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'Star Trek'-like deflector shields R&D

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Report this May. 22 2007, 5:33 pm

Quote (lanceromega @ May 22 2007, 4:50 pm)
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Sigh............. ¿Fiff Fluff again! ¿If a bullet hits an object, it penetraits because all the force/mass/momentium is focused on a small area. ¿If the bullet enters a strongmagnetic field that is fixed/connected to the taget object (ship), the entire mass/weight of the target is brought to bear on the bullet. ¿The ship is tons of mass and the bullet is ounces of mass (not counting any (motion/movement)/momentium/kenetic energy imparted to either object. ¿The Kenetic Energy of the Bullet would have to be vastly greater than the Mass & Kenetic Energy of the Ship to cause the ships mass to be moved in any significant manner. ¿In this way the mass/kenetic energy of the Bullet is distributed over the entire mass of the Ship, an thus is NOT focused on a single small focused point, and therefore would not penetrait and would either be slowed and stopped or deflected into an alternate path (as when the bull fighter uses his hand to push the bull, and thus deflecting the bulls path past him).

Photon - particle composing light and other forms of electromagnetic radiation , sometimes called light quantum. The photon has no charge and no mass. About the beginning of the 20th cent., the classical theory that light is emitted and absorbed by matter in a continuous stream came under criticism because it led to incorrect predictions about several effects, notably the radiation of light by incandescent bodies (see black body ) and the photoelectric effect . These effects can be explained only by assuming that the energy is transferred in discrete packets, or photons, the energy of each photon being equal to the frequency of the light multiplied by Planck's constant, h. Because the value of Planck's constant is extremely small (6.62 ? 10 -27 erg sec.), the discrete nature of light energy is not evident in most optical phenomena. The light imparts energy and momentum to a charged particle when one of the photons collides with it, as is demonstrated by the Compton effect . See quantum theory.


Fluff!... :) I'll tried not to confuse you with the facts ¿:laugh:
The compton effect is photons interacting with charge particles such as electron, not virtual photons as found in magnetic fields, another attempt to insert a Red herring into the debate.

Photons to Photons reaction are rare and are cause when an one photon turn into a pair of charge particle ( this is due to quantum fluctation, the particle will come back together in microsecond to reform the photons) but such interact is so rare it is only seen when intensity or energies off the photons are at level that cannot be produce in any lab at this time.

Even the magnetic fields of Pulsars are not strong enought and only the photon product by Blastar ( Hi energy quasar) have been observed interacting with photons from the big bang...

As for the bullet, a bullet needs not penetrate an object to cause damage. Any one shot while wearing a bullet proof can tell you about the bruises, broken bones and even death can occur due to impact.

A bullet entering a magnetic field, act on the magnet not the ship, the magnet would need to be braced, also the bullet entering the field creates eddy currents, that can inturn demagnetize the magnetic, in electro magnetic it creates a back currents that will heat the wiring and can short out the system.

The threat of this happening has cause NASA to design massive energy sinks in their own magnetic protection projects
to soak up the electrical current when their own magnetic field using superconductor collasp.

A Mere Hi energy proton is enought to cause such a collasp, as well as a speck of iron meteor.

The newest hope is to use Plasma bubbles instead, but they would not be able to stop any kind of micrometeor.


;) ¿;

I'm Done!

I am sure someelse will love to debate with you?

:eyesroll:

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Report this May. 22 2007, 8:49 pm

Quote (international_space_agency @ May 21 2007, 6:33 pm)
Quote (lanceromega @ May 22 2007, 4:50 pm)
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Sigh............. ?Fiff Fluff again! ?If a bullet hits an object, it penetraits because all the force/mass/momentium is focused on a small area. ?If the bullet enters a strongmagnetic field that is fixed/connected to the taget object (ship), the entire mass/weight of the target is brought to bear on the bullet. ?The ship is tons of mass and the bullet is ounces of mass (not counting any (motion/movement)/momentium/kenetic energy imparted to either object. ?The Kenetic Energy of the Bullet would have to be vastly greater than the Mass & Kenetic Energy of the Ship to cause the ships mass to be moved in any significant manner. ?In this way the mass/kenetic energy of the Bullet is distributed over the entire mass of the Ship, an thus is NOT focused on a single small focused point, and therefore would not penetrait and would either be slowed and stopped or deflected into an alternate path (as when the bull fighter uses his hand to push the bull, and thus deflecting the bulls path past him).

Photon - particle composing light and other forms of electromagnetic radiation , sometimes called light quantum. The photon has no charge and no mass. About the beginning of the 20th cent., the classical theory that light is emitted and absorbed by matter in a continuous stream came under criticism because it led to incorrect predictions about several effects, notably the radiation of light by incandescent bodies (see black body ) and the photoelectric effect . These effects can be explained only by assuming that the energy is transferred in discrete packets, or photons, the energy of each photon being equal to the frequency of the light multiplied by Planck's constant, h. Because the value of Planck's constant is extremely small (6.62 ? 10 -27 erg sec.), the discrete nature of light energy is not evident in most optical phenomena. The light imparts energy and momentum to a charged particle when one of the photons collides with it, as is demonstrated by the Compton effect . See quantum theory.


Fluff!... :) I'll tried not to confuse you with the facts ?:laugh:
The compton effect is photons interacting with charge particles such as electron, not virtual photons as found in magnetic fields, another attempt to insert a Red herring into the debate.

Photons to Photons reaction are rare and are cause when an one photon turn into a pair of charge particle ( this is due to quantum fluctation, the particle will come back together in microsecond to reform the photons) but such interact is so rare it is only seen when intensity or energies off the photons are at level that cannot be produce in any lab at this time.

Even the magnetic fields of Pulsars are not strong enought and only the photon product by Blastar ( Hi energy quasar) have been observed interacting with photons from the big bang...

