stars!
In Peace For All Mankind!

International Space Agency, I.S.A.
International Space Administration
https://www.international-space-agency.org

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Quote (kenny6 @ May 22 2007, 2:25 am) i think the persons who don't like my idea, they should not even try to post any answers. they are just not helping us they are just putting us down to try start this. i just don't like them of this. i DO LIKE ISA ?for his idea to. we all need to here from them who has the same to. let's talk. I assure you kenny6 i was not trying to put you down. I simply wondered how you were going to utilize a ship that big and what purpose it would serve. You seem to be the opposite of what you call your fellow trekkies, your too much action too little talk. Ignoring the obstacles will not make them disappear so perhaps you could benefit an equal amount from listening to criticism as you do from listening to the undisputed master of all knowledge in the universe, ISA. Consider the criticism pointers instead of an assault on your personal integrety and you just might learn something by it.

Sigh................

Troll go away! Your games of playing good cop bad cop are old and boring!

1) So, what are your dreams and visions, and what are YOU working on at present of merit or importance??

2) What corporation or organization have you created?

3) What invention or new idea are you working on?

4) What Trademarks, Copyrights, or Patients have you gotten?

5) What are you presently doing with your life to "Serve Others" and to benefit your community and society?

Trolls do not answer these questions do they?

Takes to much time and real effort, hmmm!

You are all about serving yourself!

You are only here to attack others and to cause trouble!

You have a clear motive and agenda, and its clear this does NOT include "Serving Others" or presenting "YOUR" Ideas, Dreams, or Vision. Like most Trolls and Cyberstalkers, you only attack others as this is easy and keeps peoples attention off YOU! If you were to share YOUR own ideas (which is clear you have none!, this would put the attention on YOU, and you would have to defend yourself from attack! But cowards will not do this, as it is more fun and self serving to attack others ideas, dreams, and vision!

Sigh.............

Sad that Trolls and Cyberstalkers like you, are allowed here!

So, please answer my 5 questions above!

Quote (international_space_agency @ May 22 2007, 8:48 pm)

Quote (PrimalNarcisissm @ May 22 2007, 6:49 am) Quote (kenny6 @ May 22 2007, 2:25 am) i think the persons who don't like my idea, they should not even try to post any answers. they are just not helping us they are just putting us down to try start this. i just don't like them of this. i DO LIKE ISA ?for his idea to. we all need to here from them who has the same to. let's talk. I assure you kenny6 i was not trying to put you down. I simply wondered how you were going to utilize a ship that big and what purpose it would serve. You seem to be the opposite of what you call your fellow trekkies, your too much action too little talk. Ignoring the obstacles will not make them disappear so perhaps you could benefit an equal amount from listening to criticism as you do from listening to the undisputed master of all knowledge in the universe, ISA. Consider the criticism pointers instead of an assault on your personal integrety and you just might learn something by it. Sigh................ Troll go away! Your games of playing good cop bad cop are old and boring! 1) So, what are your dreams and visions, and what are YOU working on at present of merit or importance?? 2) What corporation or organization have you created? 3) What invention or new idea are you working on? 4) What Trademarks, Copyrights, or Patients have you gotten? THE STUIDO HAS NONE NO ON THE COPYRIGHT ON THE SHIP AT ALL. 5) What are you presently doing with your life to "Serve Others" and to benefit your community and society? Trolls do not answer these questions do they? Takes to much time and real effort, hmmm! You are all about serving yourself! You are only here to attack others and to cause trouble! You have a clear motive and agenda, and its clear this does NOT include "Serving Others" or presenting "YOUR" Ideas, Dreams, or Vision. Like most Trolls and Cyberstalkers, you only attack others as this is easy and keeps peoples attention off YOU! If you were to share YOUR own ideas (which is clear you have none!, this would put the attention on YOU, and you would have to defend yourself from attack! But cowards will not do this, as it is more fun and self serving to attack others ideas, dreams, and vision! Sigh............. Sad that Trolls and Cyberstalkers like you, are allowed here! So, please answer my 5 questions above!

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