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Whitestar7

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Report this Oct. 11 2006, 1:05 pm

Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

As I understand it, you can only time travel into the past right up until the creation of the wormhole, correct?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

Yes, same with the Blackhole method, but FTL travel and other methods would give you unlimited access to the past.


1) So, let's say you wanted to time travel back in time to the Jurassic Era, where is its frame of reference?

Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

If you time traveled back into the past by going through a cosmic string, will you only travel up until the point to the creation of the cosmic string was created, much akin to the wormhole?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

okay...


Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

Based on this information, do you think Galactica's FTL method is similar to wormholes and cosmic strings?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

Yes seem so..


Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

In your professional opinion, do you think Galactica's FTL method avoids time traveling into the past?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

no time travel is a natural byproduct of FTL, some modes of FTL travel avoid this, but any potential FTL can be turn into a time machine with a little work.


You mentioned that the past can be changed or altered at the quantum scale. Since we do not live in the quantum world, that does not apply to us.

2) If we were to achieve FTL travel, what do you think would happen to you, that is, your "present" self if you time travel back in time to prevent your parents from meeting, thus, preventing your birth from happening?

lanceromega

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Report this Oct. 11 2006, 1:28 pm

Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 2:05 pm)
Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

As I understand it, you can only time travel into the past right up until the creation of the wormhole, correct?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

Yes, same with the Blackhole method, but FTL travel and other methods would give you unlimited access to the past.


1) So, let's say you wanted to time travel back in time to the Jurassic Era, where is its frame of reference?

Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

If you time traveled back into the past by going through a cosmic string, will you only travel up until the point to the creation of the cosmic string was created, much akin to the wormhole?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

okay...


Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

Based on this information, do you think Galactica's FTL method is similar to wormholes and cosmic strings?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

Yes seem so..


Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

In your professional opinion, do you think Galactica's FTL method avoids time traveling into the past?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

no time travel is a natural byproduct of FTL, some modes of FTL travel avoid this, but any potential FTL can be turn into a time machine with a little work.


You mentioned that the past can be changed or altered at the quantum scale. Since we do not live in the quantum world, that does not apply to us.

2) If we were to achieve FTL travel, what do you think would happen to you, that is, your "present" self if you time travel back in time to prevent your parents from meeting, thus, preventing your birth from happening?

1. well you could find an anicent spinning blackhole like the one at the center of our galaxy.. best time machine around, it alot older than 200 million year old.

As per a quantum scale, time must be the same for quantum objects as for macro ones, time and space is the background for all actions and interaction. there cannot be one special standard for an electron and one for a collection of billions of electrons.

This is one of the reason we have such a difficult time uniting QM with General relativity. While Special relativity require the effort of Dirac to unite it with QM, General relativity and QM seem not to be compartible.

As it stand this stumbling block that physics has been running into for the 80 years. One we do find the solution and come up with a theory of Quantum Gravity we see that time is the same in the QM world as it is for you and me. Quantum particle just have an easier time when it come to time travel but nothing other than our own viewpoint ( and the energies involve ) show limit us..

Whitestar7

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Report this Oct. 11 2006, 1:46 pm

Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 11 2006, 1:28 pm)
Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 2:05 pm)
Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

As I understand it, you can only time travel into the past right up until the creation of the wormhole, correct?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

Yes, same with the Blackhole method, but FTL travel and other methods would give you unlimited access to the past.


1) So, let's say you wanted to time travel back in time to the Jurassic Era, where is its frame of reference?

Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

If you time traveled back into the past by going through a cosmic string, will you only travel up until the point to the creation of the cosmic string was created, much akin to the wormhole?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

okay...


Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

Based on this information, do you think Galactica's FTL method is similar to wormholes and cosmic strings?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

Yes seem so..


Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

In your professional opinion, do you think Galactica's FTL method avoids time traveling into the past?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

no time travel is a natural byproduct of FTL, some modes of FTL travel avoid this, but any potential FTL can be turn into a time machine with a little work.


You mentioned that the past can be changed or altered at the quantum scale. Since we do not live in the quantum world, that does not apply to us.

2) If we were to achieve FTL travel, what do you think would happen to you, that is, your "present" self if you time travel back in time to prevent your parents from meeting, thus, preventing your birth from happening?

1. well you could find an anicent spinning blackhole like the one at the center of our galaxy.. best time machine around, it alot older than 200 million year old.

As per a quantum scale, time must be the same for quantum objects as for macro ones, time and space is the background for all actions and interaction. there cannot be one special standard for an electron and one for a collection of billions of electrons.