As for the bullet, a bullet needs not penetrate an object to cause damage. Any one shot while wearing a bullet proof can tell you about the bruises, broken bones and even death can occur due to impact.

A bullet entering a magnetic field, act on the magnet not the ship, the magnet would need to be braced, also the bullet entering the field creates eddy currents, that can inturn demagnetize the magnetic, in electro magnetic it creates a back currents that will heat the wiring and can short out the system.

The threat of this happening has cause NASA to design massive energy sinks in their own magnetic protection projects
to soak up the electrical current when their own magnetic field using superconductor collasp.

A Mere Hi energy proton is enought to cause such a collasp, as well as a speck of iron meteor.

The newest hope is to use Plasma bubbles instead, but they would not be able to stop any kind of micrometeor.


;) ?;

I'm Done!

I am sure someelse will love to debate with you?

:eyesroll:

If you want to quit, that fine with me...  ;)  

Hope you learn something useful..  :laugh:

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Report this May. 22 2007, 10:00 pm

Quote (lanceromega @ May 22 2007, 8:49 pm)
If you want to quit, that fine with me... ¿;) ¿

Hope you learn something useful.. ¿:laugh:

Why do you waste space by quoting every time you reply!?

And I am NOT quiting! I never quit anything I start!

I am just chosing to ignor an idiot that is wasting my time with nonsence and fliff fluff, that all!

I did learn something, that debating with minwits is a waste of time!

Sigh.........
:eyesroll:

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Report this May. 22 2007, 11:20 pm

Quote (international_space_agency @ May 23 2007, 8:00 am)
Quote (lanceromega @ May 22 2007, 8:49 pm)
If you want to quit, that fine with me... ?;) ?

Hope you learn something useful.. ?:laugh:

Why do you waste space by quoting every time you reply!?

And I am NOT quiting! I never quit anything I start!

I am just chosing to ignor an idiot that is wasting my time with nonsence and fliff fluff, that all!

I did learn something, that debating with minwits is a waste of time!

Sigh.........
:eyesroll:

ISA THAT DON'T KNOW HOW TO QUIT TO STOP ANSWERING, I KENNY KNOW THAT REAL WELL AFTER BEING HERE FOR 2 YRS.

i AM ON YOUR SIDE ISA.

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Report this May. 23 2007, 9:04 am

Quote (kenny6 @ May 22 2007, 12:20 am)
Quote (international_space_agency @ May 23 2007, 8:00 am)
Quote (lanceromega @ May 22 2007, 8:49 pm)
If you want to quit, that fine with me... ?;) ?

Hope you learn something useful.. ?:laugh:

Why do you waste space by quoting every time you reply!?

And I am NOT quiting! I never quit anything I start!

I am just chosing to ignor an idiot that is wasting my time with nonsence and fliff fluff, that all!

I did learn something, that debating with minwits is a waste of time!

Sigh.........
:eyesroll:

ISA THAT DON'T KNOW HOW TO QUIT TO STOP ANSWERING, I KENNY KNOW THAT REAL WELL AFTER BEING HERE FOR 2 YRS.

i AM ON YOUR SIDE ISA.

huh? okay whatever that means.. :cool:

I been here as long as you kenny, and i donot know why internation is getting so hot under the collar, i justing point out the errors in his ideas.

1. Force field are pure sci fi, magnetic fields don't work because it only block magnetic material or electrical charge object. A meteor made of just silicon base material would slip right thru. Or the fact that laws of physics still show that the ship will experience the force that of impact due to newtons 1st and

2. Magnetic fields will not block pure electromagnetic radiation on their own, unless combine with plasma. And then ¿

Gravity trend to attract not repel. Now if you can generate a warp bubble like in Alcubierre warp, will create a region of space in front of the ship that would rip an object apart thru tidal forces. Problem is the ship need to armor to block out the flow of mesons and other subatomic particle created by the destroy object.

the other forces known to physics wouldn't be helpful either..

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Report this May. 23 2007, 11:56 am

Quote (international_space_agency @ May 23 2007, 3:00 am)
I am just chosing to ignor an idiot that is wasting my time with nonsence and fliff fluff, that all!

:eyesroll:

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Report this May. 23 2007, 11:58 am

Quote (international_space_agency @ May 21 2007, 11:00 pm)
Quote (lanceromega @ May 22 2007, 8:49 pm)
If you want to quit, that fine with me... ?;) ?

Hope you learn something useful.. ?:laugh:

Why do you waste space by quoting every time you reply!?

And I am NOT quiting! I never quit anything I start!

I am just chosing to ignor an idiot that is wasting my time with nonsence and fliff fluff, that all!

I did learn something, that debating with minwits is a waste of time!

Sigh.........
:eyesroll:

Why not?

Minwits?

Whatever :eyesroll:

Salter1701

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Report this May. 23 2007, 12:00 pm

fliff fluff and minwits.  They're new words to me.

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Report this May. 23 2007, 12:21 pm

Quote (Salter1701 @ May 22 2007, 1:00 pm)
fliff fluff and minwits. ¿They're new words to me.

Fluff, i have seen before, but fliff and minwits are new to me..

I just hate when we sink to name calling of any kind. These discussion should be a way of exchanging ideas not insults..pity  :cry:

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Report this May. 23 2007, 12:30 pm

Very true

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Report this May. 23 2007, 8:25 pm

Quote (lanceromega @ May 23 2007, 12:21 pm)
Quote (Salter1701 @ May 22 2007, 1:00 pm)
fliff fluff and minwits. ?They're new words to me.

Fluff, i have seen before, but fliff and minwits are new to me..

I just hate when we sink to name calling of any kind. These discussion should be a way of exchanging ideas not insults..pity ¿:cry:

Very True!

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