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brian45

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Report this Feb. 11 2007, 11:20 am

my name is brian45 and im a great fan of enterprise and im also a car machanic ,,so on the subject of engines,,machines ,,as long as ive been a fan of enterprise im confused as to how they get the starship to move?and what in enterprise terms keeps the shuttle pods off the ground and flying?how do they  work?the enterprise and the shuttle pods?
this has been puzzling me for a very long time now.[I][/I] :)

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Report this Feb. 11 2007, 11:50 am

Ok Brian, here goes.

Shuttlecraft.

They use a form a magnetic repulsion technology to push against gravity allowing them to 'float' as it were. To move they use thrusters located around the vehicle to propel it, in a similar way to how the Space Shuttle moves in space etc.

Enterprise and Other Starships

A power source, be it the Warp Core or Fusion reactors form, as a result of the reaction, a form of high energy plasma which is chanelled into the large warp engines that the ship has.

These warp engines, housed in nacelles, are basically two long rows of what's called coils, these coils react with the plasma and can be controlled via the ships computer to push against the fabric of the universe, this is normally referred to as 'subspace'. It is this subspace field distortion which propels the ship as faster than light speeds.

When the ship is going slower than light, like when orbiting a planet, it used whats called an Impulse engine, this is, in the early days anyway, a very advanced, high powered, form of a conventional rocket thruster. In 'The Next Generation' era they use a more advanced version, but basically its the same thing.

It's a little deeper than that though those are the basics, hope it helps.

;)

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Report this Feb. 13 2007, 12:10 pm

Brian, Im going to give you the real explanation of how they move, not going to refute the above answer, but go more in depth:

Starship, Warp Cores: When the warp drive is activated, a controlled amount of anti-matter, and matter are injected into the warp core (that big stack in Engineering) these two things annhiliate each other, causing massive amounts of energy! The plasma in the warp core simply controls the explosion depending on how fast they would like to go, i.e. warp 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and so on.  The fastest any ship has gone was U.S.S Voyager, going Warp 9.975.  Warp 10 is not achieveable unless you have a Transwarp Drive, but we'll delve into that a little later.  Now the nacelles, those things coming off the back, form what we call a "Warp Field" This, like my buddy said above, pushes space out of the way, in a manner of speaking, allowing the ship to go further than it would normally by basically lowering the distance between the two points.

His anaylsis on impulse was exactly right, so i wont delve into that.

Now transwarp is just like regular warp drive, but instead of moving into normal space, a sub space corridor is opened, allowing the ship to go into subspace (subspace is under normal space, with no debris, barriers, ect, to stop the ship.  Everyone can send messages via subspace, to up the time that it will get to its destination) the only species to use transwarp are the Borg, however, the federation experimented with it.  To date, however, the federation have been unsuccessful with it.

If there is anything else you need to know, just ask!

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Report this Feb. 13 2007, 1:57 pm

Quote (shaffnut @ Feb. 13 2007, 12:10 pm)
Brian, Im going to give you the real explanation of how they move, not going to refute the above answer, but go more in depth:

Starship, Warp Cores: When the warp drive is activated, a controlled amount of anti-matter, and matter are injected into the warp core (that big stack in Engineering) these two things annhiliate each other, causing massive amounts of energy! The plasma in the warp core simply controls the explosion depending on how fast they would like to go, i.e. warp 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and so on. ¿The fastest any ship has gone was U.S.S Voyager, going Warp 9.975. ¿Warp 10 is not achieveable unless you have a Transwarp Drive, but we'll delve into that a little later. ¿Now the nacelles, those things coming off the back, form what we call a "Warp Field" This, like my buddy said above, pushes space out of the way, in a manner of speaking, allowing the ship to go further than it would normally by basically lowering the distance between the two points.

His anaylsis on impulse was exactly right, so i wont delve into that.

Now transwarp is just like regular warp drive, but instead of moving into normal space, a sub space corridor is opened, allowing the ship to go into subspace (subspace is under normal space, with no debris, barriers, ect, to stop the ship. ¿Everyone can send messages via subspace, to up the time that it will get to its destination) the only species to use transwarp are the Borg, however, the federation experimented with it. ¿To date, however, the federation have been unsuccessful with it.

