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CaptainJBridges

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Report this Mar. 01 2007, 4:05 pm

Ok, now I HAVE to say this, for one I can't stand it, and for two it pisses me off. This is about people who refuse to follow Starfleet canon in an RPG.

Traditioanly it has been a Captain who commands a vessel, hense the reason people call the CO Captain despite rank. Its been that way sense the times of the first ocean bearing ships and crew, and always will be. In Starfleet's case there is a time in which a Commander can command, whilst usually temporary or in a precussor to being promoted several months later. Next, Commodores have been known to command, again even rarer. Rear Admirals not a chance, Vice Admirals...forget it. Admiral and Fleet Admiral. Hell they don't belong on a starship in command in the first place! In fact Fleet Admiral is a rank only given to individuals who are needed to command all of the fleet during war time. Or at least that is the way Today's Navy does it. Any other time it should be Admiral as the highest rank.

Also, a starbase, it is ok for a Commodore, Rear Admiral, Captain, in some cases Commander, and Vice Admiral to command a Starbase. It is NOT ok for a FLeet Admiral to command a starbase or an Admiral either. I repeat that in plain english, if you are a Fleet Admiral or Admiral, your belongs on Earth. Another thing this setting people's rank to Lt. Commander and Commander is a bunch of bulls Might as well say forget promotion, we need to quite allowing members to have instant gratification in rankings and let them EARN them. Most people have lost sight of that. I admit I am a Fleet Admiral in UFP BUT im not in command of any vessels or bases. I leave that for others. All I do is issue fleet movement orders. Besides a Vice Admiral shouldn't be in command of a base unless that base is of really great importance to the Federation. I think its time that some groups on here grow up. I speak as a member of these forums and as a Trek fan when I say quit mudslinging. Quite putting other RPGs down. This isn't Star Wars its Star Trek! That means Gene Roddenberry would be ashamed at how you guys treat each other, grow some and learn to simm the way it should be. There is already enough problems in the world without having you all contribute more. I can not believe the nerve of people, I mean I look on a ship's roster and I see Fleet Admiral....Commander.....WTF! you might as damn well promote him to Admiral, or Vice Admiral. IF you want a CO character and a Fleet Admiral than create two different ones. Now, I can understand A Commodore or Rear Admiral taking command of a ship for a battle mission or something but to maintain it your no better than those old in Washington who trys to make a career out of Congress. Im sorry if I offended anyone.........wait no im not cause its the truth and someone had to say it. Sense no one else has the guts to than I d.a.m.n sure will! GROW UP! get a life and start running your simms in a realistic manner of posting in fun and not some d.a.m.n power hungry people who want to be on top of everyone. Leave FL ADM, V ADM, ADM, and REAR ADM. Off of starships those are for Commodores, Captains, and Commanders!



starfleetcommand42651

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Report this Mar. 01 2007, 4:10 pm

Amen. A JFC in Discovery Fleet absolutely HATES Admirals commanding ships, so instead of being promoted to Vice Admiral on my sim and having a Commander as my XO, I was FORCED to create another character for the Admiral position. Good Idea, wonder why no one thought of it before! :eyesroll:

CaptainJBridges

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Report this Mar. 01 2007, 4:36 pm

Exactly at least you make sense of it all. Don't see why anyone else doesn't

Allgoodthingsjeanluc2

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Report this Mar. 01 2007, 4:45 pm

Well stated, I must say!!!
It is human nature, that people want their cake and eat it too... however one still has to play by the rules or it isn't fair play.
You are right in what you say, and glad you said it.
Those who take offense are the guilty parties...

Trek RPGs should be an example of intelligent play and fairness, after all that is what it is all about...I for one understand what you say and wish more people would read this post and adhere to it as well! :logical:

starfleetcommand42651

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Report this Mar. 01 2007, 4:47 pm

Never seen that side of the Captain, have you Counselor? :laugh:

CaptainJBridges

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Report this Mar. 01 2007, 4:49 pm

Wait till the :bored:  comes out of me........than I'll tear everything down. Mr. Worf will look like a puppy compared to what I am capible of.