This is one of the reason we have such a difficult time uniting QM with General relativity. While Special relativity require the effort of Dirac to unite it with QM, General relativity and QM seem not to be compartible.

As it stand this stumbling block that physics has been running into for the 80 years. One we do find the solution and come up with a theory of Quantum Gravity we see that time is the same in the QM world as it is for you and me. Quantum particle just have an easier time when it come to time travel but nothing other than our own viewpoint ( and the energies involve ) show limit us..

If we were to achieve FTL travel, what do you think would happen to you, that is, your "present" self if you time travel back in time to prevent your parents from meeting, thus, preventing your birth from happening?

lanceromega

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Report this Oct. 11 2006, 1:55 pm

Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 2:46 pm)
Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 11 2006, 1:28 pm)
Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 2:05 pm)
Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

As I understand it, you can only time travel into the past right up until the creation of the wormhole, correct?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

Yes, same with the Blackhole method, but FTL travel and other methods would give you unlimited access to the past.


1) So, let's say you wanted to time travel back in time to the Jurassic Era, where is its frame of reference?

Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

If you time traveled back into the past by going through a cosmic string, will you only travel up until the point to the creation of the cosmic string was created, much akin to the wormhole?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

okay...


Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

Based on this information, do you think Galactica's FTL method is similar to wormholes and cosmic strings?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

Yes seem so..


Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

In your professional opinion, do you think Galactica's FTL method avoids time traveling into the past?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

no time travel is a natural byproduct of FTL, some modes of FTL travel avoid this, but any potential FTL can be turn into a time machine with a little work.


You mentioned that the past can be changed or altered at the quantum scale. Since we do not live in the quantum world, that does not apply to us.

2) If we were to achieve FTL travel, what do you think would happen to you, that is, your "present" self if you time travel back in time to prevent your parents from meeting, thus, preventing your birth from happening?

1. well you could find an anicent spinning blackhole like the one at the center of our galaxy.. best time machine around, it alot older than 200 million year old.

As per a quantum scale, time must be the same for quantum objects as for macro ones, time and space is the background for all actions and interaction. there cannot be one special standard for an electron and one for a collection of billions of electrons.

This is one of the reason we have such a difficult time uniting QM with General relativity. While Special relativity require the effort of Dirac to unite it with QM, General relativity and QM seem not to be compartible.

As it stand this stumbling block that physics has been running into for the 80 years. One we do find the solution and come up with a theory of Quantum Gravity we see that time is the same in the QM world as it is for you and me. Quantum particle just have an easier time when it come to time travel but nothing other than our own viewpoint ( and the energies involve ) show limit us..

If we were to achieve FTL travel, what do you think would happen to you, that is, your "present" self if you time travel back in time to prevent your parents from meeting, thus, preventing your birth from happening?

i would go poof... :laugh:

Whitestar7

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Report this Oct. 11 2006, 2:01 pm

Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 11 2006, 1:55 pm)
Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 2:46 pm)
Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 11 2006, 1:28 pm)
Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 2:05 pm)
Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

As I understand it, you can only time travel into the past right up until the creation of the wormhole, correct?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

Yes, same with the Blackhole method, but FTL travel and other methods would give you unlimited access to the past.


1) So, let's say you wanted to time travel back in time to the Jurassic Era, where is its frame of reference?

Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

If you time traveled back into the past by going through a cosmic string, will you only travel up until the point to the creation of the cosmic string was created, much akin to the wormhole?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

okay...


Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

Based on this information, do you think Galactica's FTL method is similar to wormholes and cosmic strings?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

Yes seem so..


Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

In your professional opinion, do you think Galactica's FTL method avoids time traveling into the past?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

no time travel is a natural byproduct of FTL, some modes of FTL travel avoid this, but any potential FTL can be turn into a time machine with a little work.


You mentioned that the past can be changed or altered at the quantum scale. Since we do not live in the quantum world, that does not apply to us.

2) If we were to achieve FTL travel, what do you think would happen to you, that is, your "present" self if you time travel back in time to prevent your parents from meeting, thus, preventing your birth from happening?

1. well you could find an anicent spinning blackhole like the one at the center of our galaxy.. best time machine around, it alot older than 200 million year old.

As per a quantum scale, time must be the same for quantum objects as for macro ones, time and space is the background for all actions and interaction. there cannot be one special standard for an electron and one for a collection of billions of electrons.

This is one of the reason we have such a difficult time uniting QM with General relativity. While Special relativity require the effort of Dirac to unite it with QM, General relativity and QM seem not to be compartible.

As it stand this stumbling block that physics has been running into for the 80 years. One we do find the solution and come up with a theory of Quantum Gravity we see that time is the same in the QM world as it is for you and me. Quantum particle just have an easier time when it come to time travel but nothing other than our own viewpoint ( and the energies involve ) show limit us..

If we were to achieve FTL travel, what do you think would happen to you, that is, your "present" self if you time travel back in time to prevent your parents from meeting, thus, preventing your birth from happening?

i would go poof... :laugh:

1) Do you seriously believe that?

I though you said that your atoms would continue to exist, not go poof.

2) Doesn't that violate the laws of energy conservation?

Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

In your professional opinion, do you think Galactica's FTL method avoids time traveling into the past?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

no time travel is a natural byproduct of FTL, some modes of FTL travel avoid this, but any potential FTL can be turn into a time machine with a little work.


You mentioned that the past can be changed or altered at the quantum scale. Since we do not live in the quantum world, that does not apply to us.

I think I may have found a way around the paradox problem of time traveling into the past, that does not involve any parallel universes, but if I'm way off don't hesitate to tell me. Okay, let's say you time travel back into your past to prevent your parents from meeting. Your "past" self ceases to exist and becomes something else, while your "present" self remains unchanged or uncompromised.

3) What do you think?

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Report this Oct. 11 2006, 2:52 pm

Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 3:01 pm)
Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 11 2006, 1:55 pm)
Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 2:46 pm)
Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 11 2006, 1:28 pm)
Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 2:05 pm)
Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

As I understand it, you can only time travel into the past right up until the creation of the wormhole, correct?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

Yes, same with the Blackhole method, but FTL travel and other methods would give you unlimited access to the past.


1) So, let's say you wanted to time travel back in time to the Jurassic Era, where is its frame of reference?

Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

If you time traveled back into the past by going through a cosmic string, will you only travel up until the point to the creation of the cosmic string was created, much akin to the wormhole?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

okay...


Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

Based on this information, do you think Galactica's FTL method is similar to wormholes and cosmic strings?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

Yes seem so..


Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

In your professional opinion, do you think Galactica's FTL method avoids time traveling into the past?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

no time travel is a natural byproduct of FTL, some modes of FTL travel avoid this, but any potential FTL can be turn into a time machine with a little work.


You mentioned that the past can be changed or altered at the quantum scale. Since we do not live in the quantum world, that does not apply to us.

2) If we were to achieve FTL travel, what do you think would happen to you, that is, your "present" self if you time travel back in time to prevent your parents from meeting, thus, preventing your birth from happening?

1. well you could find an anicent spinning blackhole like the one at the center of our galaxy.. best time machine around, it alot older than 200 million year old.

As per a quantum scale, time must be the same for quantum objects as for macro ones, time and space is the background for all actions and interaction. there cannot be one special standard for an electron and one for a collection of billions of electrons.

This is one of the reason we have such a difficult time uniting QM with General relativity. While Special relativity require the effort of Dirac to unite it with QM, General relativity and QM seem not to be compartible.

As it stand this stumbling block that physics has been running into for the 80 years. One we do find the solution and come up with a theory of Quantum Gravity we see that time is the same in the QM world as it is for you and me. Quantum particle just have an easier time when it come to time travel but nothing other than our own viewpoint ( and the energies involve ) show limit us..

If we were to achieve FTL travel, what do you think would happen to you, that is, your "present" self if you time travel back in time to prevent your parents from meeting, thus, preventing your birth from happening?

i would go poof... :laugh:

1) Do you seriously believe that?

I though you said that your atoms would continue to exist, not go poof.

2) Doesn't that violate the laws of energy conservation?

Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

In your professional opinion, do you think Galactica's FTL method avoids time traveling into the past?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

no time travel is a natural byproduct of FTL, some modes of FTL travel avoid this, but any potential FTL can be turn into a time machine with a little work.


You mentioned that the past can be changed or altered at the quantum scale. Since we do not live in the quantum world, that does not apply to us.

I think I may have found a way around the paradox problem of time traveling into the past, that does not involve any parallel universes, but if I'm way off don't hesitate to tell me. Okay, let's say you time travel back into your past to prevent your parents from meeting. Your "past" self ceases to exist and becomes something else, while your "present" self remains unchanged or uncompromised.

3) What do you think?

1. My atoms wouldn't but i would cease to exist..

2. No violation of energy, negative energy that require to communicate with the past negate any positive energy changes.

3. could work.

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Report this Oct. 19 2006, 9:15 pm

Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 11 2006, 1:46 pm)
Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 11 2006, 1:28 pm)
Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 2:05 pm)
Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

As I understand it, you can only time travel into the past right up until the creation of the wormhole, correct?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

Yes, same with the Blackhole method, but FTL travel and other methods would give you unlimited access to the past.


1) So, let's say you wanted to time travel back in time to the Jurassic Era, where is its frame of reference?

Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

If you time traveled back into the past by going through a cosmic string, will you only travel up until the point to the creation of the cosmic string was created, much akin to the wormhole?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

okay...


Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

Based on this information, do you think Galactica's FTL method is similar to wormholes and cosmic strings?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

Yes seem so..


Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

In your professional opinion, do you think Galactica's FTL method avoids time traveling into the past?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

no time travel is a natural byproduct of FTL, some modes of FTL travel avoid this, but any potential FTL can be turn into a time machine with a little work.


You mentioned that the past can be changed or altered at the quantum scale. Since we do not live in the quantum world, that does not apply to us.

2) If we were to achieve FTL travel, what do you think would happen to you, that is, your "present" self if you time travel back in time to prevent your parents from meeting, thus, preventing your birth from happening?

1. well you could find an anicent spinning blackhole like the one at the center of our galaxy.. best time machine around, it alot older than 200 million year old.

As per a quantum scale, time must be the same for quantum objects as for macro ones, time and space is the background for all actions and interaction. there cannot be one special standard for an electron and one for a collection of billions of electrons.

This is one of the reason we have such a difficult time uniting QM with General relativity. While Special relativity require the effort of Dirac to unite it with QM, General relativity and QM seem not to be compartible.

As it stand this stumbling block that physics has been running into for the 80 years. One we do find the solution and come up with a theory of Quantum Gravity we see that time is the same in the QM world as it is for you and me. Quantum particle just have an easier time when it come to time travel but nothing other than our own viewpoint ( and the energies involve ) show limit us..

If we were to achieve FTL travel, what do you think would happen to you, that is, your "present" self if you time travel back in time to prevent your parents from meeting, thus, preventing your birth from happening?

you would continue as befor, by going back in time you take yourself out of time and so would be unafected, if you then return to your own time, nobody would know you as you don't "exist" in the new time stream, but you still continue to exist

Whitestar7

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Report this Oct. 23 2006, 8:19 am

Quote (mardok @ Oct. 19 2006, 9:15 pm)
Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 11 2006, 1:46 pm)
Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 11 2006, 1:28 pm)
Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 2:05 pm)
Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

As I understand it, you can only time travel into the past right up until the creation of the wormhole, correct?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

Yes, same with the Blackhole method, but FTL travel and other methods would give you unlimited access to the past.


1) So, let's say you wanted to time travel back in time to the Jurassic Era, where is its frame of reference?

Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

If you time traveled back into the past by going through a cosmic string, will you only travel up until the point to the creation of the cosmic string was created, much akin to the wormhole?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

okay...


Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

Based on this information, do you think Galactica's FTL method is similar to wormholes and cosmic strings?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

Yes seem so..


Quote (Whitestar7 @ Oct. 10 2006, 11:55 am)

In your professional opinion, do you think Galactica's FTL method avoids time traveling into the past?


Quote (lanceromega @ Oct. 09 2006, 10:14 pm)

no time travel is a natural byproduct of FTL, some modes of FTL travel avoid this, but any potential FTL can be turn into a time machine with a little work.


You mentioned that the past can be changed or altered at the quantum scale. Since we do not live in the quantum world, that does not apply to us.

2) If we were to achieve FTL travel, what do you think would happen to you, that is, your "present" self if you time travel back in time to prevent your parents from meeting, thus, preventing your birth from happening?

1. well you could find an anicent spinning blackhole like the one at the center of our galaxy.. best time machine around, it alot older than 200 million year old.

As per a quantum scale, time must be the same for quantum objects as for macro ones, time and space is the background for all actions and interaction. there cannot be one special standard for an electron and one for a collection of billions of electrons.

This is one of the reason we have such a difficult time uniting QM with General relativity. While Special relativity require the effort of Dirac to unite it with QM, General relativity and QM seem not to be compartible.

As it stand this stumbling block that physics has been running into for the 80 years. One we do find the solution and come up with a theory of Quantum Gravity we see that time is the same in the QM world as it is for you and me. Quantum particle just have an easier time when it come to time travel but nothing other than our own viewpoint ( and the energies involve ) show limit us..

If we were to achieve FTL travel, what do you think would happen to you, that is, your "present" self if you time travel back in time to prevent your parents from meeting, thus, preventing your birth from happening?

you would continue as befor, by going back in time you take yourself out of time and so would be unafected, if you then return to your own time, nobody would know you as you don't "exist" in the new time stream, but you still continue to exist

Yes, that does make sense in a weird sort of way. It would certainly give field trips a whole meaning!  :D

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