If there is anything else you need to know, just ask!

Shaffnut.

The amount of power directed to the warp nacelles is proportional to the amount of matter and anti-matter fed into the warp core chamber, it is these amounts which control how much power is fed to the warp coils not the resulting plasma which is just a result of the reaction and reacts with the warp coils in the nacelles forming a subspace field.

Warp 10 is also an infinite speed, infinite as in not-obtainable, and to obtain it would mean you would be everywhere at once. Transwarp is basically just a function of the speed of light, albeit a damn fast one. Even 'Q' can't do warp 10, just something like warp 9.99999999997.

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Report this Feb. 13 2007, 2:31 pm

You forgot the dilithium crystals!!! The matter anit-matter reaction takes place within the Dilithium Matrix. The Dilithium Matrix allows the energy from the annihilated quanta to be routed away quickly enough so that a cataclysmic explosion does not occur... That's really, really, really important :P

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Report this Feb. 13 2007, 9:48 pm

Quote (Tannagra @ Feb. 13 2007, 1:57 pm)
Quote (shaffnut @ Feb. 13 2007, 12:10 pm)
Brian, Im going to give you the real explanation of how they move, not going to refute the above answer, but go more in depth:

Starship, Warp Cores: When the warp drive is activated, a controlled amount of anti-matter, and matter are injected into the warp core (that big stack in Engineering) these two things annhiliate each other, causing massive amounts of energy! The plasma in the warp core simply controls the explosion depending on how fast they would like to go, i.e. warp 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and so on. ?The fastest any ship has gone was U.S.S Voyager, going Warp 9.975. ?Warp 10 is not achieveable unless you have a Transwarp Drive, but we'll delve into that a little later. ?Now the nacelles, those things coming off the back, form what we call a "Warp Field" This, like my buddy said above, pushes space out of the way, in a manner of speaking, allowing the ship to go further than it would normally by basically lowering the distance between the two points.

His anaylsis on impulse was exactly right, so i wont delve into that.

Now transwarp is just like regular warp drive, but instead of moving into normal space, a sub space corridor is opened, allowing the ship to go into subspace (subspace is under normal space, with no debris, barriers, ect, to stop the ship. ?Everyone can send messages via subspace, to up the time that it will get to its destination) the only species to use transwarp are the Borg, however, the federation experimented with it. ?To date, however, the federation have been unsuccessful with it.

If there is anything else you need to know, just ask!

Shaffnut.

The amount of power directed to the warp nacelles is proportional to the amount of matter and anti-matter fed into the warp core chamber, it is these amounts which control how much power is fed to the warp coils not the resulting plasma which is just a result of the reaction and reacts with the warp coils in the nacelles forming a subspace field.

Warp 10 is also an infinite speed, infinite as in not-obtainable, and to obtain it would mean you would be everywhere at once. Transwarp is basically just a function of the speed of light, albeit a damn fast one. Even 'Q' can't do warp 10, just something like warp 9.99999999997.

Didn't the Enterprise do warp 13 after the Kelvens modfied the ship for intergalatic traval?

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Report this Feb. 13 2007, 10:04 pm

Quote (doginstine @ Feb. 13 2007, 9:48 pm)
Quote (Tannagra @ Feb. 13 2007, 1:57 pm)
Quote (shaffnut @ Feb. 13 2007, 12:10 pm)
Brian, Im going to give you the real explanation of how they move, not going to refute the above answer, but go more in depth:

Starship, Warp Cores: When the warp drive is activated, a controlled amount of anti-matter, and matter are injected into the warp core (that big stack in Engineering) these two things annhiliate each other, causing massive amounts of energy! The plasma in the warp core simply controls the explosion depending on how fast they would like to go, i.e. warp 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and so on. ?The fastest any ship has gone was U.S.S Voyager, going Warp 9.975. ?Warp 10 is not achieveable unless you have a Transwarp Drive, but we'll delve into that a little later. ?Now the nacelles, those things coming off the back, form what we call a "Warp Field" This, like my buddy said above, pushes space out of the way, in a manner of speaking, allowing the ship to go further than it would normally by basically lowering the distance between the two points.

His anaylsis on impulse was exactly right, so i wont delve into that.

Now transwarp is just like regular warp drive, but instead of moving into normal space, a sub space corridor is opened, allowing the ship to go into subspace (subspace is under normal space, with no debris, barriers, ect, to stop the ship. ?Everyone can send messages via subspace, to up the time that it will get to its destination) the only species to use transwarp are the Borg, however, the federation experimented with it. ?To date, however, the federation have been unsuccessful with it.

If there is anything else you need to know, just ask!

Shaffnut.

The amount of power directed to the warp nacelles is proportional to the amount of matter and anti-matter fed into the warp core chamber, it is these amounts which control how much power is fed to the warp coils not the resulting plasma which is just a result of the reaction and reacts with the warp coils in the nacelles forming a subspace field.

Warp 10 is also an infinite speed, infinite as in not-obtainable, and to obtain it would mean you would be everywhere at once. Transwarp is basically just a function of the speed of light, albeit a damn fast one. Even 'Q' can't do warp 10, just something like warp 9.99999999997.

Didn't the Enterprise do warp 13 after the Kelvens modfied the ship for intergalatic traval?

That was old scale, with udated Warp coils, they re-calculated the Warp Factors

What use to be Warp 8 (Kirk's Enterprise normal max) is now like Warp 6.5 and the old Warp 14 (Fastest Kirk's ship ever went) is now (Picard/Sisko/Janeway era) something like Warp 9.92

The Wiki site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warp_drive has charts showing the two different warp factor conversions

NEW Warp 10 is INFINITE speed; OLD Warp 10 is only 1000 * light

Rhyshadow

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Report this Feb. 14 2007, 4:35 pm

Quote (shaffnut @ Feb. 13 2007, 9:10 am)
Now transwarp is just like regular warp drive, but instead of moving into normal space, a sub space corridor is opened, allowing the ship to go into subspace (subspace is under normal space, with no debris, barriers, ect, to stop the ship.  Everyone can send messages via subspace, to up the time that it will get to its destination) the only species to use transwarp are the Borg, however, the federation experimented with it.  To date, however, the federation have been unsuccessful with it.

there are different kinds of transwarp drives/locomotion.

1) Transwarp Conduits - Used by the Borg
2) Underspace aka Subspace Corridors - Used by the Vaadwaur
3) Coaxial Warp Drive - Folds space
4) Quantum Slipstream Drive - Similar to Borg transwarp conduits, used by Species 116
5) Subspace Catapult - Launches a ship into null space
6) Transwarp Engines - Used by the Voth and experimented with by the Federation (Excelsior and TNG:"All Good Things...")

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Report this Feb. 19 2007, 6:53 pm

nobody mentioned when the "Traveler" phased in/out supposively their speed went off the scale, and they entered a region, where space, time, and thought, were all linked.

supposivly, when you warp space, your not really going any faster, but you bend, or fold space, like a piece of paper, where opposate ends of the paper are close together, and then you just simply jump accross the narrow region inbetween.

Here's a pretty cool article on a Warp Drive

interesting article about space time

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Report this Feb. 20 2007, 12:27 pm

Quote (Scarz @ Feb. 19 2007, 3:53 pm)
nobody mentioned when the "Traveler" phased in/out supposively their speed went off the scale, and they entered a region, where space, time, and thought, were all linked.

That appeared to be something similar the transwarp engines used by the Voth. Just a beefed up version of a normal warp drive with an enhanced warp field geometry.

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supposivly, when you warp space, your not really going any faster, but you bend, or fold space, like a piece of paper, where opposate ends of the paper are close together, and then you just simply jump accross the narrow region inbetween.

this is how a coaxial warp drive works. This isn't exactly how the Alcubierre warp works, since the ship doesn't actually move through space (not even the contracted part).

MikeHancho

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Report this Feb. 22 2007, 11:52 am

Quote (doginstine @ Feb. 13 2007, 9:48 pm)
Quote (Tannagra @ Feb. 13 2007, 1:57 pm)
Quote (shaffnut @ Feb. 13 2007, 12:10 pm)
Brian, Im going to give you the real explanation of how they move, not going to refute the above answer, but go more in depth:

Starship, Warp Cores: When the warp drive is activated, a controlled amount of anti-matter, and matter are injected into the warp core (that big stack in Engineering) these two things annhiliate each other, causing massive amounts of energy! The plasma in the warp core simply controls the explosion depending on how fast they would like to go, i.e. warp 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and so on. ?The fastest any ship has gone was U.S.S Voyager, going Warp 9.975. ?Warp 10 is not achieveable unless you have a Transwarp Drive, but we'll delve into that a little later. ?Now the nacelles, those things coming off the back, form what we call a "Warp Field" This, like my buddy said above, pushes space out of the way, in a manner of speaking, allowing the ship to go further than it would normally by basically lowering the distance between the two points.

His anaylsis on impulse was exactly right, so i wont delve into that.

Now transwarp is just like regular warp drive, but instead of moving into normal space, a sub space corridor is opened, allowing the ship to go into subspace (subspace is under normal space, with no debris, barriers, ect, to stop the ship. ?Everyone can send messages via subspace, to up the time that it will get to its destination) the only species to use transwarp are the Borg, however, the federation experimented with it. ?To date, however, the federation have been unsuccessful with it.

If there is anything else you need to know, just ask!

Shaffnut.

The amount of power directed to the warp nacelles is proportional to the amount of matter and anti-matter fed into the warp core chamber, it is these amounts which control how much power is fed to the warp coils not the resulting plasma which is just a result of the reaction and reacts with the warp coils in the nacelles forming a subspace field.

Warp 10 is also an infinite speed, infinite as in not-obtainable, and to obtain it would mean you would be everywhere at once. Transwarp is basically just a function of the speed of light, albeit a damn fast one. Even 'Q' can't do warp 10, just something like warp 9.99999999997.

Didn't the Enterprise do warp 13 after the Kelvens modfied the ship for intergalatic traval?

if your referring to "All good things..." either one of two things occured in that timeline. 1. q's version of the future, albeit, was semi-accurate, was slightly off, because in NO timeline is warp 13 achieveable. or 2. the warp factors were recalibrated, for example, warp 10 became warp 20, so warp 13 is just like going warp 6 for example, which is normal cruising speed for a ship of that size(nine is its maximum velocity)

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Report this Feb. 22 2007, 2:21 pm

Quote (shaffnut @ Feb. 22 2007, 8:52 am)
Quote (doginstine @ Feb. 13 2007, 9:48 pm)
Quote (Tannagra @ Feb. 13 2007, 1:57 pm)
Quote (shaffnut @ Feb. 13 2007, 12:10 pm)
Brian, Im going to give you the real explanation of how they move, not going to refute the above answer, but go more in depth:

Starship, Warp Cores: When the warp drive is activated, a controlled amount of anti-matter, and matter are injected into the warp core (that big stack in Engineering) these two things annhiliate each other, causing massive amounts of energy! The plasma in the warp core simply controls the explosion depending on how fast they would like to go, i.e. warp 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and so on. ?The fastest any ship has gone was U.S.S Voyager, going Warp 9.975. ?Warp 10 is not achieveable unless you have a Transwarp Drive, but we'll delve into that a little later. ?Now the nacelles, those things coming off the back, form what we call a "Warp Field" This, like my buddy said above, pushes space out of the way, in a manner of speaking, allowing the ship to go further than it would normally by basically lowering the distance between the two points.

His anaylsis on impulse was exactly right, so i wont delve into that.

Now transwarp is just like regular warp drive, but instead of moving into normal space, a sub space corridor is opened, allowing the ship to go into subspace (subspace is under normal space, with no debris, barriers, ect, to stop the ship. ?Everyone can send messages via subspace, to up the time that it will get to its destination) the only species to use transwarp are the Borg, however, the federation experimented with it. ?To date, however, the federation have been unsuccessful with it.

If there is anything else you need to know, just ask!

Shaffnut.

The amount of power directed to the warp nacelles is proportional to the amount of matter and anti-matter fed into the warp core chamber, it is these amounts which control how much power is fed to the warp coils not the resulting plasma which is just a result of the reaction and reacts with the warp coils in the nacelles forming a subspace field.

Warp 10 is also an infinite speed, infinite as in not-obtainable, and to obtain it would mean you would be everywhere at once. Transwarp is basically just a function of the speed of light, albeit a damn fast one. Even 'Q' can't do warp 10, just something like warp 9.99999999997.

Didn't the Enterprise do warp 13 after the Kelvens modfied the ship for intergalatic traval?

if your referring to "All good things..." either one of two things occured in that timeline. 1. q's version of the future, albeit, was semi-accurate, was slightly off, because in NO timeline is warp 13 achieveable. or 2. the warp factors were recalibrated, for example, warp 10 became warp 20, so warp 13 is just like going warp 6 for example, which is normal cruising speed for a ship of that size(nine is its maximum velocity)

or they were using a transwarp drive like starfleet had already experimented with.

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Report this Feb. 22 2007, 4:49 pm

Quote (shaffnut @ Feb. 22 2007, 11:52 am)
Quote (doginstine @ Feb. 13 2007, 9:48 pm)

Didn't the Enterprise do warp 13 after the Kelvens modfied the ship for intergalatic traval?

if your referring to "All good things..." either one of two things occured in that timeline. 1. q's version of the future, albeit, was semi-accurate, was slightly off, because in NO timeline is warp 13 achieveable. or 2. the warp factors were recalibrated, for example, warp 10 became warp 20, so warp 13 is just like going warp 6 for example, which is normal cruising speed for a ship of that size(nine is its maximum velocity)

Actually, he was refering to the TOS episode "By Any Other Name"

That was Kirk's ship, normally maxed out at Warp 8 (old scale) but the Kelvan's from the Andromeda Galaxy did some mods that allowed the Enterprise to hit Warp 13 for extended time periods.

Re: Warp 10=infinite speed my earlier post up a little from here

Rhyshadow

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Report this Feb. 24 2007, 2:30 pm

Quote (Rhyshadow @ Feb. 22 2007, 1:49 pm)
Quote (shaffnut @ Feb. 22 2007, 11:52 am)
Quote (doginstine @ Feb. 13 2007, 9:48 pm)

Didn't the Enterprise do warp 13 after the Kelvens modfied the ship for intergalatic traval?

if your referring to "All good things..." either one of two things occured in that timeline. 1. q's version of the future, albeit, was semi-accurate, was slightly off, because in NO timeline is warp 13 achieveable. or 2. the warp factors were recalibrated, for example, warp 10 became warp 20, so warp 13 is just like going warp 6 for example, which is normal cruising speed for a ship of that size(nine is its maximum velocity)

Actually, he was refering to the TOS episode "By Any Other Name"

That was Kirk's ship, normally maxed out at Warp 8 (old scale) but the Kelvan's from the Andromeda Galaxy did some mods that allowed the Enterprise to hit Warp 13 for extended time periods.

Re: Warp 10=infinite speed my earlier post up a little from here

Rhyshadow

they redid the warp scale between TOS and TNG to make it more realistic. while 10 is infinite on the TNG scale, ships can still go higher than warp 10 but still be less than infinite velocity.

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Report this Feb. 24 2007, 3:28 pm

this has been one of the most interesting intellectual conversations I have ever read on these boards. I thank the mechanic for the question because it finally sparked some interesting talk.
I would like to comment:
1 I think the varience in maximum velocity is also inter-related to the subspace dampening field and the ships integrity factors.
2 Let us not forget that the sound barrier was an impossible barrier and ships/planes began to shake apart - and thank God Chuck Yeager said, "then shake her apart, dammit!"...oh, that was Sulu - but we figured it out
3 FTL is a misnomer...we won't, by the Laws of Physics go 'Faster Than Light', indeed we will warp space (subspace) and therefore be able to outdistance light...not go faster just take a shortcut!
4 Impulse engines are fusion reactors that use ion propulsion to reach near the speed of light or the "warp threshold"
It is imperative at that time for the Warp Field coils to generate a stable warp field or bubble around the ship which stabilizes everything while in the subspace
Thrusters are simple small vent ports for directional control from the fusion reactor or Impulse Engine
5 Warp...I hate parties where the guys hang out and talk about cars. Screw horsepower - GIVE ME THRUST!!!! Rocketry to Warp...awe Gene, couldn't you have made it all a little closer to our lifetime then maybe science would have worked harder?
LOGL,
Pastor Allan Howes :rookie:

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