Allgoodthingsjeanluc2

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Report this Mar. 01 2007, 4:50 pm

Quote (starfleetcommand42651 @ Feb. 28 2007, 5:47 pm)
Never seen that side of the Captain, have you Counselor? :laugh:

I suspected this was bubbling underneath
and I AM GLAD IT IS!!!!! :cool:  :logical:

Allgoodthingsjeanluc2

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Report this Mar. 01 2007, 4:51 pm

Quote (CaptainJBridges @ Feb. 28 2007, 5:49 pm)
Wait till the :bored: ¿comes out of me........than I'll tear everything down. Mr. Worf will look like a puppy compared to what I am capible of.

You don't happen to be a certain betazoid who kills people if they look at him the wrong way...um er...
agtjl runs out of room to get Tuvok... :laugh:

CaptainJBridges

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Report this Mar. 01 2007, 5:07 pm

haha "I am Locutus of Borg.....resistance....is....fultile.........O s.h.i.t sry Rick wrong line this is Mr Data's time to say Resistance is Futile" :bored: :laugh:

TamOtlan

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Report this Mar. 02 2007, 7:06 am

Seriously, if you don't like what someone does on their site, don't go there. Simple as that.

Having a meltdown about it just makes you look petulant, and hardly keeping in the spirit of what Gene Roddenberry was about.

I'm not a big fan of what I see on many sites, but that's why I don't participate in them. If they want their site run by 'Grand Emperor of the Federation Monster Truck League, Jean-Luc Kirk' that's their choice.

starfleetcommand42651

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Report this Mar. 02 2007, 11:59 am

Quote (TamOtlan @ Mar. 02 2007, 7:06 am)
Seriously, if you don't like what someone does on their site, don't go there. Simple as that.

Having a meltdown about it just makes you look petulant, and hardly keeping in the spirit of what Gene Roddenberry was about.

I'm not a big fan of what I see on many sites, but that's why I don't participate in them. If they want their site run by 'Grand Emperor of the Federation Monster Truck League, Jean-Luc Kirk' that's their choice.

It's almost impossible to find a sim that has a Captain or lower rank these days. That's his point.

TamOtlan

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Report this Mar. 02 2007, 12:39 pm

Quote (starfleetcommand42651 @ Mar. 02 2007, 8:59 am)
Quote (TamOtlan @ Mar. 02 2007, 7:06 am)
Seriously, if you don't like what someone does on their site, don't go there. Simple as that.

Having a meltdown about it just makes you look petulant, and hardly keeping in the spirit of what Gene Roddenberry was about.

I'm not a big fan of what I see on many sites, but that's why I don't participate in them. If they want their site run by 'Grand Emperor of the Federation Monster Truck League, Jean-Luc Kirk' that's their choice.

It's almost impossible to find a sim that has a Captain or lower rank these days. That's his point.

And my point is, who cares? Create what you like and let other people sink or swim on their own. I helped run the largest Star Trek play-by-forum RPG on the net for 6 years and I saw a lot of sites come and go for a myriad of reasons.

As long as they weren't deliberately stealing from us, I could care less what they do/did. Rank is relatively meaningless once you hold the position of CO, but it can denote many things like seniority, or command of a group/fleet/squadron (which is real-world naval accurate).

As for what's 'canon', Star Trek has never been able to keep itself canon in the shows and movies, let alone what people creating games under its general idea will do.

I find a lot more to nitpick about when it comes to spelling, grammar and the god-awful super ships everyone seems to love creating, but again, it's worthy of laughter, not anger.

This_Is_Not_A_Test

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Report this Mar. 02 2007, 1:23 pm

1. I could probably take you a lot more seriously if you'd bother to use a spell checker and had a decent grasp of sentence contruction. This rant is a mess.

2. I'm with Tam. IT'S A GAME. If you don't like it, don't play it!

Captain_Windu

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Report this Mar. 02 2007, 1:42 pm

I think it's pretty foolish to start cursing and acting like a child over something that isn't even real.

EndeavourCaptain4790

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Report this Mar. 02 2007, 10:19 pm

What about an Admiral captaining a starbase normally and a ship when is necessary?

Also I just call a 1st Rank Admiral a Commodore even though they're still just an admiral

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