Star Trek Apparently, no player controlled Galaxy ships :\

Apparently, no player controlled Galaxy ships :\

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Report this Sep. 20 2006, 11:46 am

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Daron: That is, well we do have capital ships that players can control only when they get into a crew, so solo players generally will not go out in capital ships; theyÂ¿ll generally need a minimum of two for smaller ships and a larger crew for larger ships. To take out something the size of the Galaxy? Well, IÂ¿m pretty sure the Galaxy is not something youÂ¿ll be able to take out or anything of that size, at launch anyway. I wouldnÂ¿t be surprised if we donÂ¿t offer that opportunity post-launch though.

Well getting mixed messages here, we will be able to get capital ships with a crew, won't get the Galaxy class which is a capital ship because it will serve as a hub ship. I'm not sure what else besides a Gal and Sov would be considered a capital ship, Akira's? Everything else is mid to small sized ships.

Going to be some disappointed people when they find out you can't use the Galaxy class, and maybe the Sovereign too.

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Report this Sep. 20 2006, 3:19 pm

It is a little disturbing. It's like in SWG when there orginally weren't speederbikes or mounts and everybody had to walk everywhere. Now, I know you don't need a Galaxy or Sovereign-class starship to get around, but there are somethings you need to have in a Star Trek game that players can use. And if their idea of having player controled ships used for larger groups are flying an Akira around, there might be a problem.

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Report this Sep. 20 2006, 5:34 pm

while we wil not see PC capital ships like the Galaxy or Sovereign at launch, you can look to see those ships avaliable for players to control after the release of some expansions. maybe not the first expansion, but maybe after the second or third if all goes well with STO in subscription sales. just my opinion.

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Report this Sep. 20 2006, 7:32 pm

I have no problem with only having the smaller to mid sizes ships at launch, I can see PE wants to make sure the system is working 1st, before they release the larger ships for public use.

That being said, I still believe Guilds should be the only groups that can get the larger ships, it takes a lot of people to run it on the shows, so it should be the same way in the game.

Smaller groups of friends say 5 to 10 should get the smaller to mid-sizes ships, like a Defiant Class or a Nova class.

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Report this Sep. 21 2006, 8:13 pm

I agree with you sircidric but I would rather have i intripid or neb then a nova or defiant, btw will they put nebula class in sto any onw know?

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Report this Sep. 22 2006, 1:23 am

I think its a total let down to not have a player control a captial ship. So lets make a star wars game where you will never ever become a jedi ok I wonder how well those games have done? lol

One of the all time biggest icons of recent star trek is the Galaxy Class ship! Its a symbol of Federation and exploration. I think thats a big aspect of the "fun" factor that PE seems to hold so dear that they are purposefully throwing away.

I also agree that I dont want everyone to have one it should only be a high rank item. Make it something that a player would want to work towards, being the captain of a galaxy class!

oh wait nope you will never get the chance I hope you look forward to that great huge majestic overpowering icon of star trek.........the Akira class wooo hooo can you hear my excitment?

Skrasis

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Report this Sep. 22 2006, 7:15 am

personally i dont think the galaxy class should be available as a player controlled ship. I personally think yes to sovereign but no to galaxy.

The galaxy class ship is being toted as a HUB environment where new people can meet up and form groups and serve on an existing ship.

A galaxy class ship if in the hands of players if there were loads available which ship would you end up serving on either way perpetual know what they are doing. And in the end i hope they go with their gut feeling instead of what the geeks want.

Geeks ruin a lot of things on the internet.

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Report this Sep. 22 2006, 11:05 am

Quote (skrasis2 @ Sep. 22 2006, 1:23 am)

I think its a total let down to not have a player control a captial ship. Â¿So lets make a star wars game where you will never ever become a jedi ok I wonder how well those games have done? lol

*sigh* Actually, SWG was doing fine UNTIL they broke the canon n let just about every 12 year old become a jedi.

Furthermore, if they give into people like you and let just about every player own a sovereign then the game will die within a year, imagine a planet with a flock of sovereigns dueling in orbit........

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Report this Sep. 22 2006, 11:10 am

Guys please remember they didn't say we can't have a capital ship to control, just that the larger ones will not be open for PCs in the begining.

You can still own the smaller and Mid-size ones, and that is still a lot of ship Geeez.

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Report this Sep. 22 2006, 12:43 pm

Question is, what else is considered a capital ship? I'm all for limiting the amount of gals and sovs that fly around, I think it's a good thing if they are kept as rare a sight as they are in the star trek universe, there weren't too many built. I've said it before, I'm all for making the galaxy and sovereign classes hard to obtain, and limited.

But to say they will be completely off limits for pc use I think will be disappointing to some fans that grew up watching TNG. Maybe they will only restrict the gals and sovs will be available, but who knows right now. Hopefully PE doesn't create some new capital class ships and make them off limits for pc use either. Overall it doesn't bother me much, since I wanted to serve on an Akira anyways

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Report this Sep. 22 2006, 4:35 pm

Just for reference, have a look at the following site:

http://www.trekships.org/asdbchart-top.jpg

Just from this scale size of ships, I would say we are pretty safe with getting ones we like, outside of the main two from the movies and TNG.

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Report this Sep. 22 2006, 10:38 pm

Actually, Daku, If I remember correctly SWG you could obtain a force sensitive character slot which allowed you to pursuse the Jedi path, some people got the slots then actually completed the quests to become jedi, this is before the huge revamp.

So at the outset SWG there was a possibility that you could at one point become a jedi and not everyone was one. For STO no one can get a capital ship, period. To me that sucks. In SWG at least at first, there was a possibility that you could get a jedi slot.

They can make ways so that every uber player doesn't get a galaxy class. Make it so they must have a certain number of real players on board to crew the ship so it essentialy becomes one of these "hub ships"

And I cant imagine that everyone is just fine with a little akira class to putt around in.

Weee look at me goo in this sweet akira class.......oh crap a borg cube well, I wish I had a galaxy class to take this thing on. Better call in some NPCs with their very own capital ship....joy

Skrasis :logical:

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Report this Sep. 22 2006, 11:23 pm

Quote (skrasis2 @ Sep. 22 2006, 10:38 pm)

Actually, Daku, If I remember correctly SWG you could obtain a force sensitive character slot which allowed you to pursuse the Jedi path, some people got the slots then actually completed the quests to become jedi, this is before the huge revamp. Â¿

So at the outset SWG there was a possibility that you could at one point become a jedi and not everyone was one. Â¿For STO no one can get a capital ship, period. To me that sucks. Â¿In SWG at least at first, there was a possibility that you could get a jedi slot.

They can make ways so that every uber player doesn't get a galaxy class. Â¿Make it so they must have a certain number of real players on board to crew the ship so it essentialy becomes one of these "hub ships"

And I cant imagine that everyone is just fine with a little akira class to putt around in. Â¿

Weee look at me goo in this sweet akira class.......oh crap a borg cube well, I wish I had a galaxy class to take this thing on. Â¿Better call in some NPCs with their very own capital ship....joy

Skrasis Â¿ :logical:

Yeah but it most probably will be possible to get a capital ship later on, PE are probably just doing this to make sure that when they do make it possible, only the committed (or at least the non-leet kiddies) players will be in a position to get them, after all, the capitals ships will be quite rarish, thus hard to get, we're talking endgame stuff. Then again, as people have said before they're probably either lazy or wanna see how smoothly the game runs before introducing capitals :bugout:

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Report this Sep. 23 2006, 9:08 am

Ok maybe I am missing something here, but as far as I can tell, every ship that is larger than a shuttle is a Capital ship is it not?

So what is the really issue then?

Is it that we can not get the Galaxy Class?

I mean common people get a grip, if PE says we have to wait a bit after launch to get the large Caps, then what is the problem. It's not like we will be handed one right out of the box to begin with. I will be happy if they give us a Titan Class or even the Ambassitor Class. BTW the Akira Class isn't a small ship you know.

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Report this Sep. 23 2006, 2:39 pm

My understanding of a capital ship is that they are usually the largest most powerfull ships in the fleet. Usually lead a task force of smaller to mid sized ships. In Star Trek VI the Excelsior was probably considered the new Capital Ship of that era retireing the Consitution class. When TNG aired the Galaxy was new big ship on the block.

The defiant for instance I would not consider it a capital ship. It has powerfull weapons but probably could not support it self on very long term scientific missions and if you wanted to show the romulans some muscle on the border you probably would not send one defiant class but a Soverign has some meaning.

I know the akira is not a small ship indeed it is formidable in a lot of situations just that the galaxy and soverign are such icons of star trek that to not even be able to captain or even be a bridge crew on one is disappointing. From the interview it did not seem to me that they were just going to allow it later in an expansion or something. Daron seemed pretty consistant that there would be no PC galaxy soverign or capital ships.

Skrasis :logical: